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SoundCloud could be forced to close after $44m losses

620 点作者 neokya超过 9 年前

72 条评论

cmyr超过 9 年前
Soundcloud is absolutely ubiquitous in the electronic music community. I was talking about this with a friend recently who is a programmer and a (relatively) well known composer, and she made the point that soundcloud actually represents a very important cultural document; there is tons of music that has been created in the past 5+ years that exists exclusively there, and it would be a tremendous cultural loss if it were to disappear. This is something I haven't heard a great deal about, and it's something that concerns me about other media platforms like Medium.
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strgrd超过 9 年前
I&#x27;ve been a daily soundcloud user for almost 6 years. At some point they gave up on trying to change or improve the user experience. Soundcloud has done nothing to facilitate the growth of users who focus on reposting&#x2F;finding&#x2F;sharing&#x2F;curating content, vs. content creators who upload their own music. There is no way to gain a following or reputation as someone who reposts content on soundcloud -- and even if you have that following, there&#x27;s no way to communicate to your audience.<p>In three years, it seems they&#x27;ve just made the UI elements bigger, and added background images for songs and profiles. I was really hoping to see the ability to post text messages into people&#x27;s timelines. Something to communicate to your followers.
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rgbrenner超过 9 年前
Article is bs.<p>they lost 44m in _2014_. Raised 77m last year. They may need to raise more in 2016.<p>Nothing else. No other facts. No info on their balance sheet, etc. Doesn&#x27;t even know if they&#x27;re growing, what their revenue or losses for 2015 were.<p>And based on that, Fact thinks that&#x27;s enough to say they &quot;may be forced to close&quot;.
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petercooper超过 9 年前
I hope this is just an alarmist headline. SoundCloud is pretty essential in its space, it&#x27;s one of the few services that lets you natively get audio on to Twitter, the main place musicians share snapshots of their work and remixes, and a key part of numerous podcasts and ways to embed easily shared audio on the Web. This is one startup I absolutely don&#x27;t want to see go down the pan.
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downandout超过 9 年前
Am I missing something? This report is from 2014. Despite the fact that &quot;<i>SoundCloud was heavily reliant on further capital investment to continue operating in 2015.</i>&quot;....it did indeed raise money, made it through 2015, and is still operating in 2016.<p>It seems that this &quot;report&quot; is coming out now because stories about startup implosions get more clicks these days. It shouldn&#x27;t surprise anyone that they are and have been losing money. That&#x27;s why these companies raise such large rounds.
djt超过 9 年前
All my production buddies hate it. They pay full price, your the world and yet Soundcloud take down the tracks that they OWN. With no recourse or apology. Their system has been broken for 5 years at least for the power users in the community.
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pavlov超过 9 年前
They raised $77M USD last year. The auditor&#x27;s statement is just standard boilerplate for a company that&#x27;s losing money.<p>Given the involvement of big investors, it seems extremely unlikely that SoundCloud would shut down rather than raise another round or get acquired.
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mtalantikite超过 9 年前
Not being able to save tracks for offline use on mobile has been bothering me for a while. Maybe I&#x27;m an edge case, but I do a lot of listening while commuting, which means no Internet on the subway here in NYC. That means SoundCloud isn&#x27;t even an option for me unless I&#x27;m at my desk.<p>Also, I can&#x27;t save a collection of favorite tracks in any meaningful way. I can favorite them, but they quickly get lost in the mobile UI if I do too much of that. I end up relying on global search every time I want to revisit a song or artist.<p>Overall it seems like UX hasn&#x27;t been a top priority for them.
