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Are the Russians Actually Behind the Panama Papers?

67 点作者 randomname2大约 9 年前

19 条评论

okasaki大约 9 年前
Is Clifford Gaddy sponsored by the CIA to discredit Russia?<p>from <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.brookings.edu&#x2F;research&#x2F;books&#x2F;2014&#x2F;mr-putin-2nd-edition" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.brookings.edu&#x2F;research&#x2F;books&#x2F;2014&#x2F;mr-putin-2nd-ed...</a><p>&gt; For anyone wishing to understand Russia’s evolution since the breakup of the Soviet Union and its trajectory since then, the book you hold in your hand is an essential guide. —John McLaughlin, former deputy director of U.S. Central Intelligence<p>Certainly more proof and more intuitively plausible than any theory presented in his article.
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lolc大约 9 年前
Pretty entertaining conspiracy theories in there. No single shred of evidence is provided beyond &quot;I think it would make sense for the Russians to do this&quot;. This guy seems to be much preoccupied with Russia. Oh wait he&#x27;s written books about the country.<p>Even if he had proof he wouldn&#x27;t have a point. There seems to be no end to the parade of people saying how &quot;our&quot; interests are harmed by these publications. If your org is corrupt, I want it to be destabilized. I want you to fear personal exposure.
havetocharge大约 9 年前
The author is focused on making a case that the Russians are behind the Panama Papers and have an ulterior motive. Not once he mentions that the behaviours the papers expose are criminal or otherwise negative. Even while discussing wrongdoing by Western parties, the Russians are implied to be more villainous.
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contemporary2u大约 9 年前
who released this info and for what reasons exactly will always be the question that i think will never be answered, but lets not forget that information itself seems to be legit. Iceland&#x27;s PM resignation confirms that, at least partially.<p>Everyone knows that Russia is corrupt up to the top. How? Pretty much every top politician (and their families) in russia own far more than can be purchased on a state salary. Spokes person for Kremlin is spotted wearing 700,000 Euro watch when his official salary is less than 1&#x2F;10 of that.<p>A lot of Russian government officials and their inner circles own multi-million dollar properties in: London, Spain, New York, Boston etc. Their families live in the west, their kids go to schools in usa and europe...<p>Panama papers disclose how these multi million bribes and shady dealings are accepted and how money is transferred and used to buy up assets overseas. Good old days of a bribe in a suitcase are gone... Its hard to fit $300mil of cash in a suitcase (well Italians would argue lol).<p>IT IS very suspicious that no high profile Americans were caught in this release... It is possible that USA players simply use different entities to set up shell corps and transfer money using different channels.
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madaxe_again大约 9 年前
A big part of the author&#x27;s logic is based on the assumption that this was a technically complex, state sponsored hack.<p>This was script-kiddie stuff - it could&#x27;ve been anyone from a teenager in Wisconsin to a couple of channers in Bangkok and Banjul in it for the lulz.<p>Anyway, any speculation on the source is just a distraction from the content.
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grokys大约 9 年前
Or to use the same logic, maybe the lack of Americans implicated in the Panama papers indicates the the US is behind them?
irixusr大约 9 年前
More speculation that confirms our theory without any evidence. *<p>The theory is &quot;we&#x27;re good. Anyone we don&#x27;t like is bad&quot;<p>The evidence collection goes &quot;confirms our theory, it&#x27;s true.&quot; Or &quot; Contradicts it, we either ignore it our dismiss it&quot;<p>Case in point, the unaoil scandal is much more serious than <i>anything</i> in these Panama papers, it involves &quot;the good guys&quot; and it&#x27;s largely forgotten a week after it release.<p>* ironically enough RT is (was?) pushing the theory that the CIA is behind it because there are no notable American on the list. So it&#x27;s a KGB&#x2F;CIA plot because Putin&#x2F;Americans come out relatively unscathed
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thedevil大约 9 年前
This reads like propaganda and misses what I consider a big question: why did Putin claim himself as &quot;the main target&quot; when the media wasn&#x27;t focused on him and there was no evidence really damning him?<p>It just raises questions rather than deflecting them. Putin does not seem so stupid. Why would he do this?<p>It&#x27;s like getting pulled over for a speeding ticket and saying &quot;I didn&#x27;t kill him, there&#x27;s no evidence, this is a plot against me&quot;.
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goodcanadian大约 9 年前
In short, I don&#x27;t know. An article like this is (almost) pure speculation and that&#x27;s all it can be. However, it is one of the more interesting things I&#x27;ve read about the &quot;Panama papers.&quot; Nothing in them is much of a surprise. Don&#x27;t get me wrong; I&#x27;m generally happy about the release, and I hope any blatant criminals are caught and prosecuted. That said, we all knew it was happening.
danbruc大约 9 年前
Not worth reading. Full of prejudices, logically inconsistent, a bit like a conspiracy theory.
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noir_lord大约 9 年前
As long as the stuff in them is true I&#x27;m only slightly interested about the source.<p>In fact the ideal arrangement for me as a non-government entity is all the government entities constantly smearing each other.<p>It would be nice to get more of the full picture at least.
dogma1138大约 9 年前
