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Killing the 3.5mm Jack: How Simple Is Changing into Needlessly Complicated

269 点作者 lost_name将近 9 年前

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kdamken将近 9 年前
I&#x27;m always blown away out how little cell phone manufacturers seem to listen to customer feedback. I don&#x27;t care about my phone being paper thin. I&#x27;d guess most people don&#x27;t either.<p>Often I&#x27;m sitting at work with my headphones plugged into my computer to listen to music. I&#x27;ll then see a little video or something has been sent to me by a friend on my phone. I unplug the headphones from my macbook, plug them into my phone, watch the video, then plug my headphones back into my macbook. Simple.<p>Can you imagine what an annoying hassle it would be to have to pair and unpair the same bluetooth headphones between two devices like that? I&#x27;d be paranoid it&#x27;s not connected to the right device and suddenly I&#x27;m blasting music to the people in my office. Not even including the fact that I now have another thing I need to worry about charging.<p>I like my apple earbuds. They sound nice, let me control the volume and playback, and <i>don&#x27;t need to be charged</i>.<p>Also, all my nice headphones are 3.5mm. I don&#x27;t want to have to get new ones, and I don&#x27;t want to have to carry around a stupid lightning adaptor for them.
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cm2187将近 9 年前
I&#x27;d be OK with killing the audio jack if it was replaced with a common and better standard. But right now, my laptop will have a 3.5mm jack, the iphone 7 will have a lightening port, and any other device will likely use a USB based port. I just have zero appetite to walk around with 3 different earphones or to have to carry multiple dongles in my pocket.<p>I am not going to follow manufacturers on this until they have a solution that is convenient. And that&#x27;s just to remain at par with 3.5mm in term of convenience. Now what do I get for having to replace my headset? Am I really going to notice the difference in quality when I am travelling? Really? It looks to me that it is rather another pathetic attempt to lock people into their hardware, with only Apple approved earphones being compatible with the iphone, etc...
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mmastrac将近 9 年前
I&#x27;m going to be the one to argue here that this is a good thing. The barrel jack has had a long good run, yes. There will definitely be a period of painful transition, yes. In the long run, this will be good.<p>The barrel jack is a hack and has a tonne of downsides. We hacked stereo into a mono plug. We then hacked a mic into the stereo plug. Hotplug detection is a patented minefield mess. It&#x27;s a big plug that tends to collect cruft and makes it difficult to waterproof devices.<p>Eventually we&#x27;ll have USB-C DACs that are cheap and small enough to keep connected to the ends of your headphones. For people that don&#x27;t care about audio quality, a $5 Chinese-branded adapter from Amazon will be indistinguishable in a few years.
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Unklejoe将近 9 年前
I see a lot of comments that say something along the lines of &quot;Apple knows best about what its customers want. The fact that we would prefer to keep the headphone jack doesn&#x27;t matter because we don&#x27;t necessarily represent the average customer.&quot;<p>However, I think that&#x27;s giving them too much credit.<p>It&#x27;s not that Apple &quot;knows what the people actually want&quot;, it&#x27;s that Apple knows how far it can &quot;push&quot; the customers to extract the most amount of money possible. It is a business afterall. Also, they want to lock people into proprietary protocols. The headphone jack isn’t proprietary. Apple probably hates the fact that you can plug a pair of Sony headphones into an iPhone.<p>They know that they have a large enough market share to be able to “drive” things they way they want. As for the other manufacturers ditching the jack as well, they are just following Apple.<p>If Moto was the only company doing this, no one would care. The people who want the jack would simply buy another phone. However, in the case of the iPhone, the barriers of simply switching to another phone are much larger. It&#x27;s unlikely that someone who wishes they had the headphone jack is going to switch to Android just because of that. They will probably just end up biting the bullet and buying whatever adapter is required by Apple.