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anotheryou超过 9 年前
What do 200 people do in such a company? (serious question, I just wonder how the workforce is usually distributed for a single online product of that size)
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crabasa超过 9 年前
Obligatory link to HN story from 16 days ago about SoundCloud being worth more than Spotify:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=10965558" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=10965558</a>
prateekdayal超过 9 年前
Having run a music site for 7 years or so I am not surprised. We started before Soundcloud and created a very engaged community for musicians that many paid for.<p>However I never understood how Soundcloud could justify raising so much money given the revenue potential (from producers) in the space. By the way, the site I ran was <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.muziboo.com" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.muziboo.com</a>
adinew超过 9 年前
Considering techcrunch article was published less than a month ago it is safe to ignore the article.<p><a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;techcrunch.com&#x2F;2016&#x2F;01&#x2F;24&#x2F;why-soundcloud-will-be-worth-more-than-spotify&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;techcrunch.com&#x2F;2016&#x2F;01&#x2F;24&#x2F;why-soundcloud-will-be-wort...</a>
Mizza超过 9 年前
&quot;Forced to close&quot; is a really, really big stretch here.<p>They have a huge community, play an important role in online music, and have a seemingly excellent engineering team. I&#x27;m sure they would be acquired by a major media player long before they ever closed, but I don&#x27;t see that happening any time more. I bet they&#x27;ll just double-down and raise more money while trying to develop more subscription revenue offerings to music consumers.
jfoster超过 9 年前
Is this article based on anything substantial?<p>They lost $44m in 2014 but raised $77m in 2015.<p>The article refers to a report saying SoundCloud is heavily reliant on “further capital investment” to continue operating. Isn&#x27;t that just another way of saying they&#x27;re currently not turning a profit? Wouldn&#x27;t that have been true of YouTube prior to acquisition?<p>I&#x27;m not familiar with FACT. Looks like it may be a legitimate music industry publication. Looking at the other SoundCloud articles, it seems about 50% of them are in some way negative. That suggests to me that they might have an agenda they&#x27;re pushing.<p><a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.factmag.com&#x2F;tag&#x2F;soundcloud&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.factmag.com&#x2F;tag&#x2F;soundcloud&#x2F;</a>
Theodores超过 9 年前
Soundcloud has not done &#x27;peak mySpace&#x27; yet:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.google.com&#x2F;trends&#x2F;explore#q=soundcloud&amp;geo=US" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.google.com&#x2F;trends&#x2F;explore#q=soundcloud&amp;geo=US</a><p>All seems on the up in terms of interest from people using the search engine. Very enviable curve.
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_ak超过 9 年前
&gt; While SoundCloud brought in €17.35m ($15.37m) in 2014, it lost a total of €39.14m ($44.19m). Employee wages during that period also increased 42.5% to €17.9m, meaning that the average wage per employee for that year totalled €79,980.<p>Wow, that is ridiculously high, especially so for Berlin.
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mful超过 9 年前
I use Soundcloud for hours every day, and would GLADLY pay a Spotify type premium for it. As others have noted, it has an incredible amount of music that exists nowhere else (including a lot of non-EDM), but it is a great listening platform for many other reasons. The biggest, for me, is that SoundCloud has far and away the best discovery mechanisms. The &#x27;play related tracks&#x27; feature is the most effective radio I&#x27;ve found (better than Pandora, light years better than Spotify) and my feed is always full of new songs that I enjoy.<p>But SoundCloud has one big problem holding it back, in my opinion:<p>Getting a great SoundCloud experience requires a lot of upfront work. To have a good feed, you need to find and follow a bunch of artists and&#x2F;or &#x27;like&#x27; a bunch of tracks (from when I first started: the default feed, or low-data feed, gets stale quickly, and had many songs that did not align with my preferences). This sounds simple, but it&#x27;s not, as SoundCloud is designed for discovery rather than building&#x2F;organizing your music library. For example, there is no library-like simple list view, and you can&#x27;t filter&#x2F;sort your &#x27;likes&#x27; as you can in Spotify&#x2F;iTunes. Also, the radio-like features are not immediately apparent, making it hard to bootstrap your SoundCloud preferences by passively listening&#x2F;liking tracks as you go.<p>Looking to the alluded future monetization: The ads are infrequent, and not at all annoying. Unless they ramp up the ads, it will not be a big incentive to pay for premium.<p>There is really nothing like SoundCloud if you like EDM or EDM-influenced indie music (think Miike Snow).
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bborud超过 9 年前
They lost me as a paying customer when they decided to allow Universal Music Group to remove content directly. Overnight I just stopped caring about Soundcloud. They might have done more such things to piss off users since then, but I wouldn&#x27;t know. I, at least, decided it would not be worth investing my time in the site after that.<p>Apart from that; yeah, it is the Flickr of music -- promising at first, but then a whole lot of non-evolution of the site.
