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Employees: looking for “the great boss who cares about their development”

173 点作者 ioanarebeca大约 9 年前

32 条评论

switch007大约 9 年前
I company I worked at contracted a company to do &quot;scientific&quot; questionnaires of staff, so management knew which kind of personalities people had, what they wanted out of a job etc. We had to sit through an hour presentation, being told what makes us happy.<p>Everyone was forced to do the questionnaire and afterwards we had an opportunity to discuss the results with the company and our managers. All through the process, management stressed how much they were interested in how we can grow, how we can do better in the organisation and so on.<p>I asked: why don&#x27;t just sit down with people over a coffee and ask them? I got blank stares. You could tell they thought we were all too stupid to know what we wanted and that nothing valuable could come out of that process. Completely idiotic.
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officemonkey大约 9 年前
I&#x27;d believe Gallup if they weren&#x27;t hacks and crooks.<p>Five to ten years ago they had a big program that they peddled to organizations about Employee Engagement.<p>They ended up paying the Justice Department 10.5 million dollars for crimes associated with contracting irregularities (aka bribes.)<p>Looks like they&#x27;re going to turn their &quot;survey experience&quot; to another part of employee training.<p>It&#x27;s really sad about Gallup. They&#x27;ve been riding on their good name that they developed 60 years ago. They&#x27;re bad pollsters (they predicted McCain would win in 2008) and they&#x27;re pretty blatantly partisan. Oh, as as mentioned above, crooked.<p>That being said, yes, I&#x27;m sure that employees want &quot;a great boss who cares about their development.&quot; I knew that years ago. I also know that this &quot;story&quot; is a puff piece to sell Gallup consulting services.
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js8大约 9 年前
I think employees want control of their own life, more share in decision-making. Essentially, they want democracy, even if they can&#x27;t articulate it. But in capitalist society, where the ownership of capital decides, this cannot happen.<p>There are attempts to tiptoe around this problem with holacracies and Agile methodologies and similar concepts, but the main problem still remains.
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vfc1大约 9 年前
This is great stuff. Problem is there is the work the company needs you to do, and the work you want to do.<p>Both of these change overtime, for example in software development when the lifecycle of the project advances. As the project reaches maintenance mode, you can no longer design the architecture and implement things from scratch, its already done.<p>So the work the company needs you to do now is very different.<p>Then there is your personal preferences that change over time.<p>So the work you want to do and the one the company wants you to do will probably only overlap for a short period of time.
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6stringmerc大约 9 年前
The term &quot;Glass Ceiling&quot; was created to help discuss the difficulties for advancement by women and minority &#x2F; upwardly mobile individuals in the workplace. I&#x27;d venture a guess HN is likely stratified to a predominately middle-aged or younger demographic (US), albeit with a significant number of professionals with decades of longevity with technology. So, not the primary target of the concept, but a group that definitely has grown up with the concept being discussed as a social&#x2F;professional issue.<p>However, outside of technology fields, from personal experience and numerous discussions with peers (anecdotes), I think I finally hit the right term to describe a different &#x27;advancement&#x27; conundrum: &quot;The Grey Ceiling.&quot;<p>To put the idea in blunt terms, there&#x27;s no room for advancement and career development when the prior generation(s) are stuck in the workforce for whatever reason(s) - lack of retirement savings, dependent adult children or being part of the &#x27;Sandwhich Generation&#x27; or significant debt accumulated over the years.<p>The Grey Ceiling has no incentive to assist up and coming professionals to grow, to increase their income, or become peers in the corporate environment. The Gray Ceiling sees youth as a threat - insofar as if a younger worker gets a raise it&#x27;s less monies available for themselves. The Gray Ceiling is not a &#x27;guidebook&#x27; or &#x27;conspiracy&#x27; to keep the younger professionals from advancing, but rather simply a result of self-interest amongst a cohort of people.<p>Of course there are dozens of firms that take on mentorship and development type programs. Like becoming an i-Banking Analyst. Of course there&#x27;s light at the end of the 80 hour work week tunnel!
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ryandrake大约 9 年前
Funny thing missing from this thread: Money. Doesn&#x27;t anyone work for money anymore? You know, that stuff that allows you to survive day to day? I guess it just sounds better to say that you go to work to &quot;change the world&quot; or &quot;fulfill a lifelong passion&quot; or &quot;grow your career&quot;. Saying you&#x27;re in it for money is crass. If I want personal fulfillment or engaging projects or ping pong, I can do that outside of work, AND I get to pick and choose what I want to do. Would you really do what you do for 1&#x2F;3 of your life if you didn&#x27;t receive compensation for that time?
