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Nest’s time at Alphabet

189 点作者 suprgeek将近 9 年前

13 条评论

ChuckMcM将近 9 年前
This sums up Google in a single paragraph:<p><i>In 2015 Nest posted job listings for its &quot;Nest Audio Team.&quot; The team would be responsible for &quot;developing an audio roadmap for Nest products.&quot; Industry observers suspected the audio team was building a smart Bluetooth speaker, but Google beat Nest to the punch with Google Home, an Amazon Echo-style Bluetooth speaker and voice assistant appliance. According to a report from The Information, when Nest found out about Google Home, it asked to work on the project with Google. Nest&#x27;s request was turned down. We can only guess why—maybe Nest&#x27;s reputation inside Google had something to do with it?</i><p>Often times Google has multiple projects doing effectively the same &quot;thing&quot; going at the same time. They don&#x27;t work together because the idea is to have the team that can get to the &quot;finish line&quot; first to win, not to co-operate. This, as it was explained to me by an engineering director there, was to encourage a &#x27;natural selection mechanism that selected for the best teams and the best products.&#x27;<p>While I understood the idea, that you would pit your own resources against each other like that was kind of foreign to me. My own personal learning from that, having watched them for 15 years, four of which from the inside, is that as a way of managing a company it produces few viable products and no viable businesses.
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dexwiz将近 9 年前
IoT is a fad. I have yet to see very many convincing arguments on why my house needs to be online. The existing products (locks, sensors, smoke detectors) are barely different from existing home security products that have been on the market for years. The functionality of Echo&#x2F;OnHub is largely covered by smartphones. They promise integration with other home IoT devices that do not exist yet.<p>People are very hesitant to buy new appliances&#x2F;home products. The last major change to the American home was the television, and that was ~50 years ago. Desktops had their day, but have been largely replaced by Laptops&#x2F;Smartphones for many consumers. Adoption of new home appliances and technologies is glacially slow.<p>Also newer electronics have shown they need replaced&#x2F;upgraded every 2-5 years. You are going to be hard pressed to sell the idea that the consumer needs to replace all their light switches and smoke detectors even every 10 years. I barely replace light bulbs at that rate now.<p>Cars about the only place where the IoT call home paradigm works. They are complicated machines that need semi regular maintenance. Placing sensors all over it makes sense. Trading updates for telemetry is attractive because a cars computer needs updates like any other computer. But I don&#x27;t need a fridge that senses when I am low on milk, when I can just as easily look inside it and tell for myself.<p>EDIT: I think I should clarify that home IoT is a fad. Having machines feed back telemetry is useful, especially commercial machines with a service contract. The data is useful when its actionable. Data for the sake of data in the home is a waste.
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throwaway23716将近 9 年前
As a Googler, a thus invested in the success of Nest as a business, I&#x27;m fucking furious at Fadell&#x27;s lack of leadership.<p>As an owner of many Nest products, and thus invested into the success of the Nest ecosystem, I&#x27;m also fucking furious.<p>What a waste.
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awesomerobot将近 9 年前
Doesn&#x27;t Nest have like 1200 employees? What are they doing day-to-day? With that many people it seems like you&#x27;d almost release a product accidentally.
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TheGuyWhoCodes将近 9 年前
That&#x27;s a nice 3B$ flop right there, 3.5B$ if you take the dropcam into account. Why couldn&#x27;t they just focus on small inexpensive products that sell without thinking? Take chrome cast for example, great product, cheap price, don&#x27;t really have to debate if I want to buy it.<p>Hey Google, here is an idea, why don&#x27;t you make an IoT button that can talk&#x2F;control other devices like bttn or flic but costs just 5$ (I&#x27;m looking at you Amazon dash). They will sell like hotcakes!<p>After that you can introduce some other products, maybe under the home brand, like a device that control your AC (it just needs to work, doesn&#x27;t have to be apple like the Nest) or one that monitors your water heater. What about a small device that checks for leaks in your pipes. There is so much stuff todo here.
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danso将近 9 年前
The debacle of the smoke alarm made me immediately regret buying one of my friends for their newborn son&#x27;s room. But wow, the following sounds like an utter fail...if quadrupling the headcount doesn&#x27;t bring new products, then you at least expect the old product to have tried overexpanding into new markets...they weren&#x27;t even able to do that:<p><i>Even by Fadell&#x27;s own standards, the Google acquisition doesn&#x27;t seem to have led to huge wins for Nest. In an interview with Bloomberg shortly after the sale, Fadell was asked what the move would mean for Nest. &quot;For us it was about getting out to the world faster&quot; Fadell said. &quot;[Our products are imported] in 96 countries where we don&#x27;t even sell today. We can see these devices being connected but we can&#x27;t get there fast enough. For us, going with Google, we can get access to resources to allow us to move these products around the world much more quickly.&quot; Before the Google acquisition, Nest was for sale in three countries. In two-and-a-half years under Google and Alphabet, Nest expanded to just four more countries.</i>
Animats将近 9 年前
Alphabet trashed their robotics companies. They trashed their IoT companies. I hope they don&#x27;t trash the self-driving car operation.
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ericabiz将近 9 年前
The article says Nest may be up for sale, which would make sense. I have to think that the buyer would probably buy Nest for the underlying technology and not the brand at this point, however.<p>I have an original Nest thermostat but would never buy another Nest product due to the horror stories that continually pop up online. I don&#x27;t follow Nest closely or have any particular interest in them, but I remember the video they reference in the article from the Google employee who couldn&#x27;t stop the smoke detectors from false alarming, and I also saw the news when they decided to &quot;brick&quot; a $300 product they acquired.<p>Based on those two things alone, I don&#x27;t feel like they take customer satisfaction seriously, nor do I have confidence in their ability to build a good product--even though my thermostat has never had any issues. I doubt I&#x27;m alone in this.
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revelation将近 9 年前
<i>Nest grew from 280 employees around the time of the Google acquisition to 1200 employees today.</i><p>Holy.. what are they all doing?
j0hnj0nes将近 9 年前
all of this comment and not a single one seems constructive...<p>Nest the company problem as consumers (myself being one) seems to be Software...<p>I use the nest software and simply put it&#x27;s not up to scratch<p>The Hardware is beautiful if only the software was...<p>For example the nest protect has temperature sensors yet the Nest thermostat can not use these...<p>Nor can the software operate without access to the &quot;cloud&quot; even in a reduced ability.<p>Google OnHub suffers from the same Software problems, Great hardware and nice low level drivers however it cant even use IPv6 which for a router is pretty basic<p>my advice for the incoming CEO, interoperability Simple<p>make use of thread &amp; brillo (software) to unify things... (produce an alarm but have the option of ADT as the responder)<p>Unify the products so they can work within a LAN and expand outside of the USA.<p>I hope that helps<p>John
abritinthebay将近 9 年前
I love my Nest thermostat- it&#x27;s still better than any other smart thermostat out there in build quality and reliability (tho the Ecobee series is slightly more feature rich) - but I can&#x27;t say I&#x27;m surprised.<p>Nest is, in many ways, the most disappointing company. I&#x27;m not sure how much of that is just down to them lacking vision or leadership though - they have the skills to do great things.
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mtgx将近 9 年前
I wonder if it had crossed Google leaders&#x27; minds that Nest would fail <i>after</i> acquiring them because people don&#x27;t trust Google to gather their data.
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1945将近 9 年前
Hacker news is oddly obsessed with negative Nest press. Suspiciously so.
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