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Side Projects

238 点作者 pointnova大约 9 年前

24 条评论

patio11大约 9 年前
There is a thriving community &#x2F; ecosystem of people doing side projects. It is big enough to support conferences. I&#x27;m making my annual pilgrimmage tomorrow to Vegas to attend Microconf, where ~600 people selling software over the Internet are going to be shooting the breeze and talking conversion rates, email marketing, and Slack integrations.<p>As far as I&#x27;m aware, only one attendee has been acquired by Yahoo. HN is aware of <i>maybe</i> 10 of them. The next 200? You don&#x27;t know about them for the same reason you don&#x27;t know about Petersen Underwriters or Shiodome Accounting. (<i>Who?</i> The most recent two businesses which have had their yearly revenue chart moved not-at-all when I cut them a $1k+ check.)<p>It has not gotten harder to do side projects. Back in 2006, over 25% of my launch budget was to send a fax internationally to send a paper contract to eSellerate (remember them?) for payment processing. These days Stripe exists, and it is better all around.<p>It has not gotten harder to do web development since 2004. Remember when your only options were shared hosting for $4 a month on servers which had two nines of uptime or buying a Dell and learning what colocation meant? These days you can get a reliably hosted VPS for ~$20.<p>Remember when your only option for interactive scripts on the Internet was teaching yourself perl and &#x2F;cgi-bin&#x2F;? Rails exists now. Rails is a much, much more productive environment.<p>Remember when shareware marketing consisted of paying $200 to magazines so you could get a little ad in the back of them and pray that 20+ people bought your think, such that 20 * $25 &gt; $200? These days you do scalable online marketing approaches and sell products which have the same technical complexity as $25 shareware but, crucially, have LTVs in the mid-thousands or higher. (SaaS billing!)
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WA大约 9 年前
&gt; I suspect that some of that is the effort to build and launch something that can reach broad adoption is harder.<p>No, it&#x27;s just that getting attention is a lot harder. Side projects – by its very nature – are exactly that: Some stuff happening on the side and the trash can is an even more certain path than for most startups.<p>Without any visibility, side projects won&#x27;t turn into companies. This doesn&#x27;t mean that there are no side projects. There are probably more than ever, because everybody tries to get into the startup hamster wheel with their little idea.
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infodroid大约 9 年前
Contrary to what this VC believes, it is NOT okay to expect someone to &quot;work 60 hours a week at Facebook and then another 40 hours a week on your side project&quot;. Because starting a business should not be founded on giving up your personal life. Quitting your job to focus on your idea full-time is a perfectly reasonable expectation. Investors need to start doing their homework instead of pushing founders to the burnout limit.
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thedevil大约 9 年前
I do side projects for different reasons: they&#x27;re a great way to express my creativity.<p>I can create my very own unique solution to a problem, rather than just being a cog in someone else&#x27;s machine.<p>Edit: not that I mind being a cog if I get a paycheck, but it&#x27;s not as awesome as creating something new<p>Edit2: and quitting my day job and raising capital would screw everything up for most projects.
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chatmasta大约 9 年前
He raises a good point that the &quot;barrier to entry&quot; to creating even a side project is getting harder and harder for one person to attain in their spare time.<p>Nowadays an MVP needs to be fairly polished to be useful at all, and often needs to support multiple platforms. And, CRUCIALLY, if you&#x27;re asking for people&#x27;s money, there is an expectation of ongoing support. If the business is visibly a side project, clients will be unlikely to purchase from it over a competitor that has a dedicated team working on a similar product. How do your customers know that your side project will not disappear tomorrow?<p>I suspect there is a &quot;chilling effect&quot; that causes a sort of paralysis in developers who are not ready to release their side project unless it&#x27;s &quot;perfect,&quot; because they need to build the product well enough that it does not require constantly supporting customers, responding to help-desk tickets, etc. An MVP is not enough to get real customers on a side project, simply because the barebones nature of it will amplify the support costs, causing strain on the developer and taking time away from perfecting the product.