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lhnz大约 9 年前
People want to be happy, it doesn&#x27;t really matter how.<p>Often they don&#x27;t really know themselves. But they&#x27;re quite sure it&#x27;ll happen if only they were able to become more impressive. They will be happy once they are promoted, treated with respect, and given more money.<p>A great boss feels like an ally, and often it&#x27;s not the outcome that makes you happy but the hope of a better future.<p>I think there are many people in an organisation that can alleviate this desire. It&#x27;s not just managers offering personal development or leaders inspiring people to be bold, sometimes it is your friends that make you see a better perspective on how your life already is. I think it&#x27;s important to think about how you can make others feel good, and not just how you feel about your own position.
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mbrock大约 9 年前
On the other hand, I don&#x27;t want to be condescended to by managers that invite me to meetings about improving <i>me</i>, assessing my personality, helping me &quot;grow.&quot;<p>I want to help improve the <i>product</i>, and the most fundamental way to engage me with that is to ask me for input and take my ideas &amp; concerns seriously.<p>Just coffee and a chat every now and then is a great setting for that. No need for made-up agendas and bullet point lists and awkward quizzes.
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blfr大约 9 年前
All I want is work organization that doesn&#x27;t get in the way of doing things that actually make money. It&#x27;s truly unbelievable how even small companies adopted systems that impede sales and engineering, or worse make customers jump through hoops, because it makes life easier for some bean counter.<p>That other stuff sounds like completely optional nice-to-haves.
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rbanffy大约 9 年前
I think there may be some confusion between satisfaction through perks with satisfaction through doing great work. I require certain perks - sufficient time off with my family, time to educate myself further, a reasonably stocked cafeteria, quiet spaces - but I also need to feel satisfied by knowing the work I do is important - and what is &quot;important&quot; to me may not be important to anyone else and what is important to me now was not important ten years ago and will not be important ten years from now.
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jevanish大约 9 年前
It&#x27;s kind of amazing how often this is getting talked about, but little seems to be changing.<p>A few examples:<p>1) Mary Meeker&#x27;s Internet Trends 2015 -&gt; <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.slideshare.net&#x2F;kleinerperkins&#x2F;internet-trends-v1" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.slideshare.net&#x2F;kleinerperkins&#x2F;internet-trends-v1</a><p>2) Gallup, here and in some of their research -&gt; <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.gallup.com&#x2F;services&#x2F;182138&#x2F;state-american-manager.aspx" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.gallup.com&#x2F;services&#x2F;182138&#x2F;state-american-manager...</a><p>3) Deloitte&#x27;s latest study on Millennials -&gt; <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;getlighthouse.com&#x2F;blog&#x2F;deloitte-survey-millennials-2016-takeaways&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;getlighthouse.com&#x2F;blog&#x2F;deloitte-survey-millennials-2...</a><p>4) Reid Hoffman&#x27;s book, The Alliance -&gt; <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.slideshare.net&#x2F;reidhoffman&#x2F;the-alliance-a-visual-summary" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.slideshare.net&#x2F;reidhoffman&#x2F;the-alliance-a-visual-...</a><p>Companies don&#x27;t reward managers for caring about people&#x27;s development, so it won&#x27;t change until companies start to.
metasean大约 9 年前
<i>... please use the original title, unless it is misleading or linkbait.</i> - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;newsguidelines.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;newsguidelines.html</a><p>The original title is, &quot;Employee Satisfaction Doesn&#x27;t Matter&quot;.
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danieltillett大约 9 年前
The problem is this is a hard problem. Developing staff takes effort, time and resources, while a ping-pong table just requires money.<p>Personally I am of the belief that work is work. Pay for what you expect and expect what you pay for.
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rikkus大约 9 年前
If you get a great boss, stay where you are. There&#x27;s not much more important, IME.
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st3v3r大约 9 年前
It&#x27;s pretty simple: If they don&#x27;t care about me, why should I care about their product? I&#x27;ll still come in and do the job, but why should I put in extra effort?
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svendlarssen大约 9 年前
I currently work for a small company in Denmark. The moment I decided to sign a contract with the firm, all my friends look at me and wondered: why? The answer was simple: I chose a boss, not an employer.
draw_down大约 9 年前
I don&#x27;t disagree, who could.<p>But this type of stuff is usually nothing more than a justification for taking away the free lunch, without actually doing anything about making sure people have meaningful and fulfilling work. You know, we&#x27;re getting serious by taking away the free Cheez-Its... and making your boss ride your ass to work 12 hour days.
