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My Disastrous Experience with Ubuntu 14.04 LTS Trusty Thar (2015)

77 点作者 bmaupin大约 9 年前

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dkuntz2大约 9 年前
My biggest question is why does the author keep trying to use Ubuntu and Unity, and not just switch to a different distro.<p>My experience with Ubuntu has been really similar to his, 10.04 was the peak, I had a great setup with gnome 2, everything was fast and responsive, things worked, crashes happened very infrequently. Every release after it has seemed significantly worse than the previous ones. And I put the blame on Unity and Canonical forking every Gnome application to work with it.<p>Anecdotally, I play around with two VMs, a Debian one running Gnome, and an Ubuntu 14.04 one. The Debian VM has half the ram and processing power as the Ubuntu one, and still runs significantly faster. Gnome 3 is great, and if I were still running linux full time I&#x27;d use it as my DM.
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maxaf大约 9 年前
I&#x27;ve come back into the warm embrace of OpenBSD this year, and couldn&#x27;t be happier. On supported hardware (cheapo refurb ThinkPad T420) everything works out of the box. Suspend&#x2F;resume, graphics, Wi-Fi, sound, etc... Hibernate to disk works seamlessly despite full-disk encryption being present as well.<p>Everything Just Works (TM). I don&#x27;t care if Linux is a wee bit more performant or supports a wider range of hardware. Truth be told, I simply want to do my thing &amp; not think about the computer as such. I&#x27;m way past that age when &quot;they say it&#x27;s free, if you get it to run; the geeks say hey - that&#x27;s half the fun!&quot; (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=d85p7JZXNy8" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=d85p7JZXNy8</a>) was a viable approach to computing.
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nacs大约 9 年前
This is pretty much the opposite of my experience with Ubuntu vs Windows.<p>All of my hardware worked immediately after install on Linux whereas Windows required hunting down drivers.<p>Most impressive was that the suspend&#x2F;resume feature works perfectly in Ubuntu (and the suspend&#x2F;resume completes in 2-3 seconds) whereas in Windows, it goes into suspend after a good bit of crunching but never finishes the resume process (I hear the system fans&#x2F;drive wake but nothing else happens and requires a hard reset).
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zeveb大约 9 年前
I think the problem is that Canonical&#x27;s reach exceeds its grasp: it has some good ideas (and maybe even a few great ones), but it can&#x27;t drive them to completion. Moreover, while there&#x27;re willing to be revolutionary about some things, they don&#x27;t seem to be willing to take that as far as it could go (e.g. Unity breaks compatibility with lots of stuff, but fundamentally it&#x27;s the same WIMP interface one knew from the 1984 Mac). Finally, they have made it progressively more difficult over the years to tweak any parts of Ubuntu (try running a different window manager, or login manager, or …).<p>I finally got tired of Ubuntu&#x27;s far-but-not-far-enough, our-way-or-the-highway nature. Now I use Debian, with everything tuned and tweaked for the way I develop and use software. It&#x27;s modular enough, it&#x27;s good enough, it&#x27;s stable enough. I couldn&#x27;t be happier (although some days I think I&#x27;ll give Arch a shot …).
AdmiralAsshat大约 9 年前
I&#x27;ve tried at least 20 distros over the past six months (osboxes.org is really amazing for trying a bunch in pre-installed, VM form). My picks for the best combination of aesthetic and works-out-of-the-box were:<p>- Fedora Cinnamon (I&#x27;m using the Cinnamon version of Korora, which is Fedora with some packages and themes preinstalled to make it a little more user-friendly)<p>- Linux Mint<p>- LMDE (Linux Mint: Debian Edition, if the whole security and package-breaking thing scared you off the regular version)<p>- Kubuntu (KDE Plasma is a really, really nice desktop. I fully admit that I&#x27;m sticking with Cinnamon because I spent 20 years on Windows only and it feels more &quot;familiar&quot;)<p>I&#x27;ve also got Ubuntu Trusty + xfce on my Chromebook, but it&#x27;s running in a chroot and piggybacking off of the Chromebook&#x27;s native Linux support, so I don&#x27;t quite consider it a full install and can&#x27;t evaluate it&#x27;s &quot;out of the box&quot; support for hardware, etc.<p>I&#x27;m personally thrilled with having found Korora (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;kororaproject.org&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;kororaproject.org&#x2F;</a>). Fedora&#x27;s hardware support seems to be better than some of the other distros I&#x27;ve tried as far as getting stuff working out of the box, so being able to throw Cinnamon on top of that pretty much gives me everything I want, sans perhaps less native packaging availability than Debian&#x2F;Ubuntu.<p>elementaryOS would be somewhere up there, as I do like it, but I&#x27;m mostly just interested in the Pantheon desktop, which has been nearly impossible to get working on anything other than Ubuntu.
blakesterz大约 9 年前
This was a pretty interesting read. I&#x27;ve been using Trusty on a <i>desktop</i> (his problems are laptop, maybe somewhat different) for about 2 years as my primary machine. This is one of the lines that really stood out for me: &gt;&gt;How can a consumer figure that out? I <i>still</i> hit problems on this thing. Weird random problems, basic things that should just work, and sometimes just fail. I frequently think &quot;If I can&#x27;t get this to work without an hour of work, there&#x27;s no way this is ready to be widely used&quot;.