Zigurd超过 9 年前
This is a badly written article. Impossible to tell if the headline is accurate or if the writer made an alarmist guess.
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krisdol超过 9 年前
I thought it was supposed to be worth more than Spotify a few weeks ago? [1]<p>1: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=10965558" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=10965558</a>
shams93超过 9 年前
This is why archive.org with your own netlabel is a better choice, theyre not for profit so the bar is lower fir their survival. The more we donate to them the better they get too!
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greggman超过 9 年前
Soundcloud seems like the only service that allows other sites to use the music data. By that I mean the ability to use actually use the track&#x27;s sample data for creative coding audio reactive projects like <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;vertexshaderart.com" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;vertexshaderart.com</a><p>On the negative side, as others have pointed out, they haven&#x27;t done much to make the site better for various definitions of better. I&#x27;ve found searching fairly lacking. I&#x27;d love something that tried to find tracks I&#x27;d like (is that something deep learning could figure out?).<p>Also when searching for music I type in some keyword and then start listening to tracks. The browser gets more and more bogged down the more tracks I listen to. Something about their design is adding more parallel work with each new track clicked on. Maybe that&#x27;s a browser bug? Eventually I have to refresh the page and then scroll back down to the last track I played and continue the process of listening to tracks.
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asabjorn超过 9 年前
As a music consumer I personally want to pay for soundcloud instead of getting ads, which could bring more revenue than ads and be more flexible in prizing, but when I asked soundcloud support for the option they said they had no immediate plans for one. In the end money is king and I don&#x27;t understand why they haven&#x27;t explored more revenue options.<p>Edit: typo
Futurebot超过 9 年前
I really hope this isn&#x27;t true. I&#x27;ve hosted my own music there for years (and am a paying customers), and almost all of the interesting new music I find is from there.<p>One thing that might help them is to charge non-creators for some services. Right now there just doesn&#x27;t appear to be any reason to if you&#x27;re just a listener.
EGreg超过 9 年前
I don&#x27;t say this about many start ups, but sound cloud has created an amazing experience and interface for publishing sound. I don&#x27;t know how defendable it is, but they are one of those start ups that definitely needs more capital before they build out their revenue streams. And I think they are going to get it.
ajsharp超过 9 年前
Unfortunately, none of this is surprising. Soundcloud has no real revenue model due to a seemingly inability to court rights-holders, and the product is mediocre at best. Soundcloud provided an outlet for the indie and electronic music communities to share and consume music early on, and that has more or less remained their bread and butter to this day. Even if they were charging end-users for access, the viability of it is as a competitor to Spotify and Apple music, at the prevailing market price-point ($10 &#x2F; month) is slim. Ultimately Soundcloud is a niche product competing against broad market products with no real path to revenue other than somehow bringing mainstream music onboard. And it seems pretty clear that mainstream music isn&#x27;t interested in collaborating with Soundcloud.
javery超过 9 年前
Terrible article and sensational headline - the problem with all the YC guys being asleep right now.
jafingi超过 9 年前
Reminds me of the danish site MyMusic.dk that was founded in 1998, and became the go-to site of danish underground artists. In 2010 it just disappeared from the web, and 12 years of music from 16.000 danish artists were just _gone_.<p>It reappeared as Bandbase.dk for a while, but then went bankrupt again.<p>That said, I think Soundcloud has missed a huge opportunity by being market leaders. They could have taken the best from Bandcamp, and earned royalties from each sale. It would make it so easy for indie artists to earn a little money from what they love, and also make Soundcloud money. Instead, artists are putting up 30 second previews on Soundcloud with a link to Bandcamp to buy&#x2F;download for free.
beatpanda超过 9 年前
I seriously don&#x27;t understand how this is possible. I was the multimedia editor of a college newspaper in about 2008 and we needed a place to host podcasts. We were looking around for a solution that could serve as infrastructure for audio files, and soundcloud was the only game in town.<p>It still is, and now, eight years later, podcasts as a business are booming. How are they not making enough money selling their product as infrastructure? Their API is <i>so unbelievably good</i> that even a cash-strapped community college was prepared to pay for their service. Are they really not earning enough revenue to keep it going?
