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A former CIA spy has revealed his key role in the arrest of Nelson Mandela

435 点作者 randomname2大约 9 年前

31 条评论

cm3大约 9 年前
The CIA is the reason for most of the unstable regions and it's hard to understand how after messing with other places and making it worse for everybody but weapons manufacturers, they're still doing the same thing over and over. Previously it was the fight against Communism, now Islam, I wonder what it will be in 2020. Middle-east, Asia, South America, all are right to be very angry with the CIA, but turn it into a "Burn America" rethoric, which doesn't help their argument. CIA's policy is probably controlled by someone else, and that's where changes need to be made because I like to think they don't come up with the stuff on their own.
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zo1大约 9 年前
It&#x27;s kind of odd that the DailyMail and RussiaToday (RT) have more &quot;info&quot; than the linked article that&#x27;s paywalled. Not necessarily a bigger &quot;scoop&quot; of the story, but they provided more info about the parties, backstory, pictures included. Honestly, I tried looking for a decent article after encountering the paywall, but most were just &quot;rehashed&quot; quotes and links to the TheTimes article, with absolutely nothing of substance added.<p><a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.dailymail.co.uk&#x2F;news&#x2F;article-3591000&#x2F;How-CIA-got-Nelson-Mandela-arrested-Unrepentant-agent-confirms-tipped-South-African-security-forces-meaning-leader-jailed-27-years.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.dailymail.co.uk&#x2F;news&#x2F;article-3591000&#x2F;How-CIA-got-...</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.rt.com&#x2F;usa&#x2F;343096-cia-nelson-mandela-arrest&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.rt.com&#x2F;usa&#x2F;343096-cia-nelson-mandela-arrest&#x2F;</a><p>Anyone have a decent article on this with more info and backstory?
mark_l_watson大约 9 年前
Not too far off topic:the book &quot;The Devils Chessboard&quot;, the history of Allen Dulles and the CIA is informative. The author was at Harper&#x27;s Magazine for decades, and this book is full of personal accounts and information gleaned from historical records. The book is an eye opener. I was particularly shocked by how Dulles suppressed information of the holocost as it was happening, preventing obvious steps like bombing the railway lines leading to the death camps. Dulles was so fixated by the communists that any actions were to him justified.<p>Edit: Dulles was also fixated by protecting the interests of his law firm&#x27;s Wall Street clients and he viewed the Nazi apparatus, minus Hitler, as a potential resource, something to be protected and largely left in place after the war.
Tharkun大约 9 年前
You know how we&#x27;re still hunting down and jailing formers nazis and concentration camp guards? Why aren&#x27;t we doing the same to these CIA agents and decision makers?
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sehugg大约 9 年前
NYT reported this in 1990, we just didn&#x27;t have confirmation and the name of the agent: <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nytimes.com&#x2F;1990&#x2F;06&#x2F;10&#x2F;world&#x2F;cia-tie-reported-in-mandela-arrest.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nytimes.com&#x2F;1990&#x2F;06&#x2F;10&#x2F;world&#x2F;cia-tie-reported-in-...</a><p>And it&#x27;s still unclear whether anyone else was involved in the decision to tip off the police.
tempodox大约 9 年前
&gt; ...the world’s most dangerous communist...<p>How fads change. Had it happened today, they would have called him a terrorist.<p>Sadly, it&#x27;s not really news that the U.S. only pay lip service to Democracy. After all, the dictator of our choice can guarantee our economic and military interests much better than any democratic regime.
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dijit大约 9 年前
Given the serious effort CIA puts into destabilising regions (Lets not forget the large amounts of sources who said people were being ferried and paid to go to Kiev when the Ukrainian uprising was occuring) it would not surprise me very much if they were also behind the Britain &quot;exit&quot; from Europe, since that would cause an economic collapse of the EU and would remove a super-power from play.<p>I feel like a conspiracy theorist when saying it out loud, but given the history...<p>I mean it&#x27;s economic suicide for britain to leave the EU, yet someone is plastering it all over the media and it&#x27;s not the politicians. :\
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gfgjmfgjmgh大约 9 年前
The CIA was also behind the assassination of Homi Bhabha (father of Indian atomic energy program) and Lala Bahadur Sastry (Prime Minister of India).
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ccvannorman大约 9 年前
&quot;&quot;The agent firmly believed Mandela was in the pocket of Communist Russia and was planning to incite the Indian population in the Natal region, where he was based, to rise up.&quot;&quot;<p>Given ubiquitous surveillance and increasing state power, how long before average citizens start getting locked up because a single cowboy at an agency &quot;firmly believes&quot; they are a threat?
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brudgers大约 9 年前
A non-paywalled report of the news: <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.dailymail.co.uk&#x2F;news&#x2F;article-3591000&#x2F;How-CIA-got-Nelson-Mandela-arrested-Unrepentant-agent-confirms-tipped-South-African-security-forces-meaning-leader-jailed-27-years.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.dailymail.co.uk&#x2F;news&#x2F;article-3591000&#x2F;How-CIA-got-...</a>
thomasahle大约 9 年前
I think it&#x27;s interesting how the CIA&#x27;s goal seems to be more or less &quot;maintaining the status quo&quot; in the global power struggle. This is obviously a useful thing to have, but if it gets too strong, how can we ever have the positive revolutions that have given us things like democracy?
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vidoc大约 9 年前
Oh my God! This can&#x27;t be true can it? I dont want to wake up tomorrow and learn that the Iraq war adventure was not based on wrong CIA intelligence, but a manufactured one, and 100% of the US political establishment knew it (in addition to basically the rest of the world).
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mrslave大约 9 年前
In the interest of some context: Mandela was a communist and a terrorist. While a &quot;political prisoner&quot; he was offered freedom as soon as he would publicly renounce violent protest (i.e. terrorism) and he persistently refused to do so. His second wife, Winnie, enjoyed the necklacing opponents. So nice people all round.
