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A majority of millennials now reject capitalism

51 点作者 yusufp大约 9 年前

25 条评论

tsaprailis大约 9 年前
I think this sums it all: ""The word 'capitalism' doesn't mean what it used to," said Zach Lustbader, a senior at Harvard involved in conducting the poll, which was published Monday. For those who grew up during the Cold War, capitalism meant freedom from the Soviet Union and other totalitarian regimes. For those who grew up more recently, capitalism has meant a financial crisis from which the global economy still hasn't completely recovered."
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tomp大约 9 年前
An important distinction to keep in mind: capitalism != free market.<p>From the article <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;stumblingandmumbling.typepad.com&#x2F;stumbling_and_mumbling&#x2F;2016&#x2F;01&#x2F;capitalism-vs-markets.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;stumblingandmumbling.typepad.com&#x2F;stumbling_and_mumbli...</a><p>&gt; They are, in fact, two different things: capitalism is a system of ownership; markets a method of exchange. Although the two have sometimes gone together, this need not be so. Crony capitalism in which a few monopolies or cartels run much of the economy gives us capitalism without markets. And market socialism would give us markets without capitalism*.
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mrob大约 9 年前
I am in favor of socialism, and if I was forced to choose between &quot;socialism&quot; and &quot;capitalism&quot; on a survey I would pick socialism. But this does not mean I reject capitalism. I am generally in favor of free markets and private property. But I want taxes on externalities (eg. pollution), and I want enough wealth redistribution to prevent the kind of extreme inequality we see in America and similar countries. Countries generally considered capitalist already have some taxation and wealth redistribution. The question of &quot;capitalist&quot; as the article calls it vs. &quot;socialist&quot; is a matter of degree, not a binary choice. I think we should move further towards the socialist side, but that does not mean I want a centrally planned economy and everybody to have exactly the same wealth.
return0大约 9 年前
Don&#x27;t be quick to dismiss them as ignorants. Just looking at the markets the past few years, how they are and how they react, it doesn&#x27;t seem like capitalism is trustworthy. There is no direction and often no reason behind it. If capitalism is a means to achieve national interests, it&#x27;s not clear whose interests it serves anymore, it&#x27;s too globalized.
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cmdkeen大约 9 年前
A man who has not been a socialist before 25 has no heart. If he remains one after 25 he has no head. — King Oscar II of Sweden<p>Whilst that&#x27;s a variant of an older quote there is generally an expectation that 19&#x2F;20 year olds are going to be more revolutionary than their elders. As a 30 year old who grew up during the 90s capitalism had vanquished communism and was rapidly improving quality of life around the world. Economic growth was assumed and student radicalism went through one of its quieter patches and began to focus much more on equalities and access rather than economic issues.<p>Today&#x27;s youth are perhaps returning back to a more traditional model of rebellion against their parents. Be it the 1930s elite becoming communist at Cambridge, French students in the 60s or US students in 1970.
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ageofwant大约 9 年前
Corporate feudalism has ruined capitalism.<p>In a surreal turn of events the east coast of communist China has the strongest &quot;pure&quot; form of capitalism currently in existence. This has a lot to do with their scant regard of imaginary property, what westerners insist on calling &quot;intellectual property&quot;. Capitalism only work when information flows freely. When people can make decisions based on facts. This cannot happen when information is hoarded as a so called competitive advantage, not in the long run anyway, not any more. Ad to this the degree of rent-taking on all levels and its clear that capitalism as we know it a spent vein.
dnautics大约 9 年前
&quot;By a continuing process of inflation, governments can confiscate, secretly and unobserved, an important part of the wealth of their citizens. By this method they not only confiscate, but they confiscate arbitrarily; and, while the process impoverishes many, it actually enriches some. The sight of this arbitrary rearrangement of riches strikes not only at security, but at confidence in the equity of the existing distribution of wealth. Those to whom the system brings windfalls, beyond their deserts and even beyond their expectations or desires, become &#x27;profiteers,&#x27; who are the object of the hatred of the bourgeoisie, whom the inflationism has impoverished, not less than of the proletariat. As the inflation proceeds and the real value of the currency fluctuates wildly from month to month, all permanent relations between debtors and creditors, which form the ultimate foundation of capitalism, become so utterly disordered as to be almost meaningless; and the process of wealth-getting degenerates into a gamble and a lottery.&quot; -Keynes<p>Ironically it is (a distorted version of) Keynesian economics that is used to justify inflationism as public policy<p>Schumpeter would add, the middle class will then reject capitalism (presumably instead of placing the blame where it truly ought to lie).
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tomelders大约 9 年前
Capitalism has become an umbrella term for fraud, tax avoidance and corruption.
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dkopi大约 9 年前
Capitalism Sucks!<p>- Sent from my iphone
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jensen123大约 9 年前
