TE
科技回声
首页24小时热榜最新最佳问答展示工作
GitHubTwitter
首页

科技回声

基于 Next.js 构建的科技新闻平台,提供全球科技新闻和讨论内容。

GitHubTwitter

首页

首页最新最佳问答展示工作

资源链接

HackerNews API原版 HackerNewsNext.js

© 2025 科技回声. 版权所有。

The Internet Economy

100 点作者 avyfain大约 9 年前

8 条评论

caseysoftware大约 9 年前
I&#x27;ve been reading &quot;Darknet&quot; via Kindle and it has this idea of &quot;autonomous companies&quot; that do high frequency trading, shuffle around money, and eventually even start &quot;replacing&quot; people by email and video chat.<p>As we have more and more of these systems tied together - usually via APIs - I think it&#x27;s getting more more likely where things can &quot;just work&quot; transparently.<p>If I need gas for the car, it can go get it, billing to my account on file. If I need diapers for the kid, the system detects that, orders them automatically, delivers them automatically, etc. There are few humans involved anywhere.<p>It&#x27;s a fascinating and has society-shaking implications.
评论 #11670014 未加载
评论 #11672925 未加载
lowglow大约 9 年前
Ambient Intelligence is the phrase a lot of people are searching for when talking about this stuff. There&#x27;s also a bunch of stuff about Second-order Cybernetics and Adaptive and Collaborative Multi-Agent Systems people should seek out and read.<p>I&#x27;ve co-opted some terms and am now speaking of this as Second-order IoT. Where previously we were concerned about our personal networks and systems, this next wave will be concerned about how these systems work together and enlist one another to carry out some task or contract autonomously. Chaining these contracts is where the cool stuff comes in. Observing and influencing these systems and letting them create efficient networks on our behalf is the reason we should be building this.<p>Agents are what people are talking about when discussing bots, and agents are basically the AI program that can conscript if not completely become part of the operating service on a device. Like little plug &#x27;n play souls that carry along information about you and what you need within some context.<p>For instance, when you step out of your autonomous vehicle, it can use a service (Playa) to look up physical interfaces offering recharging. It will be able to negotiate and transact a recharge on your behalf, then contract itself out to an uber-like service while you sleep to help pay for itself.<p>I&#x27;m building the infrastructure&#x2F;platform to support all of this, giving rise to a fully autonomous global logistics and supply chain -- I call it Playa (<a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;getplaya.com&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;getplaya.com&#x2F;</a>) It&#x27;s at first an open service exchange (marketplace) for autonomous intelligent agents to learn from us, and act on our behalf with other services and agents (both digital and physical). - If Artificial General Intelligence is the ruler, then Playa is its throne.<p>Here is the project site <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;getplaya.com&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;getplaya.com&#x2F;</a> and here is our Baqqer site if anyone wants to sign up and follow our progress: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;baqqer.com&#x2F;projects&#x2F;playa" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;baqqer.com&#x2F;projects&#x2F;playa</a><p>We&#x27;ve also started a meet-up group in San Francisco if you want to learn more: <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.meetup.com&#x2F;sfaiml&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.meetup.com&#x2F;sfaiml&#x2F;</a><p>If you&#x27;re interested in building this vision of the future, please reach out. I&#x27;m happy to grab a coffee in San Francisco and chat more about the current state as well as long term social and political implications of this if you&#x27;d like.
评论 #11671857 未加载
评论 #11672429 未加载
评论 #11669653 未加载
amelius大约 9 年前
&gt; Google of course needs a vibrant web for its search engine to remain useful<p>So why did they build Android on top of Java then? Wouldn&#x27;t it have been much smarter to build Android on top of Javascript+HTML where suitable, possibly extending the standards where needed?<p>All these &quot;apps&quot; nowadays represent a move away from the web.
评论 #11670791 未加载
评论 #11669603 未加载
评论 #11670526 未加载
评论 #11672878 未加载
评论 #11672880 未加载
norea-armozel大约 9 年前
I find this sort of stuff creepy since it&#x27;s always built with the concept of giving you the idea to buy something even if you didn&#x27;t really want it. It&#x27;s nothing like Futurama brain slug but it&#x27;s still just as disturbing. It&#x27;s probably why I&#x27;m always unsubscribing from email advertisements from various companies I tend to buy things from (since I&#x27;m not a regular customer for anything but utilities, rent, and groceries). I want my choices of consumption to be driven more by necessity than just some slick ad or product placement. Hell, I didn&#x27;t own a smart phone until just last year. How&#x27;s that for weird?