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tyre大约 9 年前
Side projects also help diversify your perspective. As a founder, I don&#x27;t want people who are 100% invested in one thing. It sounds good at first, but you run into burnout and narrow-mindedness very quickly.<p>How can you be expected to see your product, company, mission, etc. as part of a larger world if it is your entire world? Most people I meet in SV cannot, and a large part appears to be what percent of their life is wrapped up in their work.
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avip大约 9 年前
If you put your life on hold for a year, build that side project, then go pitching to VCs with your MVP and 100 users - you&#x27;ll be negotiating same terms and seed as if you had never built it.<p>Skipping that garage weekends step makes good sense. Good for your health, good for the project. Only not so good for VCs...
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baus大约 9 年前
Unfortunately many employment agreements prohibit side projects.
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acconrad大约 9 年前
This is a great point - experimentation is <i>huge</i> and a big part of my own growth as an entrepreneur. To me I feel better knowing my side project work isn&#x27;t sucking up someone&#x27;s money when it doesn&#x27;t work out, and I&#x27;m building my programming skills. If a project will truly work, it will rise to the surface and be better than the others, all while building on the skills from my previous projects.
emehrkay大约 9 年前
Who is giving out 250k in seed money these days? Asking for a friend.
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encoderer大约 9 年前
My co-founder and started Cronitor as a side project, now I usually call it a side business. I&#x27;d consider a seed round, and angel investors have told us we could raise money at a 7-figure valuation. I&#x27;m sure we could grow faster, but I also enjoy it for what it is: passive-ish income. We develop features because we want to, and we&#x27;ve built a stable service with few operational problems and minimal customer service demands. I say, let the side projects roll.
Sapph大约 9 年前
I think the beauty of side projects is it&#x27;s a low pressure way for people to put their idea out in the world and see what happens. Only difference between a hobby and side project is most side projects start off with a slightly more defined potential to monetize it.<p>And if the project pans out, great! If not, hopefully the side project was you doing something you love anyway so you still had fun and gained a lot of experience.<p>The fact it&#x27;s now easier (cheaper startup costs for many types of work) to start side projects is a boon for the rest of us. It means every once in a while, someone who would never had considered starting a biz right away but would create something for fun may end up bringing a truly valuable product or service to the world.<p>I started my biz (<a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.artofemails.com" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.artofemails.com</a>) as a side project. I think seeing it as a side project in the very beginning freed me from feeling I had to do market validation and the whole launch a biz laundry list to just put it (in my case sales email templates) out there. Once it was up and I got really positive feedback, that&#x27;s when I committed to growing it as a fully fledged business.
thedogeye大约 9 年前
Flexport started as a side project. Nobody noticed us until we had enough traction to make it my full time job.
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soneca大约 9 年前
Why sucking crowd money through Kickstarter is acceptable but sucking seed money from a professional is not?
jkot大约 9 年前
I disagree wit article. Today there are way more entrepreneurs who turned their side project into business. But today its not about huge &quot;scalable&quot; startup, but more relaxed lifestyle business. And most projects are build within existing system (youtube channel, amazon seller...), so they hide under radar where every business is independent website.
myth_drannon大约 9 年前
I have a feeling that the perceived lack of &quot;product&quot; side projects corellates to the rise of Github and &quot;open-source contributions&quot; as a requirement to get a tech interview? People spend all their hobby energy trying to build github portfolios that most of the time is just libraries or contributions to libraries.
dkopi大约 9 年前
On the other hand, you have paul graham&#x27;s great post about the top idea in your mind. &quot;It&#x27;s hard to do a really good job on anything you don&#x27;t think about in the shower.&quot;: <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.paulgraham.com&#x2F;top.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.paulgraham.com&#x2F;top.html</a>
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educar大约 9 年前
There is a notion that seed funding is very easy to find. Is this really true for normal people ? Does &#x27;facebook&#x27; tag somehow magically attrach money these days? How does one begin this process ? Most of my friends are engineers and I know nobody in my friend circle who has raised a seed round.
