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Why Did San Francisco Schools Stop Teaching Algebra in Middle School?

63 点作者 impostervt将近 9 年前

15 条评论

pfarnsworth将近 9 年前
A couple of weeks ago, my Uber driver was a math teacher in the San Francisco school district. He advised me that if I could afford it, that I should unequivocally send my kids to private school and not to public school. The reason is that they now mix students of all abilities together, instead of separating them out and concentrating on each group separately like they did when we were kids. The thought was the good students would &quot;pull up&quot; and &quot;positively influence&quot; the students with less aptitude. However, what it did instead was to give the incentive to teachers to focus on worse students, who tended to be more disruptive, and essentially abandon the good students and let them fend for themselves. He mentioned that the &quot;independent learners&quot; were identified, and instead of being accelerated, they were left alone so that the poorer students could be concentrated on by the teachers.<p>As a side note, I don&#x27;t remember being taught algebra before the 9th grade either, in an excellent school district, and I was in a gifted class. I still kept my algebra textbook from the 10th grade and it&#x27;s pretty standard algebra. In fact, I didn&#x27;t even learn Calculus until college and I wasn&#x27;t negatively impacted by that at all. However, this was almost 30 years ago so I&#x27;m sure educational standards have increased, but it&#x27;s funny that what I learned back then is no longer &quot;good enough&quot;.
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mathattack将近 9 年前
<i>But as UNC&#x27;s Domina points out, most schools have also found it very difficult to institute what Katy Tang calls a &quot;one-size-fits-all&quot; mathematical curriculum without boring the math nerds to tears.</i><p>Here in lies the fundamental issue of the (well intentioned) focus on No Child Left Behind. The schools tend to underserve the best students because energy is focused on the weakest. (If the weakest were being well served, this would be a worthy trade. My experience in large cities is this is the exception rather than the rule.)<p>This used to bother me quite a bit, but I think the best students can find other ways to be intellectually stimulated. (Online, etc) The downside is for most of school they&#x27;re bored out of their mind, and this can develop bad habits for when school eventually catches up to their abilities.
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danielmorozoff将近 9 年前
I grew up in San Francisco and experienced both public and private school mathematics . The former of which was astoundingly poorly run. It seemed the only way to actually make headway for students that were ahead was for them to study on their own.<p>The primary issue imo is that math teachers do not seek to inspire students to see mathematics for what is is- a structure way to reason as opposed to a calculation tool replaced by computers. These breeds not only an aversion to the subject by fails to fulfill the basic reason for teaching math.<p>My best math teacher in school gave us a lecture on chaos - this was algebra class and we were able to generate a fractal by a simple set of coin tosses. This evolved into the discussion of how prbability, physics&#x2F;randomness of coin tosses and the general notions of chaos and dynamical systems. But such initiative and teachers were never rewarded.<p>It&#x27;s sad to see that the education problems seem to be regressing
Hexanite将近 9 年前
Having finished high school, a little over a year ago, I cannot understand how this can be beneficial in any way. We began pre-algebra in 6th grade and a large majority of kids did Algebra I 7th grade, possibly a harder class like Geometry, depending on how ahead they are. Sure, you could delve deeper into each topic, but when your classmates, are still struggling with basic Algebra, how much time does your teacher have to focus on giving you extra work?<p>The accelerated kids would essentially be forcibly held back. The curriculum at my high school for the normal accelerated student was Algebra II, Trig&#x2F;Calc A (calc I), calc BC (calc II), then calc III, and we had students even more accelerated than this. Starting at Algebra I in high school, would essentially shift everything back two years.
arebop将近 9 年前
a teacher&#x27;s rebuttal on reddit: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.reddit.com&#x2F;r&#x2F;sanfrancisco&#x2F;comments&#x2F;4p0uc3&#x2F;why_did_san_francisco_schools_stop_teaching&#x2F;d4h7me7" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.reddit.com&#x2F;r&#x2F;sanfrancisco&#x2F;comments&#x2F;4p0uc3&#x2F;why_di...</a>
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Decade将近 9 年前