Nothing in these papers also show anything about me so I must be behind it, you caught me!
jug大约 9 年前
No way I am believing that. If I&#x27;d believe in consoiracies, I&#x27;d rather say it is a US leak... The USA is less involved here than Putin&#x27;s own government. Makes no sense. No, it is no excuse that Putin was already suspected, because these papers are further damaging as solid proof that he is surrounding himself with corruption. Not just rumors.
forgetsusername大约 9 年前
If the information is legitimate, who cares who was behind it?<p>If it was the Russians, why would we look at the leak as &quot;evil&quot; rather than praising them for doing so? Maybe more Americans should be leaking this sort of information.
lambdadmitry大约 9 年前
As a Russian citizen who is following the scandal (and Russian politics), I am a bit baffled by the article.<p>First, all of its reasoning will fall apart if we examine its premises.<p>&gt;there is no evidence of Putin’s direct involvement—not in any company involved in the leak, much less in criminal activity, theft, tax evasion, or money laundering. There are documents showing that some of his “friends” have moved “up to two billion dollars” through these Panama-based shell companies.<p>This isn&#x27;t true and the author is either deliberately lying or is simply misinformed. What we are talking here are $2b moving through the account in the name of a <i>professional cellist</i> Roldugin. Roldugin is a close friend of Putin and he already denied on record that he owns any big business besides his performances. Those $2b came from various shady deals such as:<p>- an agreement to buy a bunch of Rosneft stocks which is almost immediately terminated, with $750k in punitive damages being paid to a Roldugin&#x27;s company;<p>- an agreement to collect an outstanding debt of 4 billion roubles (around $50m) from Rostelekom (state-owned telecom company), which cost $1 (yeah, one dollar) to the offshore company;<p>- a shell company providing a debt of $6m to Roldugin&#x27;s offshore and forgiving it after a few months for $1.<p>A single deal like this is possible but improbable. Two billion dollars of such deals are impossible and they scream &quot;corruption&quot; and &quot;bribe&quot;, and there is no single official in Russia that will demand bribes of this order of magnitude except Putin. Even if it&#x27;s not him, either he is clueless (and the article in question doesn&#x27;t make sense) or he knows about it and is okay with it (and therefore he is involved).<p>&gt;But nothing in the Panama Papers reveals anything new about Putin. It is in fact far less of a story than has been alleged for a long time. For over 10 years, there have been suspicions that Putin has a vast personal fortune, claimed at first to be $20 billion, then $40, $70, even $100… And now all they find is “maybe” a couple of billion belonging to a friend?<p>This passage implies equality of &quot;allegations&quot; and documents detailing business transactions. I&#x27;m not sure if I even need to debunk this, but let&#x27;s recast it a bit: &quot;It&#x27;s widely alleged that 9&#x2F;11 was organized by the government because jet fuel can&#x27;t melt steel beams. Therefore, documents detailing CIA communication with 9&#x2F;11 terrorists are nothing new and aren&#x27;t a big deal&quot;. Does it even make sense?<p>&gt;A “friend of Putin” is linked to companies that channel a couple of billion dollars through the offshore companies. Why? To evade Russian taxes? Really? To conceal ownership? From whom? You don’t need an offshore registration to do that. To evade sanctions? That’s a credible reason, but it makes sense only if the companies were registered after mid-2014. Were they?<p>I like how the author waves away &quot;to conceal ownership&quot; part as if it&#x27;s a non-issue. It&#x27;s a pretty big deal because every dictator wants to a) have a backup plan and for this, they need a safe and anonymous place to hide their money away from their country and b) pass the money to their children so they can spend them somewhere. It&#x27;s not like you can just load up trucks with $50 bills in Kremlin. However, in general, Western countries don&#x27;t exactly support this and see such funds as a lever, so you need a concealment.<p>The rest of the article builds upon this premises, which are false. Therefore, it&#x27;s all false.<p>Second, what wonders me is the fact that some Westerners are fascinated by Putin and his cronies. It shows up in the way the author speaks about &quot;Russian hacking capabilities&quot; or Putin&#x27;s implied geopolitical prowess. No, there is nothing to be fascinated about. Those are people who are managed to waste a golden rain of oil money down the drain (just look at the photos of a typical 1m+ Russian city Omsk [1]) while destroying and corrupting every civic institute in the country. It&#x27;s a typical reactive behavior of a plutocratic rule that got lucky with oil prices and now tries to stay afloat while having no regard for a wellbeing of their own citizens. I don&#x27;t believe statesmen like this are even remotely worthy of admiration, and yet some do admire them. This is something beyond my understanding.<p>[1]: <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;varlamov.ru&#x2F;1637956.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;varlamov.ru&#x2F;1637956.html</a>
johnchristopher大约 9 年前
Now that&#x27;s funny, this morning radio headlines about the Panama papers were relaying rumors about how it&#x27;s America behind the divulgation to embarrass Russia and others.
Grue3大约 9 年前
Well, Putin himself claimed that Panama Papers are &quot;western propaganda&quot; so there&#x27;s no way for him to spin them as legitimate after that.
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cm2187大约 9 年前
This pure, raw speculation.
Cypher大约 9 年前
meaningless because our reporters are the ones looking at it and will choose what to publish.