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Vinod Khosla asks for $30M for access to public beach

131 点作者 chauzer大约 9 年前

14 条评论

jmspring大约 9 年前
Tone deaf as usual. Roughly 90 acres purchased in 2008 for $32.5mil, easement according to <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.sfgate.com&#x2F;bayarea&#x2F;article&#x2F;Vinod-Khosla-wants-30-million-for-Martins-Beach-6847689.php" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.sfgate.com&#x2F;bayarea&#x2F;article&#x2F;Vinod-Khosla-wants-30-...</a> is about an acre. That&#x27;s quite a bit of appreciation.<p>Khosla is wrong in this one and continues to be an example of tone deafness on access rights and how the Bay Area sees beach access as compared to Malibu, etc. (They have similar fights down there, but, well, the gentrification and blockage is more established).
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cromwellian大约 9 年前
Man, Vinod is burning up every shred of street cred he had with this fight over the beach in front of his property. For someone who has often taken liberal or progressive positions on other things, this seems remarkably tone deaf.<p>The law on public beaches in California is clear. You can&#x27;t privatize a beach by trying to obstruct people from getting to it.
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prawn大约 9 年前
Not familiar with the area. Is it feasible for a group to fund&#x2F;arrange free boat transport to constantly bring people to the beach to enjoy it regardless of the easement?
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notatoad大约 9 年前
What&#x27;s the eminent domain situation in California? Could the government just decide that allowing the public to access the public beach is in the public interest and take his whole property?
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elangoc大约 9 年前
If we invoke the ancient European idea of the &quot;public trust doctrine&quot; to bolster the justness of the argument that Vinod Khosla should create a path on his private land for the public use -- then why can&#x27;t California invoke that same reasoning to overturn the antequated water ownership laws that give private, transferrable ownership of ground resources (including water) for large landowners who control a large portion of the state&#x27;s water sources?<p>The attitude about California&#x27;s ground water is, &quot;Hey, they own the water based on the laws on the books, what can you do?&quot; Much of the public would rather they not use all that water on almonds and alfalfa and whatnot, just to export elsewhere. Why can&#x27;t the rest of the country grow that stuff? How can someone exclusively own the groundwater like that??<p>Whatever law that applies to Vinod Khosla should apply to those large water-wasting water-owners.<p>(And it follows that however dastardly Vinod Khosla may seem, the large water-owners in California are irrevocably screwing over California&#x27;s future generations&#x27; water resources, and are thus in my book, much more worthy of scorn and &quot;public trust doctrine&quot; action.)
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MichaelBurge大约 9 年前
Did this guy actually buy the beach itself? If so, people should get off his lawn - it&#x27;s his property and this America.<p>If not, then I imagine there&#x27;s just a road going through his property. I tend to think of the streets as being publicly owned: The city should consider paving an alternate access route to the beach and paying for its maintenance out of the local property taxes.<p>That said, it&#x27;s common for cities to have codes governing parking and such, and it&#x27;s plausible to me that guaranteeing access to a beach is along the same lines. It seems weird to force him to maintain the road though.
dmix大约 9 年前
Lawyers <i>always</i> ask for way more money than they expect to get. In almost every situation like this in the past they settle for 10% of the amount and everyone walks away happy.<p>This is like the endless use of maximum sentences in headlines: &quot;hacker faces 100 years in prison!&quot;... when they almost always end up getting &lt;10yrs at the end of the trial. Sad to see HN fall into this trap once again.<p>Whether he&#x27;s wrong in demanding compensation is a fair debate, don&#x27;t get me wrong, but I don&#x27;t think he expects to get anywhere near that price.
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abbottmaverick大约 9 年前
My my is this still going on? The beach exclusion principles employed by Mr Khosla make him sound like a dick. Gareth Morgan tried something similar recently and it backfired, although he was only trying to raise awareness for the public effort to purchase the Abel Tasman, New Zealand beach for the public, which may have succeeded. His response was &quot;I will donate 600k if I can keep a private residence&quot;. 30M sounds like a lot of money for the right of access here. Not the California I remember. I am on the fence on this one, but think a solution should exist which respects both parties concerns and doesn&#x27;t cost either more than a million. It is not uncommon to restrict access to beaches via private land in New Zealand, but the neighbourly thing to do is come to some arrangement that is mutually beneficial, and I don&#x27;t know what the laws are with respect to trespass in California. If the property was to be developed by Mr Khosla and it was in New Zealand, the council would likely require a public access way to be gifted. As a pilot, devils advocate, not a lawyer, the first thing that springs to mind is can you legally land a helicopter or a drone on the beach to see what all the fuss is about? ;)
piyushpr134大约 9 年前
Americans are very easy to govern people. There is so much elitist stuff that happens there and people have no voice at all. I saw so many things there that should be protested.<p>For instance, my friend(native there) had this phone from AT&amp;T, a stock android phone (or so I assumed) but you cannot share internet on it! Or that the govt rarely builds any usable public transport is just crazy...(car companies have strong lobby may be ?) Store do not keep smaller sizes of anything (soaps, shampoos, food items) and force everybody to buy large.
incepted大约 9 年前
This is an old story, going back at least a year: <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.sfgate.com&#x2F;bayarea&#x2F;article&#x2F;Martins-Beach-owner-challenges-judge-s-order-to-5963587.php" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.sfgate.com&#x2F;bayarea&#x2F;article&#x2F;Martins-Beach-owner-ch...</a>
tedmiston大约 9 年前
Just to play devil&#x27;s advocate here... I believe last time this came up he raised a fuss about him having to maintain the road, or he had spent $x on it already, or something like that.<p>Was their substance to that, or just an attempt to drag out the process?
thrownaway2424大约 9 年前
I don&#x27;t know what&#x27;s wrong with this guy, but I do know that the state should just go to war with him. Why should there be a road leading to this guy&#x27;s house?
simonebrunozzi大约 9 年前
It&#x27;s Vinod, not Vinad. Someone please correct the title.
sidcool大约 9 年前
I am sure it&#x27;s not legal. Is it?
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