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Facebook is King, Other Networks Fight for Scraps

144 点作者 etr71115大约 9 年前

21 条评论

greg___大约 9 年前
I have visited a local community center event website for 15 years. They recently moved over to Facebook. Their feed is public. If I don&#x27;t have the FB app or am not logged into FB, it&#x27;s almost as if there is an entire division of losers, sitting around at Facebook cooking up ways to make me login or install the app. From are you a robot unreadable captcha&#x27;s, to denying the page exists, to limiting the number of posts, limiting readable post content, its ridiculous.<p>Whether they are king or not, all I am ever going to remember them for is taking a gigantic shit over what the Internet is supposed to mean.
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skywhopper大约 9 年前
The selection of websites listed is sort of weird. Buzzfeed I get but the others aren&#x27;t high on my radar. I&#x27;m guessing the graphs would look different with different websites to analyze.<p>But more than that, this analysis sort of presents a tautology. Yes, Facebook is king of Facebook-style sharing. No one is surprised. What, you say Pinterest doesn&#x27;t have a ton of National Geographic articles shared compared to Facebook? Not a surprise, given the nature of Pinterest. Twitter is also not the same sort of social network. LinkedIn? Google+? These are not the same sorts of sites at all.<p>Meanwhile, the article totally ignores Tumblr, Snapchat, and who knows what other sites I know nothing about.<p>In summary, Facebook has won at being Facebook. Other sites have different purposes, and their users use them differently.
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Raphmedia大约 9 年前
Tell that to tweens and teens. Yes, they are on it, but they don&#x27;t spend time browsing it. They are social in other apps.
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sulam大约 9 年前
I have trouble believing that G+ outstrips Twitter when it comes to social sharing. I think there is likely something at play other than that which isn&#x27;t captured by this analysis. For instance, Twitter doesn&#x27;t auto load articles the way G+ and FB do, so perhaps there is a distinction to be made there. At any rate, if G+ was this successful, I think we can all agree Google wouldn&#x27;t have killed &#x2F; pivoted it, which means the data is suspect in some way.
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petewailes大约 9 年前
It&#x27;s an interesting piece, but I&#x27;d be more interested in analysis looking at the why behind that. What is it about the audience on the site, and the way the sites are presenting their content that is driving the non-FB sharing? Obviously this would need to be done with more sites than just those here. However, for a quick analysis, I nosed around three...<p>Billboard have Facebook and Twitter sharing buttons on their articles, but not G+, so it&#x27;s fair to assume that the G+ sharing is going on on the G+ platform, not from the site itself.<p>Similarly, hovering over any image on TipHero presents share buttons for Facebook and Pinterest, and the bottom of their articles present a huge Share on Facebook button. However, no Twitter share button means they&#x27;re getting nothing from that, and presumably not interacting in any way on G+ either.<p>There&#x27;s a similar story again with Bleacher Report, which has Facebook and Twitter buttons (but interestingly no Twitter shares - possibly the wrong audience?), the same for every image, and Facebook, Twitter and G+ share buttons at the base of each article.<p>I think the takeaways from this are, Facebook is massive and cannot be ignored if you&#x27;re publishing content, whilst everything else is dependent on whether or not your audience is there. But even if they are, the numbers in terms of engagement is going to be vastly lower, so can&#x27;t be a priority.<p>My concern with this would be that, given that that&#x27;s the case, this becomes a dynamo for Facebook, as the more they become the dominant platform, the less time anyone will spend working to build an audience anywhere else. Possibly Twitter is an exception to this, depending on the publication, but I wouldn&#x27;t bet the farm on it.
nickbauman大约 9 年前
Remember In-Q-Tel, the CIA&#x27;s VC firm (let that sink in for a moment) was one of the earliest investors in Facebook.
dredmorbius大约 9 年前
