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Germany to ban anonymous SIM cards[German]

141 点作者 Bouncingsoul1大约 9 年前

26 条评论

arviewer大约 9 年前
And again, a new measure that will affect everybody except criminals, who pay a drug addict to register hundreds of these cards.
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swimfar大约 9 年前
In a tangentially related topic, here&#x27;s an interesting animation of location tracking of a German politician based on his phone records:<p><a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.zeit.de&#x2F;datenschutz&#x2F;malte-spitz-data-retention" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.zeit.de&#x2F;datenschutz&#x2F;malte-spitz-data-retention</a><p>Malte Spitz sued to have his telephone provider hand over six months of his phone data. He gave it to Zeit Online who used it to create this record of where he had been.<p>It&#x27;s probably not too surprising to many people any more, but I still find it amazing when I watch it. And it might be interesting to people who don&#x27;t realize how detailed the information is. I also think the visualisation is nice.
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titzer大约 9 年前
I live in Germany. In general Germans are very privacy conscious, due to, as others have mentioned in this thread, experiences with the Stasi. Up until recently with the refugee situation, border control hasn&#x27;t been too strict, and agents generally don&#x27;t berate you with questions if you possess validate documents.<p>This pisses me off, and I wager a large portion of the German populace. Let&#x27;s hope this goes down in flames.
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05大约 9 年前
Thankfully because there&#x27;s no roaming in the EU, there&#x27;s absolutely no other way to get an unregistered SIM card to work in Germany..
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DominikPeters大约 9 年前
Main points of the article: For purposes of terrorism prevention, the current German government wants to require sellers of SIM cards to check photo ID and ask for current address. If this happens, it will be (theoretically) impossible to own a German phone number that isn&#x27;t connected to a name.<p>The address data is supposed to be put into a searchable database allowing security officials to search for names even if the exact spelling isn&#x27;t known (which appears to be a problem with current systems). For privacy purposes, they plan to put a limit on the number of records displayed in response to a search query.
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jkot大约 9 年前
Anon SIMs are already banned in many EU countries. It does not really work, some homeless people have thousands SIMs registered on their name.<p>Also opposition in Germany says this might be discriminatory to refugees, since some of them have no documents.
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donohoe大约 9 年前
If I want to text or talk to you over a cell network I need to show ID.<p>If I want to text, call (VOIP), email, chat, message you over wifi I don&#x27;t.<p>Sounds very secure.
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JazCE大约 9 年前
This is terrible news. I wanted to get a sim card for Japan, but you can only get a pocket wifi device, which isn&#x27;t so bad, but not as straightforward as swapping your sim out for a local sim as i do when in the states or malaysia.
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expertentipp大约 9 年前
An ID document and proof of address are already required in Germany when buying SIM card directly from mobile network operators (i.e. Telekom, O2, Vodafone). Apparently they plan to apply the same to resellers and virtual operators.
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Bouncingsoul1大约 9 年前
Couldn&#x27;t find link in English. German government is planning to make it impossible to buy SIM cars anonymously.
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nikolay大约 9 年前
Those SIM cards are also banned in Bulgaria, but people find all kinds of way to buy hundreds of cards that belong to retired or mentally ill people, and others or import cards from abroad.
junto大约 9 年前
I didn&#x27;t realise it wasn&#x27;t possible. I&#x27;ve always been asked for ID.
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madiathomas大约 9 年前
In South Africa, we have had this kind of legislation since 2003. It is called RICA(Regulation of Interception of Communications and Provision of Communication-Related Information Act). Shops aren&#x27;t allowed to sell a SIM card without proof of identification. Foreigners can use their passports to register a SIM card.<p>It takes few minutes. This was done to fight identity theft. We don&#x27;t have terrorism problem here because people who used to be regarded as terrorists(freedom fighters) by former unjust, apartheid government are now in power. If your SIM card is registered under your name, no-one else will be allowed to do a SIM swap on it. Only you can do such after providing proof of identification.<p>I feel it makes it easy for the law enforcement agencies to track down criminals if they used the SIM card to commit crime. Our government doesn&#x27;t have history of invading privacy of their citizens, which makes it easier to trust them.
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Ambroos大约 9 年前
Is this so bad? I remember back in 2012 when I visited Berlin I had to register my SIM with my Belgian ID and address too. It only took a few minutes, it&#x27;s not that much of a hassle. At the phone shop in Belgium where I work we were required to ask for a name and address too (but didn&#x27;t check ID&#x27;s for prepaid cards).<p>I doubt this will solve much terrorism-wise though. You can&#x27;t expect phone shops to verify the validity of every foreign ID and address, just supplying fake data wouldn&#x27;t be hard (and probably go unnoticed until it was &#x27;too late&#x27;).
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stegosaurus大约 9 年前
