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The Liberal Blind Spot

64 点作者 nkzednan大约 9 年前

11 条评论

gozur88大约 9 年前
That's because they're not actually liberals. They're leftists. Would it be too much to ask that we use the word "liberal" the way the rest of the Anglosphere does?
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ebola1717大约 9 年前
This is a messy and poorly constructed argument. In the abstract, sure the author&#x27;s not wrong that the academy lacks conservative voices, but what concretely are we missing? In economics, the contributions of conservative thinkers is clear. What&#x27;s the equivalent for conservative voices in sociology? That in fact, blacks are poor because of their culture and not ongoing structural racism? I honestly feel that any worthwhile conservative arguments are being made by center-left thinkers.<p>This particularly is incredibly disingenuous:<p>&gt; I suspect many liberals disdain evangelicals in part because they don’t have any evangelical friends.<p>The comparison to Muslims is an awful false equivalence. First of all, discriminating against someone because they hold intolerant beliefs is categorically different from discriminating against someone based on their religion (and let&#x27;s be honest, given that Sikhs and other South Asians get targeted, it&#x27;s really a racial issue). Second, he&#x27;s postulating this without any evidence. Lots of academics grew up in the South or the Midwest, and a lot of great universities are in those areas as well. Thirdly, even if someone doesn&#x27;t know an evangelical personally, they are exposed to Jerry Falwell, the Bush administration, Fox News, Kim Davis, etc.<p>If Kristoff wants to make the claim that individual conservatives shouldn&#x27;t be judged based on the plethora of conservative thought leaders that represent them in the media, he needs to provide an actual argument for that distinction. If he doesn&#x27;t want racists, homophobes, misogynists, etc. in the academy, he needs to provide examples of the useful discourse we are missing out on.<p>Frankly, the center-left vs hard-left feel like the debates we should be having as a society, e.g. how do we reconcile the racist history of our most esteemed institutions with our modern values, or how do we deal with the consequences of tech rapidly eliminating the livelihoods of millions of working class citizens.
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Afforess大约 9 年前
When this topic comes up, I feel &quot;I Can Tolerate Anything Except The Outgroup&quot;[1] should be mandatory reading. Tolerance isn&#x27;t about allowing dissent or including marginal groups. Tolerance is difficult, unpleasant, and uncomfortable. If you don&#x27;t feel those particular traits for any given groups opinions, then it isn&#x27;t tolerance.<p>[1] <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;slatestarcodex.com&#x2F;2014&#x2F;09&#x2F;30&#x2F;i-can-tolerate-anything-except-the-outgroup&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;slatestarcodex.com&#x2F;2014&#x2F;09&#x2F;30&#x2F;i-can-tolerate-anything...</a>
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ender7大约 9 年前
<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Paradox_of_tolerance" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Paradox_of_tolerance</a>
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jrapdx3大约 9 年前
It&#x27;s hard not to agree with the premise of the article, basically that we should live by the values we assert. Or as often expressed on HN, we should &quot;eat our own dogfood&quot;.<p>I guess it&#x27;s the familiar problem of awareness of one&#x27;s own biases, and the classic example of the kind of &quot;insight&quot; that few people achieve. Acceptance of others feedback and interpretations of reality is usually essential for such self-development. Likely the author believes the essential components are missing: both the diversity of world views and the willingness to hear them.<p>Reminds me of HN discussions about diversity in tech industries, while widely divergent points of view are expressed, moderators caution us to express experiences and opinions in a civil manner. That can&#x27;t be too much to ask.<p>Lucky for me I&#x27;ve not had to deal with academia in a long time. Remarks like those in the article give the impression that there is increasing bias and intolerance. Of course that couldn&#x27;t be uniformly true among institutions and disciplines, but to the extent it exists it would be pernicious.<p>To those on HN who have current first-hand experience in academic environments, I&#x27;d love to ask how much the situation resembles that noted in the article.<p>Edit: keeping a good thought the thread&#x27;s subject can be discussed calmly, better to be able to learn something from it.
guelo大约 9 年前
Conservatives love liberals and are super inclusive of them. This is only a problem on the liberal side.
kaid大约 9 年前
It&#x27;s quite ok if people have prejudices, and even discrimination, or any other thoughts that are controversial, as long as their actions aren&#x27;t harming another person&#x27;s property.<p>In my personal observation, the problem of liberalism, is it is trying to enforce a ideology&#x2F;doctrine in a larger scale, through law making process or extensive propaganda, etc.
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esolyt大约 9 年前
It is not a blind spot. Intolerance against intolerance is intentional.<p>&gt; Surveys show that Americans have negative views of Muslims when they don’t know any; I suspect many liberals disdain evangelicals in part because they don’t have any evangelical friends.<p>If a liberal perceives Muslims and evangelicals to be intolerant (or at least less tolerant than themselves), their intolerance against them will be intentional and it may serve a purpose.
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Frozenlock大约 9 年前
It&#x27;s too late for leftists.<p>The leftist narrative lost with Gamergate.<p>All the domains used to crumble in face of the leftists. They went after individuals and tried to get them fired. They virtue-signaled even in Github repos. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;joyent&#x2F;libuv&#x2F;pull&#x2F;1015" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;joyent&#x2F;libuv&#x2F;pull&#x2F;1015</a><p>Everyone who wasn&#x27;t inclusive enough got attacked. You career was in jeopardy if you ever dared to think something a little outside the norm.<p>Politics, scifi, comedy, STEMs... Every and all domain fell.<p>Except gamers. Gamergate was when everything changed. This is when being more-progressive-than-thou stopped working.<p>The pendulum stopped moving left.<p>To anyone who&#x27;s been paying attention (and old enough to understand), this was a major event.<p>Everything since then was just going through the motion. An immense building crumbling down while everyone inside it is trying to get to the top. &quot;I&#x27;m more tolerant than you; I accept trans in my bathroom!&quot;<p>If you are even slightly interested in history and sociology, you should be very attentive to the next few months&#x2F;years.<p>As a more libertarian&#x2F;right-wing individual, it is a glorious thing to see.<p>I just hope that the leftist didn&#x27;t push the pendulum so far that it&#x27;s going to come back with a vengeance and destroy everything it its path.
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hnamazon123大约 9 年前
If he got this far, this guy is about 2 months away from supporting Trump.<p>Leftism is a religion and leftists are some of the most close-minded people you will ever meet.<p>MAGA
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vacri大约 9 年前
The author is missing the point of tolerance, which at it&#x27;s core is &quot;don&#x27;t bother other people&quot;. <i>Evangelical</i> christians, by definition, bother other people.
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