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Statement by Jill Bähring Regarding Jacob Appelbaum

156 点作者 3ot将近 9 年前

13 条评论

syngrog66将近 9 年前
When I read all the complainers stories my initial reaction was I noticed a fairly consistent style of &quot;spinning&quot; each account in a way to smear Applebaum. They each seemed designed to imply he did evil things, without truly saying it.<p>Today we get this account, from one of Applebaum&#x27;s supposed &quot;victims&quot; and, surprise surprise, her tale is pretty innocent and de-spun and totally oppositely aligned from the anti-Applebaum portayals we heard initially.<p>I bet more of the anti-Applebaum tales will start to get debunked. It sounded way too fishy and too much like a coordinated smear. Even the symmetry with how Assange (another big Wikileaks guy) was smeared by his Swedish sex thing seemed like a suspicious coincidence.<p>There may or may not be some kernal of truth in those anti-Applebaum statements. But there also smells like a lot of poorly disguised bullshit spin wrapped around it.<p>Keep in mind this space involves the NSA, Wikileaks, state actors, billion dollar budgets, multi-billion dollar empires at stake. False flag ops, bribery and propaganda are a real thing that govs do. Established historical reality.<p>Also... Rape is a real thing, and when it happens, thats bad. Lying and spinning and smearing are also real things that happen. So much of the skepticism we sometimes see about the former, unfortunately, is because of the latter. Truth is sometimes murky and often nuanced, or he-said&#x2F;she-said.
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TillE将近 9 年前
&quot;Wonder about the witnesses in all these stories, who coincidentally always seem to consist of the same set of people.&quot;<p>Yeah... From what I&#x27;ve seen, the confirmed first-person stories suggest that Appelbaum is probably a huge asshole, but the worst stuff is contained in anonymous accounts filtered through a handful of people, at least one of whom has a weird axe to grind about &quot;plagiarism&quot;.<p>Something feels very off about the whole coordinated effort. This is not a normal way to accuse someone of terrible criminal behavior, by mixing those stories in with mere jerkitude.
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tremon将近 9 年前
<i>Wonder about their motive to speak on my behalf without my consent.</i><p>Thank you, Jill, for your statement and I&#x27;d like to offer you my sincerest apologies on behalf of all of civilized society.
biafra将近 9 年前
@jillbaeh confirming authorship: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;jillbaeh&#x2F;status&#x2F;741023991041646592" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;jillbaeh&#x2F;status&#x2F;741023991041646592</a>
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peterkelly将近 9 年前
&quot;How covert agents infiltrate the internet to manipulate, deceive, and destroy reputations&quot;<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;theintercept.com&#x2F;2014&#x2F;02&#x2F;24&#x2F;jtrig-manipulation&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;theintercept.com&#x2F;2014&#x2F;02&#x2F;24&#x2F;jtrig-manipulation&#x2F;</a><p><i>&quot;Among the core self-identified purposes of JTRIG are two tactics: (1) to inject all sorts of false material onto the internet in order to destroy the reputation of its targets; and (2) to use social sciences and other techniques to manipulate online discourse and activism to generate outcomes it considers desirable.&quot;</i><p>Maybe the other recent negative stories about Appelbaum are true. Or maybe they are created by GCHQ. Prior to the above being made publicly known, I would have just assumed the former. But now, how can we be sure?
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CoffeeDregs将近 9 年前
I&#x27;m confused. This was on the front page a moment ago. Now it is not.<p>This article was<p>119 points @ 3 hours<p>Current front page contains (sampled):<p>38 points @ 2 hours<p>87 points @ 4 hours<p>59 points @ 3 hours<p>26 points @ 2 hours<p>110 points @ 6 hours<p>35 points @ 7 hours<p>Or am I just not seeing it?
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xcasex将近 9 年前
the infosec scene is in a place the OSS scene was in ˜13-14 years ago, before the formal introduction of the gnome foundation, kde reorg. guess what both of those projects have? outreach programmes and ombudsmän.<p>now, guess what the tor project lacks.<p>as you&#x27;re probably thinking right now &quot;but how in the f...&quot; simple, OSS has had to deal with toxic enviroments and individuals. one of the cornerstones is, listen, corroborate, recommend, act.<p>the infosec community as a whole lack formal mature organisations to deal with these kinds of situations.<p>what we&#x27;re still lacking in the witness accounts are timeframes, we have something of a picture from very vague details from leaked emails, these can be regarding pretty much anything, aside from one which is about _unspecified_ misconduct at a conference.<p>the sad thing here is that people can change, victims with trauma live with the trauma, so listen, validate, no-shame or pre-judgement.<p>but the infosec scene isnt a special snowflake exempt from the social contract of society, we all co-sign it by living in a nationstate, so we need to uphold it because the alternative is chaos.<p>if there is a legitimate grievance, report it, go through the system. hell, even brokep says as much, and he trusts the system on this, even though the process he has been forced to endure.
SNvD7vEJ将近 9 年前
Media &amp; mob justice at it&#x27;s finest, requiring people to prove their innocence instead of the other way around.<p>Disgusting.
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MollyR将近 9 年前
Wow. just wow. I feel ashamed for making up my mind too quickly.
tmpanon1234act将近 9 年前
What&#x27;s especially shameful about all of this is that a ton of smart people rushed to condemn Applebaum before we had a complete accounting. If this many intelligent people can prematurely convict someone in the court of public opinion, what hope is there for the rest of society?
atzpawn将近 9 年前
Who is &quot;Jill Bähring&quot;?<p>1) The statement is pushed via the same odd channel as Appelbaum&#x27;s message.<p>2) The person exists for one year as a retweet twitter account. From a privacy perspective this person does not seem to &quot;exist&quot; on the internet for long.<p>3) The name sounds like a combination of a German name and an American(?) surname, the legend is also that she resides in the Netherlands. Is this person for real? It was used as a token persona by an apparently base- and meaningless Der Spiegel article, an interview of few youngsters including Jill (20) who - apparently without training as a DaF teacher - carried out German language courses in Costa Rica, returned and lived with her parents. <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.spiegel.de&#x2F;spiegel&#x2F;spiegelwissen&#x2F;d-79922555.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.spiegel.de&#x2F;spiegel&#x2F;spiegelwissen&#x2F;d-79922555.html</a>
draw_down将近 9 年前
Well, that&#x27;s certainly not what I was expecting.<p>If this person really is who they say they are, I&#x27;d have to agree that it&#x27;s more than a little chauvinistic to speak on her behalf as the Gizmodo story did.
microtherion将近 9 年前
It&#x27;s so nice to see that Appelbaum&#x27;s defenders have finally found a woman they believe.
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