20tibbygt06将近 9 年前
My car stereo has a 3.5mm jack. My TV has a 3.5mm jack. My speaker system has a 3.5mm jack. The new chromecast has the version with a 3.5mm jack.<p>I just don&#x27;t understand where manufactures are going with this. I recently got a small Bluetooth speaker and have problems pairing from time to time, but not when I have a 3.5mm jack. I just connect the cable and it works. Don&#x27;t even get me started with battery drain.<p>This is really annoying. It all reminds me of when I was searching for my first cellphone and most phone didn&#x27;t have the jack. In the end my first cellphone (Samsung Omnia) didn&#x27;t have a 3.5mm jack and it was really annoying having to buy an adapter in order to listen to music.
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rplst8将近 9 年前
I would be remiss if I didn&#x27;t point out a huge error in this article...<p>&gt; USB-powered headphones will (in theory) run a lot like Bluetooth headphones which have their own DAC&#x2F;AMP. Your phone passes the raw data through to the headphones and it does the required converting. This can be a great thing. Instead of relying on a poorly-calibrated DAC in the particular phone that you are using, you can instead move that component to a piece of hardware you can control. So if 24-bit uncompressed audio is your thing you can have it with any audio source. While this increases the cost of the headphones it will also produce better quality audio if you are willing to put some money into it, which is a win in my book.<p>In this scenario laid out by the author, audio from your music is passed on to a BT device untouched. This is most certainly NOT the case.<p>Regardless of the format of the source audio, uncompressed (WAV,AUF), lossless compressed (ALAC, FLAC, SHN), or lossy (MP3, AAC, etc.), the data is transcoded and repackaged into the Bluetooth stream. What this means is that lossless audio becomes lossy, and lossy audio gets even more lossy.<p>The author&#x27;s assertion that if &quot;24-bit uncompressed audio is your thing you can have it...&quot; is pure B.S. You will be at the mercy of whatever link is between your source device (phone) and your listening device (headset&#x2F;speaker) and what ever hacking of the audio signal it does.
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waimbes将近 9 年前
I agree with some of the stuff in here but...<p>&gt; So while Apple will be successfully pushing its customers towards its Lightning port powered headphones on an established (Apple) standard with readily available products, Android OEM’s that choose follow Lenovo fight a largely uphill battle and an empty ecosystem.<p>This is nothing short of ridiculous. iPhone users have a bit more spending power, but android still represents a huge majority of smartphone users. There is just no chance whatsoever that headphone manufacturers don&#x27;t target android. We might see a very brief lag while android sort of &quot;switches over,&quot; but in the meantime everyone else can just use 3.5mm like they always have.
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cwyers将近 9 年前
I use the 3.5mm jack to send audio out to my car stereo (which is up to date enough to have a 3.5mm input but not up to date enough to have Bluetooth input), and it&#x27;s a pain in the rear, and I go through five or six cables a year. I&#x27;m not sure 3.5mm audio is the hill we all need to die on in the war against the march of technology.
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arielweisberg将近 9 年前
As a borderline audiophile I have mixed feelings mostly tending towards solution in search of a problem.<p>The DACs in Apple products have a very good reputation going all the way back to the early iPods and supposedly they kept getting better. When I travel I bring an Objective 2 headphone amp and AKG Q701 or Beyderdynamic DT-880 600ohm and use my iPhone 6+ as a music player and DAC. I can&#x27;t tell the difference between that and the Objective 2 + ODAC I have at home.<p>In terms of pieces of the audio chain I think DAC is one of the least important in my anecdatal experience. At least if you have a decent one like any Apple device. Onboard audio from a PC&#x2F;laptop motherboard is generally awful and even dedicated sound cards are full of noise and whine. I am very glad to have HDMI audio these days. A USB sound card trivially fixes the issue though.<p>So yeah it&#x27;s nice for high end DACs to become more common, but is it that useful over the convenience of a solid built in DAC? I don&#x27;t think so. That said I suspect the market will respond with adapters and cases that resurrect the 3.5 inch jack without a huge fuss and still pass through other functionality like syncing and charging.<p>For myself and most of Hacker News with above average incomes this is going to be a minor speed bump in terms of cost and a larger inconvenience in terms of more kit to lug around and swap between devices.
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uudecode将近 9 年前
Older computers are getting more valuable ever day.
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niftich将近 9 年前
So when the 3.5mm jack is killed, we&#x27;ll get two USB-C&#x2F;Lightning ports on our phones, right?
