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The Unbearable Asymmetry of Bullshit

345 点作者 fwdbureau大约 9 年前

28 条评论

brownbat大约 9 年前
The job market right now in the US forces grad students to attempt innovative research with remarkable conclusions. As a consequence, everyone&#x27;s trying to prove more outlandish things while few are bothering with replications.<p>If the field were sane, you would train all the apprentices on replication studies. Once they demonstrated dispassionate expertise with the tools, only then would they be allowed to try to use those tools to test their own ideas, where they will have a strong emotional preference for how the study will come out.<p>If universities hired grad students based on their replication work, not on their eye-popping original research, we&#x27;d have better science and better scientists.
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bikamonki大约 9 年前
And then there is the bullshit that permeates from science research into bullshit blogs that later folk people use to guide their decisions (and editors&#x2F;writers use to drive ad prints): what to eat or not according to recent research, how to raise children or not acording to recent research, how long a workout, how to be happy, how to this and how not to that. The bullshit then jumps from blogs into everyday conversations and daily live, into arguments over coffee (how much coffee is good by the way? According to quotable recent research that is). The most recent bulshit that really makes me lose hope is the don&#x27;t vaccinate children bullshit.<p>I see an entire civilization confused by a ubiquous mass communication tool which they invented to do exactly the opposite: enlight them.
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gavanwoolery大约 9 年前
&#x27; Instead, “It’s about a methodology for investigation, which includes, at its core, a relentless drive towards questioning that which came before.” You can both “love science,” he concludes, “and question it.” &#x27;<p>I&#x27;ve noticed that questioning some scientific finding often makes people think I am either anti-science, anti-intellectual, conservative, religious, or any combination thereof (I am none of these). To state quite the opposite, I think not questioning science makes you religious - you are putting faith in the findings, rather than disputing them or scrutinizing them with the scientific method (not that I think there is anything wrong with faith or religion, within their own realm).
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philh大约 9 年前
I find it vaguely amusing and ironic that he cites rationalwiki on the gish gallop, given that my impression is they do this themselves a bunch.<p>(Note that running a gish gallop doesn&#x27;t mean you&#x27;re <i>wrong</i>, it just means you&#x27;re intellectually dishonest.)<p>(I try not to pay too much attention to them, and I&#x27;m not super interested in refuting their bullshit, so this comment is going to be pretty unsatisfying. Sorry.)
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jimbokun大约 9 年前
&quot;In the case of Lord Voldemort, the trick is to unleash so many fallacies, misrepresentations of evidence, and other misleading or erroneous statements — at such a pace, and with such little regard for the norms of careful scholarship and&#x2F;or charitable academic discourse — that your opponents, who do, perhaps, feel bound by such norms, and who have better things to do with their time than to write rebuttals to each of your papers, face a dilemma. Either they can ignore you, or they can put their own research priorities on hold to try to combat the worst of your offenses.&quot;<p>So the scientific debate equivalent of the Trump campaign.
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trav4225大约 9 年前
&quot;There is a veritable truckload of bullshit in science.&quot;<p>Amen to that. :)<p>I&#x27;m a bit tired of seeing critics of various hypotheses being dismissed out of hand simply &quot;Because Science&quot;.
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apo大约 9 年前
&gt;... He Who Shall Not Be Named predictably rejects all of the studies that do not support his position as being “fatally flawed,” or as having been “refuted by experts”—namely, by himself and his close collaborators ...<p>This speaks to part of the problem - the undue weight that non-scientists place on expert opinion. Trained scientists see appeal to authority arguments for what they are: bullshit.<p>I see this most frequently in areas for which few controlled studies are available to light the way. Human nutrition and toxicology come to mind. Oddly enough, these are the areas that are most likely to be of interest to non-scientists, setting up a vicious cycle of guru-ism complete with economic incentive to continue spouting nonsense.