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techthroway443大约 9 年前
Is it just me or do most of his issues seem video related? In which case that would probably be a driver issue which would be poor vendor support and not necessarily a problem with Ubuntu.<p>Why not switch to onboard&#x2F;integrated video card and see if he notices any difference?
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lorenzhs大约 9 年前
The article is from January 2015, and the title should probably reflect that.
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blahkins大约 9 年前
I guess I am not the only one with the WiFi wont work after coming back from sleep&#x2F;suspend. Honestly there is a much faster solution that I found: close your laptop, let it go to sleep then open and wifi should be back. I am sure there is a cli that you can force restart but honestly this is probably just as fast :P<p>I didn&#x27;t quite finish this article as its a bit lenghthy and sort of drives the same point again and again &quot;Ubuntu sucks and has bugs, Unity sucks...and it sucks.&quot; yeah we get it, and you aren&#x27;t the first person to actually say it either. There are other Distros, other Desktop environments other then Unity (you can even get them prepackaged! I am not even going to google it but i am sure there is a modern 14.04 Kubuntu fork.). I guess the main point is that Canonical is trying to position themselves as a leader in terms of consumer end-user linux desktop OS vendor. And they are. Honestly even with its many bugs Ubuntu is usually the first choice of linux Distro for me personally is because of the usual catch22 with software: the bigger you are the bigger you get because people get familiar and because there is a wealth of information out there to help you if you do run into problems. Most software that is made cross OS compatible usually means its made compatible with Debian&#x2F;Ubuntu. And that is valuable.
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th0ma5大约 9 年前
Been running 14.04 on a hacked Chromebook, a Zbox, and an old iMac for more than a year and haven&#x27;t had any issues. Looking forward to 16.04!
willcodeforfoo大约 9 年前
I tried using Linux as my primary desktop mostly out of curiosity because I&#x27;m wondering what my options are as Apple continues to focus its efforts on iOS (c.f., the Mac buyers guide which paints a pretty bleak picture of the current state of Apple desktops and portables: <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;buyersguide.macrumors.com&#x2F;#Mac" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;buyersguide.macrumors.com&#x2F;#Mac</a>) and hopes that Docker performance would be as close to native as possible without a VM&#x2F;laggy shared folders in the way. Plus I had a spare PC laying around.<p>I didn&#x27;t give it as long as the OP, but it just took way too much time fiddling to get to a stable, working place and even then things weren&#x27;t as nice as on OS X with very little to no tweaking. HiDPI in particular is a mess, with support all over the place. OS X nails it. Plus there are some really great apps I use every day on OS X that there is no substitute for (Sketch, Tweetbot, Reeder, Alfred, and Photoshop come to mind.)<p>Even &quot;little&quot; things like font rendering is kind of a mess on Linux and really is a big deal if you are a developer staring at them all day or are a web developer and need to see what things look like with proper fonts installed.<p>I hope OS X sticks around for awhile or a worthy competitor appears. I&#x27;d think there is an opportunity for someone to create a great portable, a great desktop, and a great OS for both but I&#x27;m sure it pales in comparison to the tablet and mobile ecosystem.
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raverbashing大约 9 年前
I don&#x27;t think this is an issue with 14.04 only<p>Updating a Ubuntu install has been a &quot;surprise&quot;, some things start working, some others stop working<p>It seems there are two types of packages, the &quot;base system&quot; (kernel, libs, etc) which is rock-solid but anything that gives &quot;user friendliness&quot; is a crapshoot
jopython大约 9 年前
I converted to Ubuntu 9 years ago and it has been my Home desktop ever since. I cannot be more satisfied. Yes, I have tried the filth that is Win XP, Vista, 7 and what not, during these years only to go back to Ubuntu. I am currently in 14.04. I wonder how much better it can get in 16.04?!
matt_wulfeck大约 9 年前
Every year I try and switch over to a Linux desktop from Mac and every year I rage quit because of some stupid bug. On the surface things always work &quot;flawlessly&quot;, but then I try something slightly out of the ordinary and I&#x27;m digging through logs and obscure message boards to figure out what is broken (adjusting the speed of my mouse off hyper drive... More than the slider allows).<p>In the end I think I&#x27;ll probably end up using a chromebook for Linux if I want to escape from BSD Mac. Or just stick with Mac on the laptop and Linux on the server.