While measurement, methodology, and focus were different (my goal was seeking intelligent discussion online), the results may be of interest.<p>I ran Google searches across multiple domains representing major social media networks, publications, and a few other classes of sites including academic institutions, government, and various foreign TLDs.<p>Search terms were names from the <i>Foreign Policy</i> Top 100 Global Thinkers list (selected as representative of more intellectual dicussion), the arbitrarily selected text string &quot;Kim Kardashian&quot; as negative indicator, and a search for the word &quot;this&quot; (a common English word) to get a proxy for total English-language content on a given site or domain.<p>Facebook dominated by total count, though s&#x2F;n as represented by the FP:KK index (see link) was highest at Metafilter, with Reddit doing admirably. Blogs though had very nearly as much content as FB and generally far more length and relevance.<p>My read is that there&#x27;s an untapped market for meaningful discussion on blogs from whoever manages to solve the problems of discoverability, discussion, relevance, reputation, and spam.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.reddit.com&#x2F;r&#x2F;dredmorbius&#x2F;comments&#x2F;3hp41w&#x2F;tracking_the_conversation_fp_global_100_thinkers&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.reddit.com&#x2F;r&#x2F;dredmorbius&#x2F;comments&#x2F;3hp41w&#x2F;trackin...</a>
abpavel大约 9 年前
Should add &quot;in the English speaking world&quot;. Baidu, vkontakte, etc. have their own regional powers.
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brador大约 9 年前
People underestimate how quickly Facebook could be overtaken. Look at Whatsapp and ask yourself what if Facebook hadn&#x27;t purchased them when they did?<p>It is inevitable that someday something will fly under the radar or an owner will be unwilling to sell.
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erikb大约 9 年前
I think this kind of analysis is not worth much. Not that it was done badly (I&#x27;m not good enough to judge that). In every market you have two kinds of profitable companies: The market leader who owns the huge thing. And you have niches. Both of them can be very profitable but in different ways.<p>HN is certainly no social leader, but I would consider it a huge success. And while it may not even make money in a direct way, it&#x27;s a huge part of the success of the brand YCombinator. Are these scraps? I don&#x27;t think so. In fact, given the choice, I&#x27;d rather work at HN than at FB. I&#x27;d rather own shares of YC as well (in that regard YC may even be too big for what I like). And as you can see right now, I&#x27;d rather talk to people here than on FB as well.
chrischen大约 9 年前
Facebook is still living mostly off its network effects. It&#x27;s still not King in many Foregn markets, and I&#x27;m not even counting China since they are explicitly blocked there. So they don&#x27;t necessarily have product superiority, just network effects.
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alistproducer2大约 9 年前
Side note: The conversion of the bar chart y-axis from linear to logarithmic made logarithmic graphs &quot;click&quot; for me. Goes to show you, you can learn something when you least expect it.
haddr大约 9 年前
I wonder if such result might be a result of some methodological error (not representative sample, some metric calculations biases, click frauds, etc). Otherwise this is rather sad article :(
larakerns大约 9 年前
The inability to monitor their whole network for scam advertising might cripple facebook&#x27;s dominance as their main revenue source becomes less trusting but the scale of their operations relies on that consistent revenue:<p>More on the ad scams: <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.buzzfeed.com&#x2F;sapna&#x2F;say-no-to-the-dress" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.buzzfeed.com&#x2F;sapna&#x2F;say-no-to-the-dress</a>
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danbruc大约 9 年前
If nothing unexpected happens, Facebook will be dead by 2020 [1].<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.google.com&#x2F;trends&#x2F;explore#q=facebook" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.google.com&#x2F;trends&#x2F;explore#q=facebook</a>
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Animats大约 9 年前
From an advertiser perpective, there&#x27;s Google, there&#x27;s Facebook, and there&#x27;s everybody else. Ignoring everybody else doesn&#x27;t seem to reduce sales.
Hoasi大约 9 年前
King, yes, for the time being maybe; yet I can&#x27;t help but think Facebook&#x27;s presence &#x2F; dominance will wane eventually.
acd大约 9 年前
This not true. Facebook is not king any more. Do a Google trends comparison and you will find that peak Facebook was in 2013.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.google.com&#x2F;trends&#x2F;explore#q=%2Fm%2F0glpjll%2C%20%2Fm%2F0h3tm0f%2C%20%2Fm%2F0289n8t%2C%20%2Fm%2F02y1vz&amp;cmpt=q&amp;tz=Etc%2FGMT-2" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.google.com&#x2F;trends&#x2F;explore#q=%2Fm%2F0glpjll%2C%20...</a>
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xufi大约 9 年前
There was a time when Twitter wanted to be king and Snapchat and well Fb sure dominated them all
ypeterholmes大约 9 年前
Seems remiss not to include reddit in this analysis no?
meeper16大约 9 年前
Google is King.<p>- Gmail 1bil users - Youtube billions - Search - Android - Self Driving cars<p>and the list goes on including an order of magnitude greater in revenue.<p>Facebook is the friendster, geocities the next AOL etc.<p>Google is a real technology company.
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