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Blizzard shutting down Nostalrius, popular WoW private server

262 点作者 bbunqq大约 9 年前

21 条评论

Meekro大约 9 年前
I used to be involved with this sort of thing, and it&#x27;s actually pretty interesting stuff. There are enormous open source projects, operating largely out of public sight, that have recreated the WoW server backend in most of its glory. The lower-level content works quite well these days, though a lot of complex raid scripts are missing or broken.<p>This one is probably the most popular: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;TrinityCore&#x2F;TrinityCore" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;TrinityCore&#x2F;TrinityCore</a><p>It&#x27;s pretty rare for Blizzard to go after these companies in court, but it&#x27;s happened here and there. Look up &quot;Blizzard Entertainment, Inc. v. Alyson Reeves&quot; if you&#x27;re curious what such a lawsuit looks like! Every patch since Lich King, though, has attacked these reverse engineers on the technical front by adding layers upon layers of obfuscation to the protocol. That&#x27;s had some effect, and many private servers have stuck with the old Burning Crusade or Lich King releases.
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bbunqq大约 9 年前
Here&#x27;s a petition written by the Nost team asking to legalize Legacy servers: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.change.org&#x2F;p&#x2F;michael-morhaime-legacy-server-among-world-of-warcraft-community?recruiter=10263686&amp;utm_source=share_petition&amp;utm_medium=copylink" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.change.org&#x2F;p&#x2F;michael-morhaime-legacy-server-amon...</a>
sergiotapia大约 9 年前
Wow, this is eerie for me! I literally just sat down on my computer to create an account to play on Nostalrius and see this on HackerNews.<p>Talk about synchronicity!<p>Here&#x27;s a neat info graphic of what Nostalrius had achieved (found on &#x2F;r&#x2F;wow): <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;i.imgur.com&#x2F;jxtOQlu.jpg" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;i.imgur.com&#x2F;jxtOQlu.jpg</a>
minimaxir大约 9 年前
&gt; Today is also the day where Nostalrius will start being community-driven in the truest sense of the word, as we will be releasing the source code, and anonymized players data (encrypting personal account data)<p>This will be interesting. Apparently, there are open source reverse-engineerings of the old WoW code already, but having them release the source code may allow for some interesting applications.<p>I&#x27;d love to play around with that data dump as well.
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goda90大约 9 年前
My friend logged on last night to see the response to the decision and found a huge number of players online. They were gathering together and mourning, doing things together one last time. It&#x27;s kinda sad to think about a community destroyed.
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marak830大约 9 年前
I learnt programming from running an ultimate online server back in the day.<p>A little sad to seeing an(I assume), open source server like this being taken down.<p>As an admin we use to run on the premise of, if we weren&#x27;t told not to run it, we could. Probably not 100% legal but it seemed to work.<p>It does make me wonder if they take the server down, is it because their subscription dropping so much?
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unknownzero大约 9 年前
It&#x27;s worth noting amidst all the debate about whether it&#x27;s feasible or worthwhile to offer older versions of the game as server options, blizzard has already done this for a long time with Diablo 2. You could (can still) choose to play classic or expansion on the legit battle net servers, and both had ( possibly still have ) vibrant communities. So it&#x27;s not like this would be particularly novel as an idea to them, I&#x27;m surprised they haven&#x27;t done it with wow already.
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darkstalker大约 9 年前
I used to work for a private server that shut down in 2010 (Phoenix Wow). It was my first exposure ever to a big code base, teamwork with version control and some reverse engineering. The &quot;cores&quot; were usually forks of the Mangos project (TrinityCore, R2) written in C++ and pretty unstable (uptime was usually only hours). If Rust existed in that era it would&#x27;ve been much better.
EugeneOZ大约 9 年前
My opinion is not popular, but I think Blizzard are absolutely right in this case, by many reasons (not only because of money).
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clevernickname大约 9 年前
Suddenly Blizzard&#x27;s April Fools tweet seems cruel.<p><i>Re-Live the old worlds of warcraft with our legacy servers coming this june!</i><p><i>Starting with vanilla!</i><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;Blizzard_EN&#x2F;status&#x2F;716004308043624448" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;Blizzard_EN&#x2F;status&#x2F;716004308043624448</a>
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hoodoof大约 9 年前
Seems the classy thing to do would have been for Blizzard to ask politely instead of sending in the dogs.
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thedudemabry大约 9 年前
Something that to some small degree worries me is that video game preservation is all but impossible for online-only services. WoW and its ilk have played a large role in the evolution of video games, but in ten years we&#x27;re unlikely to be able to recreate anything like the experience of playing the game at any stage.<p>I don&#x27;t think there&#x27;s a good solution, especially without market leaders such as Blizzard, Sony, or NCSoft taking a pro-preservation stance. Legislation to protect the rights of reverse-engineers seems troublesome, and existing copyright law makes any kind of expiration period ineffective.