norea-armozel超过 9 年前
I think it would be a shame if SoundCloud disappeared considering how many of my music discoveries come from there. If it wasn&#x27;t for SoundCloud I wouldn&#x27;t have known Pilotpriest, Dance with the dead, Droid Bishop, and other synthwave artists even existed. Bandcamp is okay but I find it hard to find new synthwave and related genre artists on their search. If SoundCloud dies someone over at Bandcamp needs to beef up the search and tagging system over there (I buy much of my music now through BandCamp).
chrisblackwell超过 9 年前
How many of these services will have to shut down before it&#x27;s user&#x27;s will start supporting them? Please give me the option of paying money, and making sure you will be in business for the next few years.
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sakopov超过 9 年前
I used to produce tech&#x2F;progressive trance back in the day as a hobby (you can checkout snippets from some of my tracks from SC link below) and remember when SoundCloud first came into the picture. It was a great platform to connect with others who dabble in music production and share tips. It has since become the breeding ground for up and coming EDM producers. A really cool place on the web and it&#x27;d be a shame if they closed down shop.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;soundcloud.com&#x2F;sergei-a" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;soundcloud.com&#x2F;sergei-a</a>
romaniv超过 9 年前
I would be happy to pay something to Soundcloud as long as it&#x27;s not per-song. It&#x27;s a good service. Really easy to use as a musician and great for finding new music as a consumer.<p>Hm, maybe they should be selling some &quot;audiophile&quot; subscriptions with ability to tag and hierarchically categorize songs you liked? I would buy that if the price is not astronomical.<p>But I also think it&#x27;s really important that the basic usage stays free for people who randomly wonder in from other websites.
brudgers超过 9 年前
Article at Financial Times, <i>SoundCloud to seek more funding in 2016</i>:<p><a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.ft.com&#x2F;intl&#x2F;cms&#x2F;s&#x2F;0&#x2F;fcb06850-c66e-11e5-808f-8231cd71622e.html#axzz3zsBbAXyy" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.ft.com&#x2F;intl&#x2F;cms&#x2F;s&#x2F;0&#x2F;fcb06850-c66e-11e5-808f-8231c...</a><p>This appears to be the basis for the report. Startups tend to post losses. Amazon did for many years. That&#x27;s because all the money that comes in gets spent to grow.
kidsil超过 9 年前
Youtube is not making any profit either, I suppose streaming based websites are very difficult to make profitable. Must be the constant growing expenses for servers.
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leroy_masochist超过 9 年前
While I understand the appeal for Soundcloud as a platform for people to get their music &quot;out there&quot; (especially with EDM), I personally don&#x27;t like the UX at all. The big gripe I have is that the categories are often jacked up. I&#x27;m a big metal fan and almost half of the songs in the &quot;Metal&quot; category do not remotely meet that description.....as in, dubstep remixes of Taylor Swift songs and crap like that.
elcct超过 9 年前
I remember few years ago there was something like forum (or groups) on Soundcloud. It was really nice way to collaborate with other musicians, but they decided to kill it. I lost interest in SoundCloud since... I still have an account, but I am not using it that often. Also how they present tracks is very annoying, so I stopped sharing soundcloud stuff with friends. It actually got me into creating my own service.
freddref超过 9 年前
It&#x27;s difficult to discover new music on SC outside of what&#x27;s currently popular. Maybe it&#x27;s there somewhere but I find the UI frustrating.
sebringj超过 9 年前
SoundCloud is a grassroots thing really necessary for creativity coming out of no where exposing music on an even playing field compared with other services. I love them.<p>They should not only charge for music uploading but have a premium plan for listeners like myself similar to Spotify. No ads the ability to archive songs outside of normal release windows, something like that.