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bshimmin大约 9 年前
For anyone thinking, &quot;The words in the title sound sort of familiar, but I&#x27;m not sure why&quot;, it&#x27;s a reference to &quot;The Unbearable Lightness of Being&quot;, a great book by Milan Kundera which translated into Daniel Day-Lewis&#x27; worst film.
daveguy大约 9 年前
Author mentions difficulty of reproducing research as one of the issues in passing. There was a recent Nature special edition on the subject:<p><a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nature.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;reproducibility-1.17552" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nature.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;reproducibility-1.17552</a><p>I believe this is the <i>primary</i> issue and the cause is from one of two causes:<p>1) secret sauce in research -- details are lacking because there is a push to commercialize things that come out of academia<p>2) insufficient experimental design -- small sample size, poor controls, etc.<p>I would like to see an open publication that as a part of publication the result must be reproduced in a separate independent lab or two. This would almost double the required funding (maybe less because you eliminate false starts). Maybe just a few institutions could handle many reproductions.<p>There is a bit of a self-healing aspect in that the non-reproducible and non-interesting&#x2F;advancing studies just get dropped on the floor. However, it would lend a lot of credibility to a journal that required an independent research confirmation.
sevensor大约 9 年前
Another tactic I&#x27;ve seen from the Lord Voldemorts I know is to cite loads of references that aren&#x27;t readily available online. Such a citation can be used to prop up _any_ argument, whether or not the citation actually supports the argument, or even has any bearing on it at all. It&#x27;s the same trap, though. To disupte the citation, you have to wait months for an inter-library loan, read the cited work in detail, and then decide what it really has to say about the argument.<p>I personally fell into this trap, not because I was trying to refute something, but because I was trying to back up one of my own assumptions and I found that Lord Voldemort was citing Obscure Reference X to back up the same assumption. The joke was on me when I actually tracked down Obscure Reference X in the 30-years-out-of-print proceedings of a symposium on Y. Obscure Reference X had nothing at all to say about my assumption! Needless to say, I no longer trust Lord Voldemort or anyone who publishes with him.
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return0大约 9 年前
I heard a well known neuroscientist suggest that studies should be required to be replicated by at least another lab before being published&#x2F; established. That may sound impractical for some fields, but especially in biology&#x2F;neuroscience most projects are small enough to make this feasible. Is it worth the money? I would say absolutely, not only for the validation of the science, but for the shift in culture, to finally stop designing studies chasing minute (but statistically significant) effects just to make another publication.<p>I think its also about time we have post-publication peer review and about time scientists get off their high horses and start responding to it.
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haberman大约 9 年前
Science is an organism that needs an immune system. At a systemic level, it needs to be hard to get away with this kind of thing.
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Eupolemos大约 9 年前
Well, it is still a variation &quot;On Bullshit&quot; (Harry Frankfurt&#x27;s excellent article). If someone in science is more interested in a position than whether the presented arguments individually holds up or not, that person is unscientifically invested and we should have some kind of mental allergic reaction to that.<p>The &quot;Publish or Perish&quot; has made Gish Gallops much harder to catch and almost impossible to punish.
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dahart大约 9 年前
There is indeed a lot of bullshit in the practice of science. But that doesn&#x27;t mean science is flawed, it means people are flawed. Remember Sturgeons Law: 90% of everything is bullshit. [1]<p>It would be great if we could fund science purely for science&#x27; sake, and if scientists didn&#x27;t have egos or careers or reputations or children, but despite the objections, I will expect a certain amount of bullshit to continue unabated. In the mean time, the author&#x27;s most important point, IMO is &quot;<i>if</i> you love science, you had <i>better</i> question it, and question it well, so it can live up to its potential.&quot; This is true, and always will be, regardless of how much bullshit is involved!<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.m.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Sturgeon%27s_law" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.m.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Sturgeon%27s_law</a>
a77jk153大约 9 年前
Alan Sokal&#x27;s &#x27;Beyond The Hoax&#x27; and &#x27;Intellectual Impostures&#x27; are good reads about the subject.
studentrob大约 9 年前
Bullshit is a byproduct of a highly incentivized research market. This is what respected journals are supposed to help curate. There are opportunities to create better forms of curation with less bullshit and I would bet people will pay for it.
mrcactu5大约 9 年前
this is a great time to bring up Bullshit as a topic of study in and of its self. <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;press.princeton.edu&#x2F;titles&#x2F;7929.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;press.princeton.edu&#x2F;titles&#x2F;7929.html</a><p>We routinely say things that aren&#x27;t quite true -- sometimes with the best intentions or out of necessity. The truth can be a very complicated thing.<p>What we are calling &quot;bullshit&quot; may go under more serious names (and serious discussions) if we look at specific cases - e.g. finance, medicine, game theory, biology, etc... My back-of-the-envlope definition is that of an &quot;approximation to the truth&quot;.