exelius大约 9 年前
&gt; The hope is that this will not only create compelling user experiences, but also unlock access to the tens of billions of ad dollars that are currently spent on TV.<p>This is simply not gonna happen. I used to think that as well -- until I did a stint working with one of the biggest sellers of TV ad inventory.<p>It&#x27;s a completely different game. TV ads are bought and sold in enormous, packaged deals. There&#x27;s very, very little transparency in the TV advertising game. Everyone on both sides knows Nielsen ratings are total crap with very little bearing on reality, but they trust each other even less, so Nielsen it is. All anyone knows is that TV is great for brand advertising, and you can get a rough estimate of how many eyeballs saw your ad on a given night. With brand advertising, all you care about is the number of brand impressions you make on your target consumer in a given month to keep the brand value fresh in their mind (i.e. &quot;Ford trucks are Built Ford Tough&quot;).<p>TV ads are sold based on personal relationships between reps at advertisers and publishers. That&#x27;s it. The ad rates you can get for ads sold through traditional TV sales channels are 30-40% higher than digital ads on a per-impression basis. The reason for that? The buyers are more senior, have larger budgets, and less accountability.<p>That TV ad money is literally just disappearing as audiences scatter to various media platforms -- these older, more senior ad executives don&#x27;t understand digital so it&#x27;s left to the younger guys who have a much larger culture of accountability and measuring by the metrics. The Internet has created so many opportunities for advertising and so much transparency around pricing for those ads that nobody can justify TV-like rates for digital ad impressions.<p>Think of the things that advertise on TV: they&#x27;re nearly all high-value goods or services that need to establish a brand reputation. They can (and do) do that online for a lot less per impression, and they don&#x27;t need to run an equivalent dollar amount of impressions because the online publishing space has created so much inventory they can&#x27;t even sell it all (creating so-called &quot;remnant&quot; inventory filled programmatically by algorithms at rock-bottom CPMs). But only the &quot;premium&quot; publishers (i.e. anyone with a non-advertising revenue stream like New York Times) can afford to limit their inventory in such a way as to demand higher CPMs: everyone else is in a race to the bottom just to survive.<p>But it&#x27;s gotten to a point where ad rates are so low that for premium publishers able to succeed with a subscription model, they may not even be a material amount of money. See: Netflix, Amazon Prime Video, etc. In 5 or 10 years, we may get to a point where all &quot;premium&quot; video services are delivered through a subscription model without advertising. That TV money has to go elsewhere, but it&#x27;s likely to be spent on non-digital forms of advertising (e.g. outdoor&#x2F;billboards, corporate sponsorships, product placement, etc.)<p>tldr: Online will never see the type of ad money that TV generated because the balance of power has shifted from the publishers to the advertisers. The next generation of ad buyers will be much more savvy, and the digital publishers have created far too much ad inventory. There&#x27;s a tragedy of the commons situation with publishers that will continue to drive down CPMs while inventory increases, because if they don&#x27;t then they will die. Because of low ad rates, it&#x27;s not really worth it for premium video publishers to compromise their user experience by subjecting their paying customers to advertising -- thus driving the ad money from the big brands out of premium video content and on to other, non-digital forms of brand advertising.
评论 #11671964 未加载
评论 #11672091 未加载
评论 #11669821 未加载
Apocryphon大约 9 年前
And where is the room for a sixth empire? Is Uber trying to claw in from the physical logistics side of the loop?
exolymph大约 9 年前
I&#x27;d just like to note that Aggregation Theory totally explains this: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;stratechery.com&#x2F;2015&#x2F;aggregation-theory&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;stratechery.com&#x2F;2015&#x2F;aggregation-theory&#x2F;</a>
chiefalchemist大约 9 年前
More shit we don&#x27;t need, but faster and cheaper. If that&#x27;s progress then we&#x27;re in trouble.
评论 #11672638 未加载