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Erdogan’s Attempt to Suppress German Satire Has the Opposite Effect

444 点作者 bresc大约 9 年前

23 条评论

gokhan大约 9 年前
These days, most forms of criticism of Erdogan is forbidden in Turkey. During the past 14 years, he and his party turned a barely standing democracy with imperfect rules into a semi-dictatorian state with no rules. Police force fully belongs to him and you can derive many similarities with Hitler&#x27;s early 1930&#x27;s. There are no mainstream press left daring to oppose him, no prosecutor can question him for his unconstitutional statements and acts, and his feedback loop consists of garbage people who&#x27;s only income source is saying whatever pleases him.<p>As a result, the guy really lives in a bubble where everything he says almost immediately happens, but only in Turkey. This does not stop him to order doing something about that stupid foreign press, and all his advisors think is to ask the German govt to suppress free press in Germany.<p>Expect more from him in the coming months since he&#x27;s on a ride to the top of idiocy.
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thirdsun大约 9 年前
As a german I really have to wonder what&#x27;s wrong with our government if we continue to cozy up to Erdogan&#x27;s turkey.<p>I really don&#x27;t think having turkey as a migration buffer is worth paying the price of making the european union look like a club you can buy your way into regardless of ethics. What&#x27;s the use of values if we&#x27;re starting to ignore them so easily?
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elthran大约 9 年前
I wonder how much more of this sort of thing has to go on before the media begins widespread use of the word &quot;dictator&quot; for Erdogan? Illegal criticism, seizing opposition media, violent oppression of minorities, potential election shenanigans - I can imagine next he&#x27;ll appoint himself President for Life and rename the it the People&#x27;s Republic of Turkey.<p>I feel the same thing applies to Putin, but we&#x27;ll never see the term used due to the immense power he and his Russia wield internationally when compared to small fry Turkey
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darklajid大约 9 年前
The (funny, in my world) reaction of the show on Twitter is translated literally in the article:<p>Mr. Erdogan brandishing a fire extinguisher at a laptop, while threatening, “Either you erase this video, or I will extinguish the Internet.”<p>In German &#x27;löschen&#x27; does mean to extinguish a fire (as the cartoon implies with the fire extinguisher), but more generally this is what you&#x27;d use for &#x27;delete&#x27; in most&#x2F;all cases.<p>So while the translation is certainly correct, the double meaning of &#x27;I will delete the internet&#x27; is lost.<p>1: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;extra3&#x2F;status&#x2F;714804805798068225" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;extra3&#x2F;status&#x2F;714804805798068225</a>
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alexandrerond大约 9 年前
I&#x27;m always wondering, how does a country that venerates Atatürk (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Mustafa_Kemal_Atat%C3%BCrk" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Mustafa_Kemal_Atat%C3%BCrk</a>) and was concious of the values around which he built modern Turkey, can retrace its steps back and undo all that took so much effort to get.<p>Modern Turkey was built on openness, education, strong secularization and liberal values (in 1934 already they granted women full political rights, way before many others). Now we see a country which has drifted towards the most rancid nationalism and authoritarianism.<p>It&#x27;s a pity really. Turkey enjoys so many geographical and cultural advantages (being the door between Europe and Asia), that had it steered towards the modern democracy path by keeping Atatürk&#x27;s legacy alive, it would have easily become a notable member of the EU and a major player in the stability of the region.
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froh42大约 9 年前
The satire show is reacting with more satire. Extra 3 made Mr. Erdogan employee of the month.<p><a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.ndr.de&#x2F;fernsehen&#x2F;sendungen&#x2F;extra_3&#x2F;extra-3-Der-Irrsinn-der-Woche,sendung494848.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.ndr.de&#x2F;fernsehen&#x2F;sendungen&#x2F;extra_3&#x2F;extra-3-Der-Ir...</a><p>Oh and the song with english subtitles: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=R2e2yHjc_mc" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=R2e2yHjc_mc</a>
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tychuz大约 9 年前
<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Streisand_effect" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Streisand_effect</a>
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erikb大约 9 年前
Is there anybody discussing that there may be a logic behind this decision? E.g. Erdogan pressures German publicly to gain advantange in some other discussions with Germany. Or maybe he wants to gain a stronger following among his people and they like when he starts a fight with a stronger country, and he needs that stronger following because his political opposition is quite strong. Something like that?<p>I can&#x27;t believe that he really expected Germany and&#x2F;or German people to back down about such a topic.