The last time I visited Germany I was asked for my details in order to buy a phone, and the same to register the SIM card.<p>I just gave invented details both times.<p>So now it&#x27;s impossible, eh?<p>A mobile phone might be a &#x27;new invention&#x27; that you can get away with not using, but what about transport? In my city it&#x27;s been game over for years, decades even.<p>The London Underground is the one subway in London. It uses a smart card, the cash fares are a multiple of the cost, and there are CCTV cameras everywhere anyway so you&#x27;re tracked.<p>The red buses removed cash fares and now smart card&#x2F;contactless bank card are the only way of paying.<p>The central region is plastered in car licence plate recognition cameras so you can&#x27;t drive. (They exist ostensibly because there is a congestion charge for driving in the central region).<p>You can cycle or walk but facial recognition kills that eventually.<p>So yeah, existing in London basically means the authorities know, or have the ability to know, where you are at all times within a few metres regardless of whether you use a phone or not, it&#x27;s just a matter of how integrated these databases are and whether anyone can be bothered.<p>To me it feels a lot like, in major cities anyway, this privacy battle is just completely lost, because there are attacks on all fronts. You can have your anonymous phone, but are you wearing face paints? Do you ever drive? Do you ever take public transport?<p>The further you go out of the city, assuming you don&#x27;t have a mobile phone, I suppose there are fewer data points available. You can roam about in farmer&#x27;s fields or something, no cameras there yet. Maybe the minor cities have analogue cameras, or they&#x27;re turned off due to funding, or whatever.<p>It&#x27;s gone beyond something to be depressed or feel a call to action about at this point I feel - it&#x27;s a bit like a lion chasing a gazelle - it just is. Fighting against this individual initiative feels good, but is it ultimately futile?<p>The actions required in order to attempt not to fall into these databases seem to have gone from &quot;don&#x27;t use your real name online&quot; to &quot;don&#x27;t drive a car&quot; to &quot;don&#x27;t take trains with your bank card&quot; to &quot;pay cash on the bus&quot; to... eventually it&#x27;s just done, all of it&#x27;s tracked, I can pay with cash at the local store but there&#x27;s a digital IP camera in the corner so sooner or later they know it anyway.<p>And the rational amongst us know that it&#x27;s not about us. It means nothing that I can go &#x27;off the grid&#x27;. What means something is that society as a whole is able to appreciate this, and I think the number of intrusions is high enough now that they simply can&#x27;t. It&#x27;s like asking people to go without oxygen. It&#x27;s everywhere.<p>The fight I&#x27;m really concerned with is privacy within the home, in private establishments. I want to know that conversations between me and my friends stay within that box, that private sphere. Miniaturization and propagation of technology just seems to make that an impossible goal, though.<p>I don&#x27;t want it, but I really feel like privacy is dead, we just don&#x27;t fully know it yet.
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gedsic大约 9 年前
According to the text, they want to achieve this by forcing vendors&#x2F;providers to check the ID of the buyer, even for prepaid SIMs.
EGreg大约 9 年前
Anonymity can be obtained in one of two ways:<p>1) Building up a tree of accounts from anonymous services like mailinator and anonymously bought sim cards and phones<p>2) Hijacking random people&#x27;s equipment in order to do 1.<p>By banning anonymous services, people will have to turn to temporary hijacking to achieve the same ends.
harperlee大约 9 年前
I know for a fact that there are big banks that don&#x27;t even have the ID of lots of clients. I&#x27;m skeptical of the speed that telcos will apply on the remediation of all these clients. I actually believe the existing clients might stay undocumented forever.
Kequc大约 9 年前
I didn&#x27;t even know you could get an anonymous sim. The gauntlet of questions I was asked and the paperwork the salesman thankfully filled out for me, for a prepaid sim, was dizzying.<p>Obviously if I knew I could have just bought one off a shelf I would have.
gozur88大约 9 年前
When I was vacationing in Germany years ago I couldn&#x27;t get a prepaid phone or a sim without having a German address. Did they make it easier only to now make it more difficult?
orbitingpluto大约 9 年前
Did I read that right? Complete address required?<p>First you get rid of the public payphones, then you require a valid address for a mobile. Poof! The homeless truly can disappear.
ChrisArchitect大约 9 年前
as a tourist, first priority on the ground in a new country is to get a data connection. I had more difficulty in Germany than other EU countries visited around the same time. Despite promise of a handful of prepaid sim&#x27;s available everywhere, activation was a roadblock because no local credit card. Eventually found my way to an O2 store where they used their own <i>store address</i> to activate for me and it was all good
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jasiek大约 9 年前
Dang, I wonder what would happen if someone were to use fake ID &quot;issued&quot; the Republic of Nagorno-Karabakh.
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btreesOfSpring大约 9 年前
let&#x27;s just add to the servicewüste[0] of dealing with communication companies in Germany.<p>[0] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Servicew%C3%BCste" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Servicew%C3%BCste</a>
guard-of-terra大约 9 年前
Yet another example of &quot;terrorists hurt you, so we&#x27;re going to hurt you to compensate&quot;.<p>Can we please think of something to stop this?
venomsnake大约 9 年前
Oh well. I will create a MVNO in some of the tax heavens. Couple of roaming agreements and we are set. And just issue sim cards at large. It will be more expensive. But doable.