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How the TPP Will Affect You and Your Digital Rights (2015)

299 点作者 stakent超过 9 年前

14 条评论

macawfish超过 9 年前
Reading these things makes me angry. There are people in the world who uphold economic wealth and ownership over life itself. Money is supposed to serve life, not the other way around. Ownership at its best is a way to uphold responsibility and caretaking. It shouldn&#x27;t be a way of domineering or exploiting peoples&#x27; very culture and spirituality.<p>Who gets to play the song? Who gets to retell the story? Only those sanctioned by those with money, the owners. This is wrong. Creation and recreation are a forms of communion, not some contrived, egoistic world domination ritual.<p>Excuse my colorful language, this is a religious issue to me.
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wyldfire超过 9 年前
&gt; &quot;If you stream some copyrighted gameplay ...&quot;<p>I guess it&#x27;s not the first I&#x27;ve heard of it but doesn&#x27;t it seem odd for the gameplay itself to be copyrighted&#x2F;copyrightable by the game&#x27;s creator? Doesn&#x27;t it seem just ludicrous if we were to try to do the same for board games or sports?
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kobayashi超过 9 年前
Paging &#x2F;u&#x2F;tptacek: looking for HN&#x27;s contrarian position
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dniebiebbdi超过 9 年前
Wide scale civil disobedience is the only solution to unjust laws passed by a corrupt and illegitimate sovereign.
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thejaredhooper超过 9 年前
Is this sensationalized? A single bullet-point makes me nervous. All of those together makes me feel smothered...
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qznc超过 9 年前
Will TTIP contain the same stuff? I would assume, because the same corporations lobby it.
CM30超过 9 年前
Personally, I&#x27;m also disturbed how little this bill and its implications are being discussed in the media. I mean, you&#x27;ve got a &#x27;trade agreement&#x27; with a ton of worrying details and implications, yet newspapers, TV news shows, many popular websites, etc seem to have gone suspiciously quiet about it.
gremlinsinc超过 9 年前
Anyone think EFF will endorse Bernie? They align on a lot of the same things, and he&#x27;d repeal TPP given the chance.
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walterbell超过 9 年前
The TPP was signed yesterday by 12 countries, beginning a 2-year period for ratification and changing of national laws to enact new penalties, <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;motherboard.vice.com&#x2F;read&#x2F;the-internet-transforming-environment-destroying-tpp-has-been-signed" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;motherboard.vice.com&#x2F;read&#x2F;the-internet-transforming-e...</a> &amp; <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.michaelgeist.ca&#x2F;2016&#x2F;02&#x2F;the-trouble-with-the-tpp-day-23-on-signing-day-what-comes-next&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.michaelgeist.ca&#x2F;2016&#x2F;02&#x2F;the-trouble-with-the-tpp-...</a><p>From <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.freezenet.ca&#x2F;tpp-signed-off-marking-the-beginning-of-the-final-fight&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.freezenet.ca&#x2F;tpp-signed-off-marking-the-beginning...</a>, <i>&quot;... the trade deal would force countries to ratify many other copyright treaties including various WIPO (World Intellectual Property Organization) treaties, kill Internet privacy for domain name registrants, create a so-called “TPP Commission”, extend the length of copyright, add criminal liability to the circumvention of a DRM, effectively institute statutory damages for non-commercial infringement, mandate government spying on the Internet for the purpose of tracking copyright infringement, possibly add unlimited damages for copyright infringement, allow “destruction” orders of any product circumvents copy protection, allows authority to enforce copyright laws even when infringement hasn’t taken place (ala “imminent” infringement), seize personal devices at the border for the purpose of enforcing copyright law (and destroys your property and forces you to pay if a border guard believes you have copyright infringing content on your personal devices), institute traffic shaping and site blocking for the purpose of allegedly enforcing copyright, implement a notice-and-takedown regime, force ISPs to install backdoors for others to enforce copyright law, and force ISPs to hand over customer’s personal information without court oversight or compensation to the ISP. So, in short, the TPP is a major crackdown on civil rights on the Internet.&quot;</i><p>TPP excludes devices (e.g. phones) in checked baggage from border inspections for copyright infringement, but the UN is considering a ban of battery-operated devices from checked baggage, <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theguardian.com&#x2F;world&#x2F;2016&#x2F;jan&#x2F;28&#x2F;un-panel-backs-banning-lithium-ion-battery-shipments-on-passenger-planes" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theguardian.com&#x2F;world&#x2F;2016&#x2F;jan&#x2F;28&#x2F;un-panel-backs-...</a>, <i>&quot;A UN panel has recommended banning cargo shipments of rechargeable lithium batteries from passenger airliners because they can create fires capable of destroying planes, according to aviation officials familiar with the decision.&quot;</i>
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arca_vorago超过 9 年前