soared大约 9 年前
A lot of commenters are suggesting a server that runs old patches, like Jagex and RS. This is essentially the definition of cannibalization and almost never a good idea. IMO Jagex only got away with it because they explicitly released a new version of the game that was totally different. Unless WoW&#x27;s next expansion is WoW 2.0 with totally different mechanics, I don&#x27;t see them hosting an old server.
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drunkcatsdgaf大约 9 年前
I had a feeling this was gonna happen when I saw blizzard shilling WoW on reddit the other day and these guys were all over the comments promoting.
jmnicolas大约 9 年前
A bit off topic but anybody knows what kind of stack Blizzard is using for WOW ?
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jackgolding大约 9 年前
Wonder if the popularity of Nostalrius will cause Blizzard to do a Jagex inspired re-release of vanilla or the burning crusade? Not sure if I have the commitment but it would certainly be nostalgic.
Aoyagi大约 9 年前
I like how there are two versions of the title<p>&gt;popular WoW private server<p>&gt;popular WoW pirate server
MichaelBurge大约 9 年前
I wonder if it makes sense to charge the monthly subscription for the client, rather than the server. That way you could play on whatever server you want, but still had to pay a monthly fee.
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jayhuang大约 9 年前
A bit late to this discussion (understatement I know), but running this type of private game server was partially what got me in this industry. In my case, I was running relatively successful Maplestory private servers back in 2008, on the order of 12,000~15,000 concurrent users.<p>Hundreds, probably thousands of these servers cropped up overnight after the first &quot;core&quot; was created, and many many variations of that core quickly followed. At some point, many of us in the private server community caught wind of Nexon (creators of Maplestory) going after certain kids for their private servers. This was an everyday occurrence. Almost always, it was in the form of a Cease and Desist letter.<p>Many of these servers had &lt; 10~50 users concurrently and were run on home computers as many of us had non-existent budgets. Most servers were merely carbon copies of each other, as the owner would be able to create the server by using some reputable core and a setup guide. As with anything, a lot of traction was gained by servers that put development effort into adding their own touch into the game (alternative currencies like chickens, alternative bosses like Sonic the Hedgehog, and rebirth systems that let you utilize the skills of multiple character classes at once), and ones who were frequently engaging with their community and hosting in game events&#x2F;contests.<p>There were private server rankings. Everyone would be vying for votes to get to the top 3 and gain visibility, which invariably resulted in them receiving letters. Those of us that became significantly more popular and had players actively going out and advertising for us quickly came under the spotlight and received letters with the threat of legal action if not promptly shutdown.<p>In fact, these shutdown letters were such a big part of the scene at the time, that some popular servers got shutdown by competitors sending fake Cease and Desist letters (don&#x27;t ask how I know)...the response would typically be a quick and simple shutdown, waving goodbye to the community. Some owners with more skin in the game would deviously &quot;shutdown&quot; their server, then &quot;re-birth&quot; it as a different, smaller server since any communication sent in game was unlikely to be seen by Nexon. Few brave souls would post the Cease and Desist on their website while taunting and berating Nexon, though I never found out what happened to those guys.<p>Seeing this post brings back so many memories -- Honestly, a lot of time was wasted on that game but I would not be doing what I do today if it weren&#x27;t for the people I met while doing it (my next major project was with a friend of a dedicated player on my server). It was also lots of fun.
sickbeard大约 9 年前
Maybe blizzard might be getting ready to release a &quot;classic&quot; version of the game because the nostalgia is strong (even though they&#x27;ve publicly decried it many times).
odinduty大约 9 年前
I wonder if this will mean more and more servers are going to be sued. I&#x27;ve been playing on private servers since 2012, I play hours each day, and the future does not look very bright if this keeps happening I&#x27;m afraid...<p>Just two days ago I started my journey as a blood elf hunter :-)<p>The problem with private servers is that they seem to be addicted to OVH. I get it that it&#x27;s cheap, has nice routes and usually they don&#x27;t give a damn about what you host, but it&#x27;s a single point of failure. I wonder if many of those servers are about to move to Ukraine (Russia) or something like that :-)<p>Ah, and believe me, some of them make ludicrous amounts of money, have paid employees, etc. It&#x27;s not just a community. They all forked MaNGOS or TrinityCore and starting piling up their fixes on top of it (which they don&#x27;t have to share because it&#x27;s GPL, not AGPL), but some chose to pay their developers!<p>I&#x27;m happy to answer any questions about what it&#x27;s like to play on private servers or how some stuff works in the technical side, or the community, or whatever!
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