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Feds spend billions to run museum-ready computer systems

96 点作者 twakefield将近 9 年前

14 条评论

Johnny555将近 9 年前
Using floppy disks and old hardware and software doesn't sound like a problem if it still runs and does what it's supposed to do. I'm skeptical that building a modern system would really save money since the temptation for feature creep is too great.
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nickpsecurity将近 9 年前
The real problem is there&#x27;s huge, legacy systems tied to these platforms that they don&#x27;t understand and are too risky to port&#x2F;re-engineer. Think of our military systems or payroll going down since software was ported wrong or relied on underdocumented assembler or compiler feature.<p>There&#x27;s some hope on reducing costs at least. Look up NuVAX for an example of emulators being designed to work <i>exacly</i> like old hardware for fraction of price, space, energy, and so on. I haven&#x27;t heard attempts but next step might be instrumenting them to trace programs code&#x2F;data for porting. Or binary translation to modern architectures. I know DEC did latter for VAX-to-Alpha port.
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DanielBMarkham将近 9 年前
Most federal systems that are anywhere over ten years old (and that&#x27;s most of them) are complete mysteries to the people who both use and maintain them.<p>A long time ago, I was responsible for such a system. I didn&#x27;t ask for the job; I simply was the smartest person in the room for too long.<p>I vividly remember one day we had a problem with folks in a remote location entering things and those things getting mangled and&#x2F;or lost on the way to the system-of-record.<p>For one system, with maybe five thousand users and perhaps a few gigabytes of traffic a month, I was on a call with 30 people spanning most of the Earth. I learned that there were at least a dozen separate systems at that location between the person entering the data and the data being sent to HQ. Each system was old. Each system had a separate vendor which claimed to be the only vendor to understand that system (Sometimes this was true. Many times they were just bluffing.)<p>And -- and this was the kicker -- for each of our dozens of locations, each location manager, because of their friendship with politicians, made their own decisions about how machines were configured and which programs were installed. They were complaining to us because things were bad, but they did not feel like they answered to us.<p>I was responsible for fixing it.<p>At the end of that call, I was reminded of Arthur C. Clarke&#x27;s quip: Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.<p>But I doubt I thought of it in the way he meant it.
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paavokoya将近 9 年前
To be fair, my last employer (aerospace manuf.) ran an incredibly dated and ancient OS with pretty decent results. It was simple, to the point, ugly as hell but got the job done without needing constant updates etc etc. Also we never had a problem with malware (because who writes malware for a 30 year old OS?)<p>I understand this article mentions many different sectors and functions for antiquated systems but sometimes an update simply isn&#x27;t needed.
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Animats将近 9 年前
On the other hand, they&#x27;re getting decades out of the software. Use the bleeding-edge stuff, and it&#x27;s obsolete in two or three years now. Use a &quot;cloud&quot; service, and the service probably goes away within five years. The new stuff has too much churn. Where will Rails be in ten years? Python? Java will still be around; it&#x27;s the successor to COBOL.
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protomyth将近 9 年前
I wonder, what would be your answer is someone came up to you and said &quot;We need a computer that we can maintain and keep in service for 50 years or more. What should we do?&quot;.
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gherkin0将近 9 年前
Honestly, I don&#x27;t see good solution to this until the rate of technological change really slows down. It seems like your options are to either pay to periodically re-engineer every system or pay to maintain obsolete hardware.
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panic将近 9 年前
&quot;Feds spend billions to maintain museum-ready buildings&quot;<p>&quot;Feds spend billions to enforce museum-ready laws&quot;<p>These computer systems aren&#x27;t even that old compared to many things the government spends money on.
Shivetya将近 9 年前
anecdotal, in the early to mid eighties I was in the US Air Force. The machine I was first assigned to watch over was in the secure comm center. This burroughs machine was the first non-tube computer made by burroughs. it could boot from paper tape or card and was replete with blinking lights.<p>later I moved up in tech to a sperry&#x2F;unisys system. all our personnel data and such was loaded via cards, physical cards in multiple boxes till near 88.<p>So honestly I don&#x27;t doubt they still do similar. I was just so glad we got out of boxes of cards because having to fix runs each night got old and all for bent card.<p>it got me into programming, turbo pascal at the time. why, when we moved off physical cards it was then onto 360k floppies. The problem was, the upload&#x2F;download programs provided could take half an hour or more to transfer to the 1100&#x2F;70. The turbo pascal program did it in five or less per disk without issue.
syngrog66将近 9 年前
On one hand it seems inefficient and perhaps dangerous to be reliant on such old systems. On the other hand, the idea of a new software project to replace it also sounds at risk of being extremely expensive and overly complicated. Because of all the government contracting anti-patterns.<p>In theory there&#x27;s a middle ground that avoids both these extremes. In reality, with government software... I&#x27;m skeptical it will happen.
chx将近 9 年前
I want to know only one thing: COBOL is named under Social Security so I suspect the &quot;outdated computer language that is difficult to write and maintain&quot; Treasury uses is not COBOL -- but oh god then what it is??
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tn13将近 9 年前
Despite all the ipads and what note I have found a pen and notebook to be the better note taking equipment than anything else.<p>If it is getting the job done cheaply and efficiently that required and better than the alternatives it is the best technology to use.
jenkstom将近 9 年前
Seems like a great opportunity for virtualization...
JackPoach将近 9 年前
I think this deserves its own term - porkware