There is something bigger at play here that even the EFF isn&#x27;t touching on. (nor do I expect them to, I like how they stick to the technical facts.)<p>The reduction if not straight out elimination of national sovereignty is a prereq for global governance under the collectivist model. Fast track, TTIP, TISA, TTP, and other more subtle treaties that have been falsely labelled as &quot;trade agreements&quot; are how they supranational oligarchy can chip away at sovereignty, because the same people and groups have already corrupted the system from the inside out so pervasively that they now have the ability to get this done, and here is the key, done <i>despite whatever backlash the public is going to release!</i>. This was actually the purpose of fast-track, as the precursor legislation that would enable them to run TTIP&#x2F;TTP up America&#x27;s ass before they could stop it. (by pretending something is a trade agreement instead of a treaty and with fast track now the required two-thirds majority in the senate becomes just a simple majority requirement, among other things.)<p>Although I may be one of the hn resident conspiracy theorists, even this threw me for a loop because I was expecting a currency upset first, but apparently the way to undermine a nation is by corruption of it&#x27;s government and business first and then death by a thousand cuts (read: laws), because afterwards the currency upset can be much more controlled.<p>For me, an American who has sworn an oath to &quot;support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic...&quot;, I think that the country has forgotten the basic reasons for the American Revolution in the first place, and the principles upon which our country and it&#x27;s constitution was founded, the Declaration of Independence, and the Declaration’s basis, Natural Law, but I digress.<p>The point to me is that we have allowed our supposed &quot;allies&quot; to send us on wild hunts for foreign enemies, while in reality the larger enemies are domestic, and they wear suits and ties and are in DC and on Wallstreet. All the branches of government are corrupted <i>from the top down</i> (including the fourth estate of journalism), and all the middle men are in one of three modes. 1) I&#x27;m gonna get mine and fuck you. 2) If I say anything I lose my job or worse, much worse. 3) Who cares, everything is fine, let&#x27;s put our head in the sand.<p>There has been much debate about whether it is Eric Blair&#x27;s 1984 or Aldous Huxley&#x27;s Brave New World. I say it&#x27;s being setup so that it&#x27;s a brave new world, until you resist, then it&#x27;s 1984 and a boot on your face. I ought to know, I was the man with the boots in Iraq.<p>Throw in another recession or two and a depression, world resource wars, and technological revolution on an earth with an unsustainable population level, and what we have here is a recipe for disaster.<p>It&#x27;s ok though, I&#x27;m sure I&#x27;m just paranoid. (like I was about NSA before anyone started listening about that too.)
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macawfish超过 9 年前
Meanwhile: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=11037232" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=11037232</a>
multinglets超过 9 年前
~ThAnKs ObAmA~<p>~&#x2F;sArCaSm~
chatmasta超过 9 年前
Getting upset about the TPP is a waste of time. The provisions of the TPP are a red herring. We should be much more concerned with what is <i>not</i> present in the TPP. It only has 12 signatories!!! There are 160+ &quot;countries&quot; in the world. How much could an agreement between 12 of them really increase &quot;free trade?&quot; There are notable absences (CHINA) that make the treaty effectively meaningless. If 30% of the world is not covered by it, then who cares what it says.<p>The people getting screwed by this treaty are not the spoiled first world EFF supporters, but the people who assemble all our gadgets and gizmos. If you want an agreement that actually benefits humankind, it better include some protections for the outsourced labor that first world nations continue to exploit.<p>Regarding the fearmongering bulletpoints in the EFF article... Let&#x27;s be honest. Any mildly technical person knows that these kind of legal measures are technically impossible to enforce. If you want to bend or break the rules, you can find a way, and you can avoid detection. &quot;The Internet routes around censorship&quot; as John Gilmore says. He&#x27;s also an EFF founder so I&#x27;m not sure why EFF is fearmongering so much when they should know these measures are meaningless until they&#x27;re enforced, which will require implementing impossible, nonexistent technical solutions.<p>If you don&#x27;t like the rules, route around them. Or just leave the country trying to enforce them on you. There are 150 other countries you can go to if you don&#x27;t like these rules.<p>Honestly the concern over this treaty is so overblown that it almost seems insensitive to the people in the world who are actually suffering from global commerce. The real victims are the millions of people starving, working 12 hour days as children, losing their families to warmongering nation states, and running along a hopeless treadmill of despair.<p>If you&#x27;re going to get upset over what amounts to a relatively small set of unimplemented, highly unenforceable rules affecting your &quot;digital rights,&quot; then you should at least devote 1% of your complaints to acknowledging the plights of the people who are actually suffering in the world.
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Rumudiez超过 9 年前
Maybe off topic, but I <i></i>always<i></i> read this as Twitch Plays Pokemon first before realizing what it&#x27;s actually talking about.