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We Should All Have Something to Hide (2013)

239 点作者 citizensixteen大约 9 年前

11 条评论

awakeasleep大约 9 年前
There are a couple different arguments that have been developed to counter the government requests&#x2F;propaganda for access to our data.<p>Here, Moxie works on one I don&#x27;t think has been popularized yet- To reform unjust laws, people must be able to break those laws. That is an argument against allowing the government to have total information awareness, because that access would allow the government to enforce laws perfectly, which would make some unjust laws permanent.<p>I believe that is the weak bit of the argument- although it&#x27;s true, there is a big gap between how the government could move from information awareness to perfect enforcement.<p>Instead, I&#x27;d take the argument in the direction that a database of the criminal behavior on every citizen would create the prefect tool for the suppression of dissent. Anyone who became politically inconvenient would have their entries combed for wrongdoing, and their life destroyed.<p>The weakness with THAT argument is that it assumes a conspiratorial, immoral federal government. Many of us may be able to imagine that, but it&#x27;s an idea at the periphery of the Overton window.<p>Which brings me to my point.<p>We need a reference detailing historic government abuses of data. It should focus on:<p><pre><code> How data was collected The original purpose of collection The benign intentions of the original collectors How the data moved from the collecting administration to the abusive administration </code></pre> It seems like there should be a wealth of historical examples. What data did the Stasi have, Mao&#x27;s china, the purges of intellectuals in russia and SE Asia. I bet there are even records of Torquemada&#x27;s Inquisition.<p>I want us to make the posibility of a good administration collecting data, and then that data being captured or inherited by a bad administration, a part of the mental vocabulary of the US population. Yeah it&#x27;s ambitious, but I think that is the best chance we have at fighting the Government here. And, I believe that an earnest civil servant could understand the danger, and want to limit his own power, once this was properly explained.
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stegosaurus大约 9 年前
I don&#x27;t think the battle here is about privacy, encryption, or any of that stuff.<p>It&#x27;s really about trust in government.<p>It&#x27;s about the specific meaning of the word &#x27;trust&#x27; - the idea that &#x27;trust&#x27; and &#x27;distrust&#x27; are not equivalent to &#x27;good&#x27; or &#x27;bad&#x27;.<p>I can distrust my government, without thinking that they are bad.<p>When speaking to friends and family about this, that feels like the barrier. They believe that current western governments are generally &#x27;good&#x27;, and that historical ones were &#x27;bad&#x27;, accidents of some sort, that can&#x27;t or won&#x27;t happen again.<p>That troubles me, more so than any specific issue of the day.
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wereHamster大约 9 年前
&gt; Law enforcement used to be harder. If a law enforcement agency wanted to track someone, it required physically assigning a law enforcement agent to follow that person around. Tracking everybody would be inconceivable, because it would require having as many law enforcement agents as people.<p>It is not inconceivable. It was very much real in east germany! People tracked each other, everybody became a law enforcement agent.
ck2大约 9 年前
Most people have committed a few felonies this year and either don&#x27;t even know it or don&#x27;t care.<p>Once prosecuting people becomes as automated as a license plate scanner generating hundreds of tickets per day, suddenly they are going to wish they had a little more privacy to balance the government being overbearing.<p>The problem is we give incredibly powerful weapons (both literally and figuratively) to law enforcement and then when going after the real big criminals turns out to be too difficult, they turn their eyes to the easy to catch regular folks with little way to defend themselves, just so crime prevention figures can look good in the budgets.
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Finnucane大约 9 年前
&quot; If a law enforcement agency wanted to track someone, it required physically assigning a law enforcement agent to follow that person around. Tracking everybody would be inconceivable, because it would require having as many law enforcement agents as people.&quot;<p>On the other hand, the Stasi and the KGB were infamous for the vast armies they employed in this task. Maybe they couldn&#x27;t track everyone all the time, but they could track enough people enough of the time that people were generally aware there was a non-zero chance of being tracked, and doing anything that might arouse the suspicions of the authorities carried risk. Also, in those societies, everyone was at risk, whereas in the US, the risk is perceived to be weighted toward &#x27;others&#x27;--if you are not in the targeted group, it is easier to be complacent.
studentrob大约 9 年前
We should. But we might not be allowed to in the digital world in the future.<p>A bill by US lawmakers, set for release in March, could require encrypted devices to be able to give un-encrypted data to law enforcement. Feinstein says the bill is &quot;coming along ... some people are making it a lot harder than we think it needs to be&quot;. An alternate proposal is also on the table<p><a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.politico.com&#x2F;tipsheets&#x2F;morning-cybersecurity&#x2F;2016&#x2F;02&#x2F;march-is-encryption-bill-month-hackers-going-after-japans-infrastructure-a-mixed-final-2015-tally-212865" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.politico.com&#x2F;tipsheets&#x2F;morning-cybersecurity&#x2F;2016...</a>
13thLetter大约 9 年前
If this is genuinely important to you, don&#x27;t forget to vote against every politician who supports mass surveillance. Do it in primaries and the general election. Write someone in if you have to, but do it, and don&#x27;t make excuses about the lesser evil.
everyone大约 9 年前
Its a bit worrying that someone feels its necessary to write an article explaining how the government constantly spying on everyone could be bad.
maus42大约 9 年前
(The post is from 2013. Shouldn&#x27;t that be mentioned in the title?)
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chinathrow大约 9 年前
(2013)
ikeboy大约 9 年前
From 2013.