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draw_down大约 9 年前
Easy to quit and get seed funding, sure. But when it&#x27;s time to raise an A round...
sideproject大约 9 年前
People are building&#x2F;running&#x2F;coding side projects more than ever before! I run sideprojectors.com (<a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.sideprojectors.com" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.sideprojectors.com</a>) - it&#x27;s a place where people can sell&#x2F;buy&#x2F;show off side projects and we&#x27;ve been receiving increasing number of side projects over the last few years. To my surprise, a lot of projects are also getting sold. Whether they go on to become big companies or not, I&#x27;m not sure - but many are building stuff.
lowglow大约 9 年前
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abalashov大约 9 年前
My personal experience working full-time and working on side projects over several years in my early twenties has led me to a relatively pessimistic take on the idea, at least from the perspective of realistically building something serious and taking it to market. It wasn&#x27;t until I actually quit (more precisely, got fired) and went out on my own that I was able to produce anything non-trivial, although I&#x27;m entirely bootstrapped and never took any investment.<p>Some of it might just be that I had demanding jobs. It&#x27;s true that the network service provider arena is particularly 24&#x2F;7. However, I went through half a dozen jobs between 18 and 22, and some afforded me plenty of free time outside the 9-5. With the easy jobs, I was demoralised, frustrated and&#x2F;or bored, which didn&#x27;t lead to a lot of spiritual energy for pursuing side projects diligently. With the more intense jobs, I was so busy that I had to try to squeeze in my side projects in the after-10 PM bracket. This all presumed no social life to speak of, by the way; the moment life even vaguely threatened social engagements, it was all out the window. Worse yet, staying up till 5 AM working on my side projects and trying to make it in at 9 AM for my actual job wasn&#x27;t sustainable. It was arguably the immediate reason that led to my firing from the last job I actually had. It&#x27;s not just a time thing, of course; sitting in an office all day is draining, even if one&#x27;s job isn&#x27;t very demanding. Even with my bright-eyed, bushy-tailed energy at 20, I often came home exhausted and would often spend my side project time just looking at the screen without getting much done. And, as I said, this is _without_ factoring in any other concerns whatsoever -- social life, personal life, working out, errands, grocery shopping, etc.<p>Anyway, maybe some people can do it, but in my view, this is no way to build something serious. I didn&#x27;t start really making progress until I could afford to go &quot;all in&quot; with my time and energy. Also, it&#x27;s important to remember that one is competing with folks who _do_ have the luxury of working on their venture on a full time-ish basis. That&#x27;s quadruply important if go-to-market time is a serious linchpin of the venture.<p>Of course, the problem of bootstrapping while having a relatively high personal expense base is that the inevitable consulting required to support it sucks up all of one&#x27;s time in the same way the day job used to (but with much higher economic stress and cash flow volatility), so it&#x27;s not that going into business for myself opened up unparalleled opportunities to build product, either. However, even so, it beat grinding myself to powder.<p>EDIT: In one of my less intense jobs, I tried the approach of crashing out as soon as I came home (e.g. 7 PM) and waking up at 2 AM to spend my &quot;best hours&quot; on development. The actual day job could have the sloppy seconds; it wasn&#x27;t a development job and didn&#x27;t ask much of me. That was all good and fine, as long as one is comfortable with exactly two modes of existence: sleeping or sitting at a computer.
mode80大约 9 年前
I think for every delicious side project that succeeds &quot;in spite of itself&quot; there are 10 side projects who don&#x27;t fulfill their destiny of greatness -- because they&#x27;re missing the dedication ingredient that most startups require.
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dreamdu5t大约 9 年前
Maybe it&#x27;s that more side-projects are being bootstrapped rather than VC funded? It doesn&#x27;t seem Fred Wilson has thought about that.