Instead of looking at capitalism vs. socialism, I think it would make more sense to look at free markets vs. unfree markets. Many businesses will lobby politicians for laws and regulations to protect themselves against competition, for subsidies, for special tax deductions etc. Private banks cooperate with the government in order to create fiat money, which primarily benefit those who are already rich etc.<p>You can certainly have capitalism and an unfree market at the same time. Guess that&#x27;s called crony capitalism. It&#x27;s a very different beast from a free market.
k__大约 9 年前
Where do we really have (free market) capitalism in the world?<p>I once read something about how traffic works best when 100% regulated or 0% regulated. Everything in the middle is sub-optimal. That&#x27;s what we seeing with capitalism at the moment. Everything is half-regulated. There are many people who got a big part of the global wealth and many of them inherited it from people that had it before the world switched away from kings and queens.
mtgx大约 9 年前
They reject capitalism because capitalism has been turned into &quot;crony capitalism&quot;. They hate big corporations, because big corporations go out and buy politicians who then pass favorable laws only for those corporations, but not <i>necessarily</i> favorable to the people as well.<p>If this didn&#x27;t happen so <i>pervasively</i> I don&#x27;t think millennials would be that mad about capitalism. To fix this, bring back real democracy in the US (and I mean that as a generic &quot;People&#x27;s voice must be heard&quot; term, not as direct democracy or mob rule, as many often misconstrue such comments).<p>Relevant:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=5tu32CCA_Ig" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=5tu32CCA_Ig</a>
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kristofferR大约 9 年前
&quot;Only a Sith deals in absolutes.&quot;<p>Seriously, this is stupid. It&#x27;s a poll about words, not really about politics.<p>I&#x27;m sure almost all would agree that either complete capitalism or complete socialism would be bad. Everyone actually agrees that there needs to be a balance.
informatimago大约 9 年前
One word that is conspicuously absent from this articles and the comments so far, is &quot;SCARCITY&quot;. Both socialism and capitalism are systems designed to deal with scarcity (and often, to generate it as well, since as systems, (and the stake holders in those systems), they benefit from scarcity.<p>The problem we have now is to establish a new system (or systems), to deal with abondance, or at least greatly reduced scarcity. If the stakeholders of the old systems don&#x27;t prevent us, eg. by declaring a very destructive WWIII.
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moon_of_moon大约 9 年前
q: &quot;do you support capitalism&quot;<p>a: &quot;not in the way it treats engineers as &#x27;resources&#x27;, and cronies, friends and relatives as &#x27;management&#x27; as but in principal yes&quot;<p>q: &quot;i need a yes&#x2F;no answer&quot;<p>a: &quot;..&quot;<p>q: &quot;so i&#x27;m putting down no&quot;<p>a: &quot;whatever&quot;.<p>fun fact: If the fortune 500 were a country it would have the second largest GDP in the world.<p>Most of you here reject or would like to run away from that institutional form of capitalism anyway to a good startup.
carsongross大约 9 年前
And why shouldn&#x27;t they? Capitalism, as we have it, has given them a huge amount of debt right out of school, impossibly expensive housing, declining real wages, unemployment-hidden-as-not-seeking-work, almost non-existent family formation and backbreaking healthcare costs.<p>I&#x27;m an instinctive libertarian, but how can you look at the current state of affairs and expect anything else?
trhway大约 9 年前
that is what young people do. 99 years ago they rejected capitalism in my old country. ~70 years ago - in China, and 20 years later during Cultural Revolution the next generation of young people in China doubled down on that rejection sending the first generation into re-education camps... &quot;Mistakes of youth&quot; :)<p>US version of the same i guess is &quot;If You Are Not a Liberal at 25, You Have No Heart. If You Are Not a Conservative at 35 You Have No Brain&quot;<p>Personally, at 43, born and grown in socialist USSR, having lived through transition to wild capitalism in 199x in Russia, and living in US for 16+ years, i&#x27;d rephrase Churchill - &quot;capitalism is the worst economical system, except for all the others&quot;.
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websitescenes大约 9 年前
Capitalism killed democracy and now technology is killing capitalism. Once technology is fully embraced, capitalism will seem archaic and cumbersome. In capitalism money rules. In democratic socialism utility rules. Take your pic.
whazor大约 9 年前
The benefit of switching between systems is that power will be redistributed. The current problem is that organisations who previously offered superior value, are now abusing their position.
colincarter41大约 9 年前
Is it true? I have come across many articles that most of the millennials are focus on earning and career growth.
rtehfm大约 9 年前
Washington Post also published an article about how millennials prefer socialism until they get jobs and it comes out of their pocket.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.washingtonpost.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;in-theory&#x2F;wp&#x2F;2016&#x2F;03&#x2F;24&#x2F;millennials-like-socialism-until-they-get-jobs&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.washingtonpost.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;in-theory&#x2F;wp&#x2F;2016&#x2F;03&#x2F;24&#x2F;...</a>
jdimov9大约 9 年前
You can also reject sunlight if you want to. Guess who you&#x27;re screwing up?
kome大约 9 年前
I may like the market (not always), but I see no reason to like capitalists...
rawTruthHurts大约 9 年前
They reject it in their 20&#x27;s, they&#x27;ll embrace it in their forties.<p>Nothing to see here.
vegancap大约 9 年前
A majority of millennial&#x27;s don&#x27;t really know what capitalism is.
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