zenplatypus大约 9 年前
I think this touches the odd phenomenon of our hedonic preferences. In a given moment there are probably a majority of people in corporate, public (&quot;money making machines&quot; as I believe someone referred to them as) who would state that they desire the increased vacation, provided meals, ping pong table version of happiness at work and truly believe that would make them better off. And it likely would to some degree, but as has been shown in economics over and over, outside of basic needs we have a remarkable ability to normalize our happiness back to a baseline level despite increases in material access (but we still crave). Thus this may put an employer in an odd dilemma if deciding where to place their &quot;happiness&quot; efforts for their employees. Employees would support &quot;perks&quot; and &quot;perks&quot; are easy. But to sustainably become a motivating and development-focused employer you need a ton of buy-in from likely apathetic managers, you need a top-down level of emotional maturity and management skill that is rarely seen in companies of scale, and you need to have the ability to operate in a longer term horizon (because payoffs and results take time) which few companies and leaders do. I guess the &#x27;so what&#x27; from this is that we should take it upon ourselves to move beyond visceral preferences to act in our (and others&#x27;) real best self-interest.
Mc_Big_G大约 9 年前
Giving employees a reasonable amount of vacation is bad? Fuck you
crimsonalucard大约 9 年前
This article is wrong. Why is it wrong? It talks about fulfilling work and a great boss as if it&#x27;s the ONLY thing that employees look for. BY common sense what employees look for is a huge multitude of factors combined together part of which includes &quot;Free lunches, more vacation time, latte machines --- and don&#x27;t forget a ping pong table.&quot; It is stupid to discard all of these things as inconsequential when the employee himself states that these are things he wants.<p>Engaging work is ONLY one factor out of many things that Employees declare that they want.<p>What this article is trying and failing to address is the fact that most employees become dissatisfied with their work EVEN when employers try to satisfy all these needs and wants. It hints at the fact that there is something that the employee wants that he isn&#x27;t fully aware of. What is this thing that he wants?<p>Simple. The answer is: Career Growth. As humans our needs and wants are unlimited. It doesn&#x27;t matter how many needs and wants are satisfied, the employee will eventually want more. Employees are looking for a continuous improvement in their well-being keyword being &quot;continuous.&quot; The company that provides the employee with the fastest rate of unlimited growth is the company that retains the employee.<p>The reality is, nothing can satisfy an employee if his wants and needs are unlimited. We all fight for this plateau of ultimate satisfaction that we will never reach. If you want to retain employees you must give employees the constant illusion that they are making progress towards this nonexistent plateau.
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TheAndruu大约 9 年前
I agree with the point, and appreciate the article stating in words what I&#x27;ve felt.<p>If a recruiter tries to push the &#x27;game room and free snacks&#x27; angle, I immediately grow concerned that the employer is out of touch with employees and thinks that this leads to happiness.<p>Everyone really wants to feel their work is appreciated.
greggarious大约 9 年前
I&#x27;d also throw in &quot;and treats them with respect&quot;<p>Otherwise you end up with someone who has their entire identity wrapped up in their work, which can be stressful no matter how much they &quot;care about professional development&quot;
kchoudhu大约 9 年前
I don&#x27;t want my boss to look out for my development -- I want my boss to make sure that I have a clear political field to advance my technical agenda.<p>Do that, and I&#x27;ll take care of my personal development.
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oniMaker大约 9 年前
I&#x27;d just like to note that this article has given us a fine new phrase to put on the shelf of useful business culture metaphors, right next to bike-shedding and dog-fooding.<p>Bear-feeding!
suttree大约 9 年前
My approach to this is giving companies a place to start these kinds of discussions with people - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.somewhere.com&#x2F;for-companies" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.somewhere.com&#x2F;for-companies</a><p>Not people analytics or people ops, but a way to talk about how you think about and approach work.
andrew950大约 9 年前
Couldn&#x27;t agree more. More and more people should focus on finding the right boss instead of employer.
quaffapint大约 9 年前
I want to write and learn good coding for myself.<p>While the boss would be just as happy with crappy code as good code, as long as he sees that project percentage increase, it just makes me happier to do it right as much as possible, even if I spend my own time on it.
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a_lifters_life大约 9 年前
Good article, thanks. Employees want to feel fulfilled, and engaged in their work. A huge part of that starts with leaders, NOT managers. The world doesn&#x27;t need managers, they need leaders.
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ricksplat大约 9 年前
Employee satisfaction <i>does</i> matter to a point, as a &quot;hygiene factor&quot; - but yes the author is right, it&#x27;s not to be confused with &quot;engagement&quot;.
jonathanwallace大约 9 年前
Stated in another way: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=h1UayuSXBcg" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=h1UayuSXBcg</a>.
rocky1138大约 9 年前
This is a great opinion piece. Where&#x27;s the sources for the data behind the rationale?
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crispycrucnchy大约 9 年前
2-way street