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coroutines将近 9 年前
I am thinking..:<p>- Intel is working on adding analog audio over some unused pins on USB 3.1 (sfaik)<p>- Even if USB gets analog audio we will probably see the DAC+amp in computers and phones go away so they have more room for a battery<p>- With USB 3.1 headphones there would be a DAC+amp in&#x2F;on the headphones<p>- With a DAC+amp on the headphones we could select to use the host computers&#x27; DAC+amp or the headphones&#x27; DAC+amp. Choice between quality or battery life?<p>- DRM sucks dicks - but there will always be a way to get between the DAC and the speaker for recording. Let&#x27;s just limit consumer choice, amirite?<p>- Phones and laptops are all going USB, but there aren&#x27;t nearly enough ports - I thought we killed fucking docks in the 90s. They&#x27;re BACK?!?!<p>- USB and keyboard-cases became so expensive when tablets became popular... docks for more ports and audio will similarly be $100 and above.<p>- We might see the DAC+amp become another accessory to interchange between the digital audio source and the speakers. Another $100 device for enthusiasts.<p>- Lightning seems way better than USB type-c (physically better), but no way am I buying it just to be in the Apple crowd.<p>- Cash grab or DRM blitz? or both?
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Animats将近 9 年前
If the phone industry is going to go that way, they should go for no connectors at all, wireless charging, and a hermetically sealed unit. Less to go wrong. The battery doesn&#x27;t need to be replaceable, just better. Use lithium iron phosphate batteries. Those are good for &gt; 2000 charge cycles, instead of the 500 or so for ordinary lithium-ion. You take only a 14% hit in capacity for this.<p>Headphones should be Bluetooth. With WiFi and GSM, who needs a a cable?<p>There&#x27;s no reason screens should crack before their user does. Check out the Caterpillar B15 phone. You can drop it, pound on it with a hammer, and run over it with a car without damaging it.[1][2]<p>You shouldn&#x27;t have to fix a phone.<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=mVPku-xItv8" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=mVPku-xItv8</a> [2] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=0Xaq3pduPv4" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=0Xaq3pduPv4</a>
mwexler将近 9 年前
We already see folks like Bose making wireless (BT) noise-canceling in-ear headphones with no audio cable capability (QC30, <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.cnet.com&#x2F;products&#x2F;bose-quietcontrol-30&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.cnet.com&#x2F;products&#x2F;bose-quietcontrol-30&#x2F;</a>).<p>The new Bose on-ear noise canceling wireless headphones QC35 (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.bose.com&#x2F;en_us&#x2F;products&#x2F;featured&#x2F;qc35.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.bose.com&#x2F;en_us&#x2F;products&#x2F;featured&#x2F;qc35.html</a>) do include the cable... but for how long?<p>The original post tries to shy away from BT and wireless, but that may wind up being where things head, for better or worse.
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dredmorbius将近 9 年前
Here&#x27;s why I want physical ports.<p>If I can plug in my earphones <i>and microphone</i>, I can <i>unplug</i> them.<p>And unplugged, they&#x27;re dead.<p>No non-wired alternative offers that simple, visually-confirmable affordance.<p>And if you want to kill something on the device, kill the onboard mic.
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curiousgal将近 9 年前
To me, most of the arguments against this move sound as if they have their backs against the wall. Well, you don&#x27;t, you are not forced to buy it and <i>that</i> will send the message that it&#x27;s a stupid move. But if we keep moaning about it and purchase the device, it&#x27;ll be a sign of acceptance.<p>This leads me to another rant, take a look at the iPhone 6s or the Galaxy S7 Active, does a user really need a more powerful device? Especially since the use cases are 75% browsing the web and watching videos.
sverige将近 9 年前
If Apple goes this direction, I&#x27;m going to be unhappy. The only (literally, only) reason I got an iPhone 6+ was because Google &#x2F; Android decided they are my mommy and automatically turned down the volume after a short while when I listened to music in my truck. I listen using a 3.5 mm jack since the USB connector on the radio broke from too many cycles of plugging and unplugging.<p>So maybe a few Android phones will retain the 3.5 mm plug and I could use those when this iPhone craps out (battery is already showing its age by cycling faster), but then I&#x27;m stuck having to root the phone and do some xda-developer shit to try to overcome the nanny turning down the volume. Obviously that wasn&#x27;t worth the effort to me, since I bought my first-ever Apple product to get away from that kind of stupidity.
howfun将近 9 年前
Simple fix. Will not be buying such phone.
