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World’s Biggest Indoor Vertical Farm Near NYC to Use 95% Less Water

156 点作者 rottyguy将近 9 年前

15 条评论

brudgers将近 9 年前
[Warning metric not used]<p>I was reading this and trying to parse the economics. I mean 70k square feet is about two acres [@ 43560&#x2F;acre] and at 75x efficiency per square foot it works out to about 150 acres of farmland. Lets call it a quarter section [160 acres]. Now a quarter section is the size farm my boy&#x27;s Great Grandpa Fred farmed with his German speaking father and a mule in Kussuth County, Iowa the better part of 100 years ago. Enough land in a year with no major misfortune to support a family farm as a business but that today would perhaps need subscribed city folk and organic certification and a used tractor to be a gentleman&#x27;s break even hobby.<p>At this point in the rant I was going to write, I was going to write about how little food two million pounds is and how it would never make a dent in the logistics of feeding people. And as I composed that part in my head, &quot;two million pounds&quot; seemed a queer [with no sexual connotation] way of marketing the output. And the whole thing made little sense economically...I mean even at Whole Foods, two million pounds of tomatoes might barely keep the lights on and the employee parking lot full.<p>I thought &quot;What are they smoking?&quot; And it looks to me like this is an effort to get out in front of marijuana legalization. Two million pounds at even a piddly $1000&#x2F;per does make sense with the big bucks of the Big Apple&#x27;s stoners spitting distance away. And since that is consistent with my heuristic that when someone looks like an idiot and they&#x27;re not a teenager, then I&#x27;m probably the idiot if I assume that they are, so I figure that getting ready for growing weed is about the best sense of the venture I&#x27;m going to make.
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kefka将近 9 年前
There&#x27;s something neat going on here.<p>Projects like this take growing that happens in the rural areas to the city. We&#x27;ve always had a strife between country and city life, and country life is where food is grown. With this change, we&#x27;re seeing food done in the city as well.<p>Of course this could be seen as potentially bad for farmers, as they lose a bit more control...<p>But there&#x27;s some awesome upsides:<p>Potentially completely robotic. I was looking into with a friend about an automated greenhouse. It fell through due to medical disasters, but we had the nuts and bolts figured out. The gist is hydroponics with tilapia serving as protein and fertilizer for the plants. It would take around 10 mins&#x2F;day for up to 100sq. ft. (it&#x27;s considered that 25 sq ft is enough to feed a human indefinitely.)<p>Provides food for a city. Now, instead of having to rely on &#x27;elsewhere&#x27;, we can point to the building where our food comes from. The gist here is that there&#x27;s now food security.<p>Lower transportation costs. Now, instead of food coming from &#x27;elsewhere&#x27;, it comes from the building over there. Distribution costs are cheaper, storage is onsite and local.<p>Is not subject to the growing season. With this system in place, the growing season is now 24&#x2F;7&#x2F;365.<p>Is also not subject to a host of pests or other environmental damaging effects. Everything is controlled: light, rain, drainage, nutrients. So yields will be much higher than on land.<p>Organic can be much easier. Since there&#x27;s few&#x2F;no pests, neonitonoids and similar aren&#x27;t needed, nor are other nasty insecticides and herbicides.<p>Yes, it does cost more, due to using electricity. However solar is getting cheaper. These buildings could also be used in conjunction with spillover from power plants: There&#x27;s no reason why the day&#x2F;night cycle can&#x27;t be switched, so that the grow building is using power at night, when power is usually not consumed (and is cheaper).<p>Edit: Seriously, modded down already? How about whoever did that <i>also</i> leave a comment why this is not good content?
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pjc50将近 9 年前
... and how much energy by comparison with conventional outdoor farming?
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tgb将近 9 年前
It seems like NYC is a poor place to house this. Ideally, if you wanted it to be viable and not just a proof-of-concept, you&#x27;d find somewhere with cheap electricity, cheaper land&#x2F;rent than NYC[1], and expensive fresh produce. My guess is Iceland would be a good spot, and I&#x27;d be a little surprised if they didn&#x27;t have something like this already in the works. Iceland also has another side benefit for traditional greenhouses: the ground can naturally heat the houses. <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nea.is&#x2F;geothermal&#x2F;direct-utilization&#x2F;greenhouses&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nea.is&#x2F;geothermal&#x2F;direct-utilization&#x2F;greenhouses&#x2F;</a><p>[1] It&#x27;s actually in Newark, not sure what property prices are like there.
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hallman76将近 9 年前
For folks in the Northeast US, the Backyard Farms brand of tomatoes has a similarly fascinating growing process[1]. They&#x27;re grown in greenhouse in Maine that&#x27;s the size of 20 football fields[2]. There are no pests and therefore no pesticides; no dirt, so no washing.<p>[1] <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nytimes.com&#x2F;2010&#x2F;03&#x2F;31&#x2F;dining&#x2F;31tomato.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nytimes.com&#x2F;2010&#x2F;03&#x2F;31&#x2F;dining&#x2F;31tomato.html</a> [2] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Backyard_Farms" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Backyard_Farms</a>