thallukrish大约 9 年前
That&#x27;s the reason why theory should be backed by hard evidence or a product that can be experienced. Without this, a theory of any sort whether it turns out to be right or if it is pure bullshit should not be given undue credit.
agentgt大约 9 年前
In other professional disciplines particularly ones that require some sort of certification there are ethics tests and ethics committees. For example if your trying to get a CFA half of the test is ethics. Likewise for becoming and being a lawyer.<p>Given the importance of academia and its impact on policy in general perhaps something similar should exist?<p>I&#x27;m not sure if ethical tests and committees curb bad behavior but it could be a start or at least improve awareness. Maybe there is even something like the above already in place for academia that I&#x27;m unaware of?
RyanMcGreal大约 9 年前
This phenomenon may help to explain the two solitudes in the research on whether salt is harmful:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.washingtonpost.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;wonk&#x2F;wp&#x2F;2016&#x2F;02&#x2F;17&#x2F;scientists-cant-agree-whether-salt-is-killing-us-heres-why&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.washingtonpost.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;wonk&#x2F;wp&#x2F;2016&#x2F;02&#x2F;17&#x2F;scien...</a>
astazangasta大约 9 年前
I take issue with Brandolini&#x27;s maxim: &quot;The amount of energy necessary to refute bullshit is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it.&quot;<p>This assumes that we know, a priori, what is bullshit and what is not. Sometimes bullshitters know they are bullshitting, but most often they do not.<p>What I think is really going on here is that the scientific method is crap for this sort of thing, there is no such thing as &quot;empirical truth&quot; that exists in the real world, and subjective debate, reasoning, and so on, is hard and requires enormous effort on all parts.<p>Let&#x27;s consider another hypothetical work of bullshit by one Maleficent. I, an oblivious third party, come across her published work. How am I to know that this work is bullshit?<p>The traditional response is that we use the scientific method, verifiability and empiricism, to test the bounds of a proposed model against observation. &quot;You said Planet X should be at y, but it is actually at z, therefore bullshit.&quot; To quote Laurence Laurentz: &#x27;Would that it were so simple.&#x27;<p>The problem here is that observation is fraught, and is usually based on its own assumptions. For example, let&#x27;s say Maleficent is studying treatments for depression; to do so she must observe whether an individual is &quot;depressed&quot; or &quot;not depressed&quot;. How the fuck should she do this? Frequently people use questionnaire measures like the Beck Depression Inventory (BDI). Is this a valid tool? I have been heavily depressed when I scored low on the BDI, so I would say not. But what IS a valid tool? Is there any objective criterion we can bring to bear, here? What is it? Does &quot;depression&quot; even exist as a thing?<p>This problem, that observations are themselves laden with assumptions and based on pre-existing models, is a mire that all science is forced to wade through. Before we make decisions about anything, we must have a lens with which to view the world - but that, itself, is a decision!<p>More broadly speaking this is a problem with deductive reasoning, and because empiricism claims to be based on deductive reasoning it falls into error as a result. Because it is impossible to begin with truth, any scientific observation must be riddled through with approximations. And usually, we are unaware of the approximations that are blinding us when we build flawed models on top of them.<p>This is the main reason we get bullshit: <i>there is no good way to do science.</i>
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ArkyBeagle大约 9 年前
&quot;Science advances one funeral at a time.&quot; - Max Planck
nsns大约 9 年前
Instead of a sisyphean refutation of every attack, wouldn&#x27;t a better strategy be to research and prove the attacker&#x27;s conflict of interests (and thus discredit them)?
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superpope99大约 9 年前
&#x2F;offtopic<p>That 2.8mb .jpg is Bullshit
basicplus2大约 9 年前
so true! and when you you reward the bullshit artists with money and grants.. it multiplies the bullshit a thousand fold
awl130大约 9 年前
this belongs on medium.com
bazine大约 9 年前
hi
leroy_masochist大约 9 年前
I read this as a thinly-veiled attack on prominent climate-change activists. I thought the author ended a bit abruptly; was expecting a comparison of the tactics used by the fictitious &quot;Voldemort&quot; to the real-life actions of Bill McKibben, Michael Mann, etc.
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