Hondor将近 9 年前
Whenever I see these negative responses to eliminating legacy technology, I think &quot;would you prefer to wind the clock back and add any obsolete things?&quot; Is there any now-gone port that phones&#x2F;computers should reinstate or is this the very first one that ever appeared in history and our current situation is the final state of perfection?<p>The inconvenience and cost of changing over is usually less than the extra value gained from the progress in the long term. The difficulty is persuading people choosing to initiate the changeover. It&#x27;ll only happen with industry leading phone makers forcing it on us. After a couple of years we&#x27;ll all settle down into the new way and people will stop complaining because everything will be easier.
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kevincox将近 9 年前
I&#x27;m going to go out on a limb and say that I actually like this. I&#x27;m a huge fan at reducing the number of different ports on our devices, and if we can make them the same across phones and computers even better.<p>So this means that I can plug in one USB3 hub and my monitor, speakers, microphone, and external storage are now connected to my computer. That sounds awesome. We are back to docking stations without the propitiatory connectors.<p>However I think that a transition period would be nice. Then again, is anyone going to transition if they aren&#x27;t forced to?
nerevarthelame将近 9 年前
If you want to kill the 3.5mm jack, then the solution is to invest in making Bluetooth headphones less obnoxious to use. Temporarily forcing the world to bungle with USB-C and Lightning adapters, device-specific headphones, and\or poorly developed Bluetooth headphones (which all have relatively short battery lives, obnoxious pairing procedures, etc.) is insane. I wish manufacturers would instead invest in making Bluetooth headphones so nice and functional that people don&#x27;t want a 3.5mm jack, and then you can kill it mercifully.
alkonaut将近 9 年前
Wouldn&#x27;t the simple solution be to just replace the 3.5mm analog jack with a 1.5mm analog jack? As long as I have proper analog out I don&#x27;t mind using an adapter for my old headphones.
pizza将近 9 年前
One thing I&#x27;ve noticed nowadays is that &#x27;AUX cord&#x27; is common nomenclature whereas there used to be a time when people would just look at me funny when I said it.
kristianp将近 9 年前
On a side-note, the DragonFly that is mentioned in a picture is $149 retail! [1]<p>Anyone have a recommendation for a reasonable quality USB DAC&#x2F;Amp that isn&#x27;t audiophile price?<p>Also &quot;AMP&quot; isn&#x27;t an acronym.<p>[1] <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.audioquest.com&#x2F;wp-content&#x2F;uploads&#x2F;2015&#x2F;12&#x2F;AQ_PB_US-Retail_15-12-01.pdf" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.audioquest.com&#x2F;wp-content&#x2F;uploads&#x2F;2015&#x2F;12&#x2F;AQ_PB_U...</a>
martin-adams将近 9 年前
Whatever the proposed change is I do hope the following happens:<p>- It is industry standard - I can use an adapter to put my exiting headphones into it and still use those headphones on legacy devices - I can use headphones and charge my device at the same time (i.e. not sharing the same port) - It is sturdy. The Micro USB is too flimsy for me to use for headphones and stuff in my pocket in it&#x27;s current form.