DanFeldman超过 9 年前
Losing soundcloud would be terrible. Half of my music discovery is through soundcloud; Though I find myself listening 80% of the time on Spotify instead, moving over once I find an artist through soundcloud.<p>Soundcloud&#x27;s mobile app is terrible though, randomly freezing and crashing. Wonder if poor engagement through the app contributed to the this loss posting.
imartin2k超过 9 年前
A few days early this news already circulated on multiple sites - and I had to blog about how the media was covering these &quot;news&quot;: <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;meshedsociety.com&#x2F;how-the-media-reports-about-soundclouds-financials&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;meshedsociety.com&#x2F;how-the-media-reports-about-soundcl...</a>
andistuder超过 9 年前
Don&#x27;t think FACT interpret the funcials of this Startup very well. A FT article responinding to the same release seems more to the point: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;next.ft.com&#x2F;content&#x2F;fcb06850-c66e-11e5-808f-8231cd71622e" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;next.ft.com&#x2F;content&#x2F;fcb06850-c66e-11e5-808f-8231cd71...</a>
kolmogorov超过 9 年前
80k average salary is crazy for a Berlin based company. They have a reputation of poaching engineers and granting them crazy salary increases. They then also let them do kind of whatever they feel like with whatever tech stack which may work if you have a money printing service but is questionable for the stage they are in.
gtirloni超过 9 年前
<i>The report makes it clear that while the company had “adequate resources to continue in operational existence for the forseeable future,” SoundCloud was heavily reliant on “further capital investment” to continue operating in 2015.</i><p>What&#x27;s the difference between &quot;operational existence&quot; and &quot;continue operating&quot; here?
pbreit超过 9 年前
That looks like sloppy reporting or at least a misleading headline. Although I guess anything &quot;could&quot; happen.
doener超过 9 年前
Just add &quot;could be&quot; to your headline and you can write anything.<p>There is absolutely no evidence that SoundCloud is forced to shut down and the $44m loss for 2014 is was reported before.<p>So a VC backup company is still losing money and is still dependent on new financing rounds or loans? Not something totally unheard of.
ptha超过 9 年前
<i>While SoundCloud brought in €17.35m ($15.37m) in 2014, it lost a total of €39.14m ($44.19m). Employee wages during that period also increased 42.5% to €17.9m, meaning that the average wage per employee for that year totalled €79,980</i><p>Seems like a pretty generous wage increase for a company in the red.
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y04nn超过 9 年前
I didn&#x27;t expected that, Soundcloud is such a nice plateforme. I thought that they were still growing, there is so much potential, with artists promotion and so on. I also wonder why they never became a selling platform. Is there any company that would buy the service ?
mark242超过 9 年前
My obligatory show HN link: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;octave.is" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;octave.is</a> is the Vimeo to Soundcloud&#x27;s Youtube. No crap comments, no ads, no garbage on your artist page.
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gnrlbzik超过 9 年前
I do not upload any music on to sound cloud, but never the less, it is one of my primary ways of discovery. I would happily pay $2-4 a month to so called get rid of &quot;ADs&quot; and support them.
speby超过 9 年前
This is unfortunate news... I remember seeing this video ( years ago) introducing SoundCloud: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;vimeo.com&#x2F;1857085" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;vimeo.com&#x2F;1857085</a><p>Nostalgic, now.
aw3c2超过 9 年前
Anyone know how big it is in terms of available files and total file size?
scosman超过 9 年前
KPMG&#x27;s statement is pretty standard in any GAAP financial statement. If your company is losing money, it pretty much has to be included. Not many startups wouldn&#x27;t have it.
harel超过 9 年前
I will be very sad if they go, as I have my music (from another life) on that service. However, I doubt that will happen. At worst they will scale down their operations and cut costs.
ryan-allen超过 9 年前
How much data does soundcloud host?<p>I can&#x27;t deal with another mp3.com :( My CD backups of MP3.com in 2001 were damaged and I had lost songs for ever. It was tragic.
techthumb超过 9 年前
<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=11083954" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=11083954</a>
jacquesm超过 9 年前
Does anybody remember the name of the indie music website that was very popular around 2000 or so? For the life of me I can&#x27;t remember it.