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nxzero大约 9 年前
Here&#x27;s another source: <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;m.democracynow.org&#x2F;stories&#x2F;14271" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;m.democracynow.org&#x2F;stories&#x2F;14271</a>
raverbashing大约 9 年前
Well, sending him to jail helped make him an important figure. True, there&#x27;s no way of knowing how it have gone otherwise<p>Not to be demonized but not to be idolized as well
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fiatmoney大约 9 年前
Mandela &amp; his organization were responsible for a terrorist (in the classical sense - using unfocused attacks on civilian populations as a bargaining chip and method of instilling fear) insurgency that killed thousands of people in incredibly brutal ways. The ascendancy of that government has resulted in South Africa turning from a reasonably prosperous &amp; stable country into one of the most dangerous countries on earth, especially for the white minority, who is ~ one election away from genocide at any given moment.<p>Props on Mandela for being gracious in victory &amp; not immediately going Full Zimbabwe, but it is insane to suggest that he was some sort of sainted figure that there was no reason to even fight.
Lerumo大约 9 年前
Find it funny that they label Mandela a communist while the apartheid government owned all important sectors of the economy eg telkom (telecommunications), eskom (electricity), amscor n denel (weapons), sabc (radio and tv broadcasting), spoornet (rails and ports) acsa (airports) just to list a few. Apartheid was basically socialism for white people and brutal facism africans.
JHof大约 9 年前
Here&#x27;s a very similar article from 1990 - <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nytimes.com&#x2F;1990&#x2F;06&#x2F;10&#x2F;world&#x2F;cia-tie-reported-in-mandela-arrest.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nytimes.com&#x2F;1990&#x2F;06&#x2F;10&#x2F;world&#x2F;cia-tie-reported-in-...</a>
proksoup大约 9 年前
The new title &quot;an individual admitted something not the organization&quot; is definitely more accurate, but represents an unsettling (to me) blame shift. I suppose the original title incorrectly placed responsibility on the organization and not the individual.
ertyui大约 9 年前
Linkbait title. If the testimony is true then at best its a tip off about a then wanted man&#x27;s location, nothing to do woth cia behind a conviction or anything else.
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irunbackwards大约 9 年前
Of course we did. We&#x27;ve been behind almost every coup of any truly democratic (we Americans like to call this communism) society in the last century.
c2the3rd大约 9 年前
I would like to thank all the people who had a comment on this article, but did not post it. Truly, you improve the community with your silence. I&#x27;m aware of my own hypocrisy on this point, but logical consistency would prevent this sentiment from ever being expressed.<p>As it is, perhaps 5% of these comments know anything about what they are talking about. One of the biggest intellectual failings of the sort that frequents this place is mistaking being smart with being informed.
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rubyfan大约 9 年前
Non-paywalled: <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.dailymail.co.uk&#x2F;news&#x2F;article-3591000&#x2F;How-CIA-got-Nelson-Mandela-arrested-Unrepentant-agent-confirms-tipped-South-African-security-forces-meaning-leader-jailed-27-years.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.dailymail.co.uk&#x2F;news&#x2F;article-3591000&#x2F;How-CIA-got-...</a>
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Pica_soO大约 9 年前
Agency&#x27;s like the CIA are just symptoms, the obvious to late, to little effort done after problems seem unsolvable by politicians. And they often are. If you have a population that basically votes with there feet for a war every second generation. If you have a social system that depends on constant corruption, to get everyone through the day. If you have resources that allow those in power to get by without any responsibility to there country&#x27;s. If you got armed groups, which provide to second sons of a second sons a future in guerilla warfare - what is a group of man in a office building to do about that? The answer is nothing. They cant turn stone to bread. They cant reason with the unreasonable. They can try to gamble who gets to sit on the iron throne. The sad fact is- the CIA- on a larger scale, has no power over the population, which going in murderous cycles, stomps there own future into the ground. They make a excellent blame-pinata though.
bunkydoo大约 9 年前
I wonder what would happen if we just told everyone at the CIA to go on a 1 year vacation. We might have world peace
ebbv大约 9 年前
The title of this link is misleading. A former CIA spy (is that even confirmed?) claimed it. That&#x27;s incredibly different from the CIA actually admitting it.<p>Which is not to say I really doubt his claims (assuming it can be verified he was a CIA operative who was in South Africa at that time.)
known大约 9 年前
&quot;If there is a country that has committed unspeakable atrocities in the world, it is the USA. They don&#x27;t care.&quot; --Nelson Mandela <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.huffingtonpost.co.uk&#x2F;mehdi-hasan&#x2F;nelson-mandela-iraq-israel_b_4396638.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.huffingtonpost.co.uk&#x2F;mehdi-hasan&#x2F;nelson-mandela-i...</a>
hugh4大约 9 年前
Not really an &quot;admission&quot;, he was guilty of the crime for which he was charged.
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franky303大约 9 年前
Paywalled. Next.
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DonHopkins大约 9 年前
<p><pre><code> struct NelsonMandela *nelson_mandela = (struct NelsonMandela *)malloc( sizeof(struct NelsonMandela)); free(nelson_mandella);</code></pre>
equalsnil大约 9 年前
Would South Africa be a better place if it had become a Russian-influenced Communist country?<p>If Mandela was a secret operative for the communists in South Africa, as the local communist party claimed when he died, and as this former CIA operative has claimed, then he had to have known he was playing a tricky game. Ending apartheid, creating a communist paradise, pick one.<p>[Edit] I know I&#x27;m being downvoted, but I also doubt anyone commenting here lives in a communist country, or has ever spent much time in one.
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