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OhHeyItsE将近 9 年前
&quot;Near NYC&quot; :(<p>C&#x27;mon - throw Newark a bone already!
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mrfusion将近 9 年前
Wouldn&#x27;t issues with weeds and pests also be way better? You just don&#x27;t let them in?<p>If they could sell crops with zero herbicides or pesticides you&#x27;d think they could clean up.
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foxhop将近 9 年前
Food isn&#x27;t supposed to grow without soil, minerials, fungus, and sunlight. It&#x27;s going to be empty of nutrition and flavor. A shell of an idea of what constitutes lettuce or a carrot, tomato or potatoe.<p>These data center clean rooms for factory food is just riddled with issues, abstracted layers of nonsense tech that wirks worse then the natural systems already working and present in nature.
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wcchandler将近 9 年前
Man this stuff gets me pumped up. I&#x27;ve always wanted to be a farmer, but it never made economical sense to pursue. I&#x27;ve been dabbling (more than just dabbling...) with hydroponics, LEDs and automation for grows. Within the next 3-5 years I&#x27;ll probably be able to finally pursue this dream with all these advancements. Love it! Can&#x27;t wait!
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joslin01将近 9 年前
If you&#x27;re interested in indoor farming, you&#x27;d probably be interested in aquaponics[1] -- the successful integration of hydroponics &amp; aquaculture.<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=HYR9s6chrI0" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=HYR9s6chrI0</a>
petepete将近 9 年前
Not really on the same scale but there&#x27;s a farm in a former air raid shelter beneath London.<p><a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;growing-underground.com&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;growing-underground.com&#x2F;</a>
marak830将近 9 年前
Damn. I was going to say we need this in Japan, but it does mention a Japanese one. I wonder what the costs are like though? Worker hours and electrical).
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Dowwie将近 9 年前
related post I made 12 days ago, but reported by IEEE <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=11766006" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=11766006</a>
asimuvPR将近 9 年前
OT: A good way to explore more about vertical indoor farming is playing the game Minecraft on a public server (the reddit server (nerd.nu) is good). You will see many working examples that will simply blow your mind away.
fencepost将近 9 年前
I wish I&#x27;d seen this and had a chance to reply earlier. I think a lot of commenters are missing some key points. First, this is still pretty early-stage stuff, and it&#x27;s quite likely that almost everyone working in this field right now is not going to get rich any more than most of the people working on gasoline-powered horseless carriages got rich.<p>My personal prediction is that this kind of thing is going to be a lot more common in 40 years regardless of whether the current stuff is going to be used for growing pot - and pot itself will become a much less profitable crop with legalization, though the security advantages of this kind of indoor volume growing (fields and fences? why bother?) may prolong that.<p>What&#x27;s going to be a bigger factor over time is climate change - not in the form of &quot;zomg we&#x27;re all going to cook and the plants will all die!&quot; but in the form of increased atmospheric water and energy and extreme weather events. How many monsoon-style torrential rains per decade does it take to have a significant impact on farming? Growing up in the Midwest I used to regularly hear &quot;farm reports&quot; on the radio about crop damage due to hailstorms and heavy thunderstorms; for a lot of farmers it won&#x27;t take a lot of damage to make their farms economically unviable. Some of this may disproportionately impact areas where a lot of food is grown[1], but it&#x27;s not going to be isolated to those areas [2]. The water carrying capacity of air increases by more than 38% between 25 and 30 degrees Celsius (20g&#x2F;kg to 27.7g&#x2F;kg), and while a 5 degree change might be extreme, we&#x27;re certainly going to blow right past a 2 degree change. That extra water (and the heat energy it holds) are going to be seen in weather.<p>There may also be some significant changes in building - for example, an all-glass skyscraper (if unobstructed) might well have an outer &quot;shell&quot; 5 feet from interior windows, with vertical plantings of some sort within that space - plants&#x2F;greenery either for or just visible to the occupants, and if you go more extreme you might see exteriors covered with transparent photovoltaics [3] that pass through frequencies of light that are used by plants while simultaneously powering LEDs that convert the other frequencies into something the plants can use.<p>Remember, the folks working on this stuff right now are the Apple Newton developers of their industry. What are the iPads of the industry going to look like?<p>[1] <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.water.ca.gov&#x2F;climatechange&#x2F;docs&#x2F;dwr_extremes_wkshop_jan2012-MikeDettinger131.pdf" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.water.ca.gov&#x2F;climatechange&#x2F;docs&#x2F;dwr_extremes_wksh...</a><p>[2] <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.earthobservatory.nasa.gov&#x2F;Features&#x2F;Water&#x2F;page3.php" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.earthobservatory.nasa.gov&#x2F;Features&#x2F;Water&#x2F;page3.ph...</a><p>[3] <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;mitei.mit.edu&#x2F;news&#x2F;transparent-solar-cells" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;mitei.mit.edu&#x2F;news&#x2F;transparent-solar-cells</a>