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amelius超过 9 年前
Can we have some more data?<p>How many visits do they have per day? How much data do they stream per day? What is the total amount of data that they serve?
jegutman超过 9 年前
Maybe Google or other bigco could buy out of bankruptcy? Is there too much tail liability from some copyright infringement??
unixhero超过 9 年前
I have a strong belief in heartis.at as the new soundcloud and baboom.com as the real marketplace (which disrupts the industry).
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pindropm超过 9 年前
There is a great cultural and emotional content that these services contains. Shutting these services will cause a big damage to this heritage.<p>We are trying to solve some of the biggest problems of music industry with PindropMusic<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;itunes.apple.com&#x2F;in&#x2F;app&#x2F;pindropmusic&#x2F;id1042553162?mt=8" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;itunes.apple.com&#x2F;in&#x2F;app&#x2F;pindropmusic&#x2F;id1042553162?mt...</a>
yueq超过 9 年前
Loss of 44m dollars is nothing in internet industry. As long as that loss contributes to growth!
kyrre超过 9 年前
soundcloud charges musicians around $150 for an annual pro subscription and then sends the consumers to bandcamp to buy the music and merch.<p>doesn&#x27;t sound like the right monetization approach
ogezi超过 9 年前
it&#x27;s a great service, they just need to monetise properly.
circa超过 9 年前
That is a bummer. I love SoundCloud and use it frequently.
slackstation超过 9 年前
What we need is something that isn&#x27;t centralized. The problem that needs to be solved is how to pay for the things that you care about but, keep enough in a common pot to not only share the service but, to make systems for discovery.<p>Soundcloud is awesome. It&#x27;s needed, it&#x27;s culturally important but, it doesn&#x27;t make money. We should stop thinking of things like Soundcloud like business but, more like museums with infinite square footage.<p>We can pay the artists as patrons directly, we can pay tour guides who show us interesting and amazing things. We have decent micropayments. What&#x27;s left is the thing that hackers aren&#x27;t great at, the cultural work of changing public perception.<p>Most artists just want to eat, pay rent and live well enough to create more art. I love that Soundcloud allowed people to experiment, get good enough to book gigs and then I could see them live.<p>What we need is a system that does that efficiently. We need a better managerial structure than VCs + Founders. Soundcloud is a pretty solved problem, both technology wise and UI wise. What isn&#x27;t solved is funding and management.<p>There are so many services that would be wonderful to have but, will never be $1bn+ exits for anyone.<p>Twitter should be. IMHO I think it will be eventually.<p>Every social network gets abandoned once people put up ads. It&#x27;s pretty crazy that we live in a world where conversation, speech both personal and public are strip-mined for profit.<p>People will eventually realize that freedom costs something. Thankfully, technology should make that cost in dollars very cheap.<p>A Facebook scale social network could charge $1&#x2F;yr and pull in $1.5bn&#x2F;yr. A decentralized FB-scale network isn&#x27;t trivial both technically and socially but, it&#x27;s something that we as hackers should figure out.<p>A decentralized social network would be a huge win for freedom of speech, thought and information. Facebook already filters everything that people see. It&#x27;s a centralized, easily subpoena-able entity.<p>The larger, much harder problem is how do you convince teenage girls to join a service. They are both the heavy users and set the communication norms for the next generation.<p>The next problem is how do you build something that is wanted by society but, don&#x27;t do it by setting up a relationship with a VC looking to exit for 100X what they put in.<p>Once we solve those two issues, social and funding then the world will very quickly become a place where we can build things that are self-sustaining, less link rot, less invasion of privacy, less filtering of thought and speech by centralized powers.
eruditely超过 9 年前
I&#x27;ll purchase a subscription service immediately.
monkeywork超过 9 年前
What would you consider to be a viable alternative?
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dreamdu5t超过 9 年前
The worst part: we all knew this day was coming from many years back. Because we all know but don&#x27;t want to accept that advertising is the only viable business model on the web.
blairanderson超过 9 年前
GO BACK TO BUZZFEED YOU FEARMONGER
aiw1nters超过 9 年前
factmag talking financials is like Trump talking politics
exabrial超过 9 年前
This blows my mind! SoundCloud is ubiquitous