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Mithaldu大约 9 年前
Something i haven&#x27;t seen mentioned much is that the tv station this show is on, is a public broadcasting station paid for with taxes via the german government. While it turns out there are laws in place that ensure the government cannot influence program, it is fairly easy to understand how Erdogan could take this combination of being mocked by a state tv station wrongly, and get the impression that contacting the ambassador is the right step.
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tim333大约 9 年前
Go satire! I think Turkey briefly had the record for most journalists jailed around 2013 but has been overtaken. I&#x27;m glad the internet makes such things less effective.<p><a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nytimes.com&#x2F;2013&#x2F;12&#x2F;19&#x2F;world&#x2F;europe&#x2F;turkey-jailing-the-most-journalists.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nytimes.com&#x2F;2013&#x2F;12&#x2F;19&#x2F;world&#x2F;europe&#x2F;turkey-jailin...</a>
PythonicAlpha大约 9 年前
Are we already at the same point of history, as it was 1933?<p>Western democracies are unable to protect democracy or even stand for democratic rights. Instead they are more fearful about some refugees.<p>Who does not learn from history, is doomed to repeat it.
fiatmoney大约 9 年前
It has particularly nasty resonances when Erdogan is alternately threatening to unleash massive population flows of middle eastern migrants into Germany and the rest of the continent, and offering to help &quot;solve&quot; the problem for the right payoff. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.stratfor.com&#x2F;analysis&#x2F;eu-and-turkey-reach-tenuous-immigration-agreement" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.stratfor.com&#x2F;analysis&#x2F;eu-and-turkey-reach-tenuou...</a><p>Rather reminiscent of &quot;Finlandization&quot; during the Cold War. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Finlandization#Self-censorship_and_excessive_Soviet_adaptation" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Finlandization#Self-censorship...</a>
seivan大约 9 年前
How can you be a leader of a country and not be aware of the Streisand effect or whatever it&#x27;s called in Turkey related to whoever try to pull those stunts last time.
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gorkemyurt大约 9 年前
Erdogan is loving this New York Times article right now.. This is exactly what he needs.. A so called non-muslim enemy to rally his supporters against her. Somehow he made his supporters believe USA Russia Iran and Israel are all supporters of PKK (Kurds) at the same time. Turks on average read 1 book every 10 years. I don&#x27;t blame Erdogan, I blame the generation came before us not to educate themselves.
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aburan28大约 9 年前
Turkey is literally the United State&#x27;s worse ally of the last quarter of a century besides Saudi Arabia. If it weren&#x27;t for the geo-strategical importance and a base for US tactical nukes Turkey would be 3rd world if the US stopped it&#x27;s unconditional support of Turkey&#x27;s shenanigans
waylandsmithers大约 9 年前
Maybe I&#x27;m reading too deep into this, but something about how the writer put this story together makes me think it is an allegory for what could happen if Trump becomes president.
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golemotron大约 9 年前
The Streisand Effect is very powerful. Erdogan might get a clue.<p>I don&#x27;t hold as much hope for people on who, counter to their stated aims, Streisand people into prominence by no-platforming them.
whatok大约 9 年前
<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.rt.com&#x2F;usa&#x2F;337782-erdogan-security-protest-washington&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.rt.com&#x2F;usa&#x2F;337782-erdogan-security-protest-washi...</a><p>Screaming “Terrorist Erdogan” and displaying homemade signs, a group of protesters are approached by members of the Turkish president’s security detail, who then proceed to comically yell and drown out the negative chants.
aluhut大约 9 年前
Funny how this seems to be the first thing in the refugee crisis that reunites the right and left-wing bandwagons. Even if the right-wing wagon should support Erdogan but they can&#x27;t since he&#x27;s turkish&#x2F;muslim&#x2F;whatever.<p>Böhmermann killed that freedom today with his song though ;)
tempodox大约 9 年前
Funny how someone like Erdogan can be so eminently stupid.
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ryan606大约 9 年前
The Streisand Effect in action. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Streisand_effect" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Streisand_effect</a>
franzpeterstein大约 9 年前
why show me nyt on my smartphone a login, but on desktop nothin&#x27;?
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armaxt大约 9 年前
Why is it hard to understand that islam and western values just can NOT coexist?<p>Why is it hard to understand that &quot;real&quot; muslims are convinced that western values are simply weaknesses that must be quickly exploited to destroy the western civilization?
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