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roryrjb大约 9 年前
Over the past 10+ years on and off I&#x27;ve used Linux on the desktop, mainly Ubuntu (started with 7.10), but also Arch, Fedora, Debian, CentOS, openSUSE and aside from Arch (for obvious reasons) I have got on pretty well with all of them, with very minimal tinkering. I&#x27;ve basically found that newer versions of Debian, Fedora and Ubuntu have had less issues. I guess I&#x27;ve been lucky with the hardware I&#x27;ve had, granted I haven&#x27;t owned many setups in that time frame.
bigpeopleareold大约 9 年前
The article describes a few problems that I have (the network-manager issue, the frequent bug windows), but I think I have more patience for these issues, since the issues tend to be smaller than the little and constant nuisances I experience with using my Mac at work. However, I did stop using Unity, with the benefit of having a little more memory to work with (I really don&#x27;t use the desktop itself, except for widgets on the top for time, battery, resource usage, etc.)<p>The bigger problems I had with 14.04 on my laptop have been solved in 16.04: poor wifi performance and the seemingly random times it would just come out of sleep mode while the lid is closed.
moondev大约 9 年前
I have been very happy with elementaryOS (based on trusty). Been using it on my desktop for about 4 months and I don&#x27;t miss windows at all. Only thing that gives me trouble is viewing video that uses drm protection in flash. (watchespn)
talles大约 9 年前
Anyone knows if the complaints in the article are still happening in 16.04?<p>I recently installed it for a friend of mine and it&#x27;s his first time using linux. So far so good but the problems listed in the article worries me...
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Mikeb85大约 9 年前
Yeah, my experience with 14.04 has been seriously sub-par, 12.04 was much better.<p>Seems Ubuntu and desktop Linux is seriously regressing, with the newer kernels my laptop won&#x27;t suspend any more (Thinkpad T530 w&#x2F; Ivy Bridge and Intel graphics), after 4+ years of flawless usage. Seriously, nothing went wrong for years and now there&#x27;s some horrible regression that has fucked up the whole experience and I can&#x27;t suspend my laptop. WTF (and I have checked mailing lists, it is an upstream bug of some sort though some blame the kernel, others blame systemd).
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pjungwir大约 9 年前
So even though this article is from early 2015, commenters here seem to confirm 14.04 is still bad. I&#x27;ve been feeling guilty lately for running 12.04 and am just waiting for a slow weekend to upgrade. I run Xubuntu and have no intention of adopting Unity. I have two monitors with an Nvidia video card. I like how in Ubuntu things &quot;just work&quot;. Also I like running the same OS as many of my production servers. But maybe in spite of that it&#x27;s time to try a new distro? Any recommendations?
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badmadrad大约 9 年前
I use ubuntu on Macbook Pro and its a clunky experience for sure. The main issue is that the drivers aren&#x27;t up to date with the latest hardware so there are all types of bugs if you try into install ubuntu on certain hardware. I would say if you wan&#x27;t a more seamless experience you should try to use certified hardware so it just works.<p><a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.ubuntu.com&#x2F;certification&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.ubuntu.com&#x2F;certification&#x2F;</a>
bithive123大约 9 年前
In my experience all of Canonical&#x27;s software is better in theory than in practice. I&#x27;ve been burned so often that these days I just stick with Debian.
julie1大约 9 年前
almost all windows since 95, a lot of mac OS since 7.5.3, OS2, a lot of linux, OS9000, solaris, AIX and *BSD.<p>My experience recently has been that all OS are having problems. Just to name a few : - HW vendors doing sub par drivers and documentations, and integration :you even have more than one HW for the same model; - ACPI - forced obsolescence of peripherals; - outsourcing is clearly related to loss in quality especially in HW; - too much packages and dependencies;<p>And still : most developers don&#x27;t know how to do asynchronuous programming, and that is really a problem when everything is about handling events.