princeb将近 9 年前
if you are the audiophile kind, then you may already have an portable dac&#x2F;amp that you use with your phone, or have attached to your pc through spdif&#x2F;usb that then goes into your headphones, bypassing the onboard dac&#x2F;amp.<p>what will happen is that some headphone manufacturers will start selling headphones with internal dac&#x2F;amps. there are plenty of pc-oriented headphones that have that, and the gaming oriented ones even have onboard audio processing for surround emulation, like dolby atmos or dolby headphones kind of technology.<p>but what will also happen is that most performance headphone manufacturers will continue making whatever they were making before because a lot of audio equipment out there still rely on the (1&#x2F;4&quot;) phone connectors, and don&#x27;t need to have dac&#x2F;amps built into the headphones because the equipment should have their own already.<p>if consumers don&#x27;t care, they&#x27;ll just continue using the earphones that comes with the iphone, which will likely work out of the box, or they may buy something else off the rack (like beats which will almost surely make headphones that are compatible with the new iphone) that comes with better speakers.<p>if consumers do care, then they&#x27;ll get to put whatever dac&#x2F;amp they love in between their iphone and their headphones.<p>but there are some consumers that care enough about good headphones but not enough about good dac&#x2F;amps (because honestly most smartphone dacs are already pretty good on their own), who will have an existing pair of headphones they like very much but will need to fork out a little bit more for a dac&#x2F;amp they don&#x27;t have. hopefully with apple forcing this arrangement, dac&#x2F;amps become less of a hobby purchase and we&#x27;ll see some mass market $10 portable dac&#x2F;amps hit the stores.
gwbas1c将近 9 年前
There&#x27;s a lot of good that can come from a 100% digital connection between headphones and the player, although I think it&#x27;s too early to just drop the 3.5mm jack.<p>For example, a set of headphones could equalize itself around flaws in its drivers to have a more accurate playback.<p>Perhaps this kind of thing should be test-marketed first? Maybe keep the 3.5mm jack around until there&#x27;s some kind of adoption?
Wildgoose将近 9 年前
I&#x27;ve just bought one of the new iPhone SE models specifically because it still has a 3.5mm jack as well as 20% better battery life than the large iPhone 6 models it shares its internals with.<p>Ever larger and thinner simply does not make sense. The whole point of a mobile phone is that they are robust, portable and practicable and both the above trends are acting against those purposes.
shivsta将近 9 年前
I don&#x27;t want to need to charge up the battery in my headphones to use them. Dealing with a wire is much more simple and reliable than using Bluetooth, especially when you encounter pairing issues between different devices. Hopefully at least the BT pairing process will improve sometime soon (it hasn&#x27;t gotten any easier in the past several years).
Osiris将近 9 年前
If it&#x27;s about thinness, why not just go with 2.5mm? Maybe there&#x27;s a more technical reason like VGA. I recall reading a primary reason to get rid of the VGA connector had to do with it being an analog signal and the extra electronics required to convert the digital to analog, while a digital connection like HDMI and DisplayPort was simpler.
nradov将近 9 年前
I know switching jack standards is always a hassle, but at least USB is at least a little less prone to foreign object contamination. I tried to watch a movie during a recent flight only to discover that there was a dog treat crumb stuck down in the bottom of my cell phone&#x27;s 3.5mm audio port so I couldn&#x27;t insert the headphone plug.
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analog31将近 9 年前
As an amusing aside, the big daddy of the 3.5mm jack has been in use for electric guitars (and other amplified musical instruments) for at least 70 years. It&#x27;s only been within the last decade that the &quot;quarter inch&quot; has been supplanted for connecting speakers, probably due to EU safety regulations.
dogma1138将近 9 年前
The lightning cable is compatible with USB, since it&#x27;s other data paths are hdmi and a few others I don&#x27;t think that apple headphones would use something proprietary just connect to the phone via the usb path if so dumb adapters can be used to convert them to usb type c easily and cheaply.
ungzd将近 9 年前
Today I see less and less people outside listening music either using phone or dedicated player. Maybe that&#x27;s the reason: companies found out that too few people use headphones?
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gcb0将近 9 年前
remember that both nokia and apple already tried that.<p>nokia with custom headset pop ports. and apple with pins changes on the 3,5mm plug that resulted in the plagged state of incompatibility screwing users to this day.<p>thanks apple greed when one 3.5mm headset mic and buttons don&#x27;t work on one device.
mattkrea将近 9 年前
I imagine the author still has a CD drive and likely a 1.44 floppy drive as well. And maybe RCA cables instead of HDMI.<p>I get that this is going to be rough at first (not for me) but does the author expect tech to stay the same forever?
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