known大约 9 年前
Like Microsoft, Canonical should also hire couple of psychologists
gregmac大约 9 年前
It has been nearly a decade since I last ran Linux on my desktop (I think I might have been Ubuntu 6.06 actually), and this exactly sounds like my experience.<p>With a desktop PC, it&#x27;s generally manageable, but every time I tried on a Laptop (and I have tried several brands) I have had various problems with display&#x2F;bluetooth&#x2F;sound&#x2F;network&#x2F;power&#x2F;sleep&#x2F;hibernation. It also seemed like everytime I did an upgrade, while it may fix one problem, something previously working would break. I even specifically researched and bought hardware that was &quot;Linux friendly&quot; (eg: was generally considered to be well supported).<p>I eventually realized that my desire to run an open source OS on my machine was consuming far more time than it was worth, and I&#x27;d rather be getting actual real work done than fixing my display not scaling properly with an external monitor plugged in, or having to reboot because it just came out of hibernation and now can&#x27;t see any wifi networks. Since then, I&#x27;ve run Windows on my desktop, even when I am 100% working on code running on linux servers (and basically just spend my time in an SSH terminal, IDE or web browser).<p>Apple has the unique position of owning the hardware: they basically have a very, very limited set of platforms to test on, and as a result, it&#x27;s pretty easy for them to ensure that everything works.<p>Microsoft builds an OS that is supposed to work on all kinds of random hardware from random manufacturers.. They largely take the position that it&#x27;s up to vendors to implement drivers correctly, but even then Microsoft apparently runs an extensive hardware compatibility test lab and generally spends a lot of time and money making sure it &quot;just works&quot; as much as they can. I have no doubt that crash reports directly feed to this, and when necessary if they suspect some combination of specific hardware is leading to a crash, they likely test it.<p>Linux distros, on the other hand, seem to have none of this. Many of the drivers are open source, created by volunteers because they bought it and want it to work, and still not many vendors put effort into releasing their own drivers. No one tests even close to all the combinations possible, nor as far as I know, is there anyone monitoring crash reports and trying to deal with combinations of problems like Microsoft does.<p>Am I wrong in this? Is there some organization that is putting lots of effort into getting desktop linux into &quot;just works&quot; state?<p>Canonical has some hardware certification programs for Ubuntu Server, but I don&#x27;t see anything for desktop. For what it&#x27;s worth, Ubuntu Server from my experience DOES &quot;just work&quot;, but they don&#x27;t have to deal with some of the tricky things like recovering from sleep modes.<p>From experience, today, 2016, if I wanted to run linux on a new laptop and have it &quot;just work&quot; (meaning: zero issues with sleep, networking, plugging into multiple external displays&#x2F;projectors, bluetooth), what are my options? Is zero issues a reasonable expectation?<p>For the true die-hards, at what point does your ideology of rejecting a proprietary OS become counter-productive to actually getting work done?
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dre85大约 9 年前
I have never once managed to get &quot;suspend&quot; working on my computer with any version of Ubuntu. Every time I install a new distro I immediately disable this feature. Suspend on Ubuntu is basically a &quot;freeze&#x2F;crash immediately&quot; button.<p>I&#x27;ve experienced the majority of the bugs that the author is talking about and a lot of them do happen on a daily basis. Somehow, I just learned to live with it. It&#x27;s kind of like a chronic disease.<p>For me operating systems are a &quot;choose the lesser evil&quot; situation. For me it&#x27;s a balance between:<p>A) Linux (Ubuntu) - negatives. boring, super buggy desktop. Mainly weird&#x2F;incompatible for entertainment purposes. Major hardware incompatibilities. Fixing bugs takes hours of Googling and compiling random things. Q. My so and so doesn&#x27;t work? A. It&#x27;s a free product, don&#x27;t complain!<p>- positives. Despite what people say I find package management wonderful. Awesome for developers, everything is one apt-get install away with the exception that you may have to add a PPA like the author mentions. Fast. Never bloated. No viruses. No spyware.<p>B) Windows - negatives: Bloated. Slows down over time. Needs a yearly reinstall. Viruses galore. Spyware galore. Windows 10 has taken the Google approach of spying on you as much as possible and sending home every last drop of personal data for their own financial gains. - positives: Most software works well. Pretty much every application ever made has a Windows exe for simple installation. Nice looking GUI.<p>C) Mac: - Negatives: Pay double the money for half the hardware. What if I want a touch screen? Buy our other products too! What if I want a 2 in 1? Buy our other products too! What if I don&#x27;t want to pay 2-3000$ for a laptop with a 1 inch bezel in 2016? Buy it anyway!<p>- Positives: Never used it, but it looks brilliant at first glance. Seems to be the perfect combination of Linux performance&#x2F;capabilities with the good looks and refinement of having a multi-billion dollar company behind it.
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pfarnsworth大约 9 年前
&quot;Oh no, my desktop experience on a completely free operating system made by volunteers doesn&#x27;t work as well as one made by thousands of well-paid employees. I guess I&#x27;m going to write a rant blog post, and then sit back and wait for someone to fix my problems instead of learning how to help with the effort.&quot;<p>Honestly, these posts have been around since the dawn of Linux. Unless the author actually decides to get involved with the effort, I don&#x27;t see how relevant this is. Making a complete operating system is hard and requires a lot of work, which is why the desktop still is Linux&#x27;s biggest challenge. There&#x27;s a reason why Windows and MacOS are still around, because it does a lot of very hard things right, and it&#x27;s easier when you&#x27;re paying people and forcing them to do the boring grunt work that makes a completely OS.
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