&gt; Why did San Francisco Schools Stop Teaching Algebra in Middle School?<p>Because the school superintendent and the board of education believe much more strongly in wealth redistribution and social equality than many of the constituents do. Local elections: They matter.<p>Also, as the article says, the headline is clickbait. Common Core scatters algebra all over elementary school. The “traditional” curriculum, many years of arithmetic followed by Algebra I and II, geometry (plus proofs), trigonometry, and calculus, that is a harmful segmentation of math. Many students learn to hate and reject math before they even reach the parts that are useful to daily life.<p>The trick is getting teachers to teach the Common Core curriculum. The uncomfortable truth is that many teachers have no business teaching math, and leave students horribly confused about what math actually is. I even encountered a (SFUSD) middle school math teacher who uses jokes to try to make math fun, but his children (going to SFUSD schools) grew up hating math.
fnayr将近 9 年前
It&#x27;s not all that great to be super advanced in math very early either.<p>I tested out of pre algebra in 7th grade because my dad basically taught me it over the summer. Took geometry in 8th grade. Took algebra 2 at community college over summer took pre calculus my freshman year, and took ap calculus my sophomore year but halfway through the year I found it too slow so I took calc bc online with Stanford.<p>But then I took multivariate calc my junior year at a local cc and got a B in a math class for the first time ever. I got burnt out. And I hadn&#x27;t learned the study methods required to succeed in college level mathematics. So even though I had always loved math and went into college first semester taking upper div math, I found myself disliking it more and more and eventually switching to economics. I think, had I not rushed so much, I may have have actually enjoyed it more and fully majored in it.
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droithomme将近 9 年前
I read the district&#x27;s explanation.<p><a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.sfusdmath.org&#x2F;uploads&#x2F;2&#x2F;4&#x2F;0&#x2F;9&#x2F;24098802&#x2F;ccss-math-faq.pdf" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.sfusdmath.org&#x2F;uploads&#x2F;2&#x2F;4&#x2F;0&#x2F;9&#x2F;24098802&#x2F;ccss-math-...</a><p>It says that Algebra was previously introduced in 8th grade and students were not prepared. Therefore they have moved that algebra content into normal math for grades 6-8, gradually introducing contents, along with other concepts. Then the full Common Core compliant Algebra class that focuses solely on Algebra is in 9th grade and they are hoping that students will do better with this approach.<p>The article and the commentary here indicate that neither the author nor any but a very small number of commenters here bothered to look at the actual program, preferring to revel in personal suppositions and speculations.
adwf将近 9 年前
How old is 8th grade? I&#x27;m just curious to compare it to the UK school system where the subjects aren&#x27;t broken up so rigidly. I only learnt Maths, not Algebra 1&#x2F;Calc 1, etc.
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blahblah3将近 9 年前
This really hurts the talented kids with less educated parents. Educated or well-off parents can always supplement with lessons at home or supplementary school (kumon)
frogpelt将近 9 年前
And the answer is: because all the kids have to be taught the same thing and they all have to be fit to the public school mold. I&#x27;ve heard it said that public schools are great for making factory workers.<p>Of course, in most places private schools and even home schooling is an option, so all hope is not lost. And public education is good for many kids.<p>It&#x27;s the one-size-fits-all approach that is not always so effective.
zdw将近 9 年前
Why don&#x27;t we start teaching the basics of set theory and algebra during elementary school?<p>I know I&#x27;d have dealt with that far better than the &quot;Do this page of 100 addition&#x2F;subtraction problems as fast as you can&quot; human calculator stupidity thrust upon us as math education. At least it sounds like common core is getting away from that sort of stuff.
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jrkatz将近 9 年前
Over the past ten years I&#x27;ve spent a lot of time volunteering in poor urban middle schools, mostly in math tutoring&#x2F;teaching roles. Sure enough, one of the big hangups kids have is algebra. The article is right that it&#x27;s one of the first real abstract problem solving skills we try to teach kids, and that definitely makes it harder for them. In my experience there is an additional problem: Basic arithmetic skills.<p>If a kid can&#x27;t do division and knows it, how can they approach a problem like, &quot;It is 800 miles from Denver to LA by train. train A leaves from Denver to LA at 80mph while train B leaves from LA to Denver at 70mph. How far from LA do the trains cross paths?&quot; We can start breaking this down:<p><pre><code> 70mi*x&#x2F;h + 80mi*x&#x2F;h = 800mi x * 70mi&#x2F;h = M 150mi*x&#x2F;h = 800mi x = 800mi&#x2F;(150mi&#x2F;h) x = 5.33...h M = 5.33h * 70mi&#x2F;h M = 373.333...mi </code></pre> OK, that&#x27;s all well and done. Now do that without division. Do that without a clear grasp of 1. what division does and 2. how to do division. The only thing you really know about division is that when you take tests on it, you tend to do poorly. You can&#x27;t do this problem. You look at it and don&#x27;t see any tools you can use to attack it because the only thing that works on it is division and you do not get division.<p>The problem is, a <i>lot</i> of kids don&#x27;t get division. Why? That&#x27;s above my pay grade. If I was going to take a stab in the dark, I&#x27;d say that at the highest level it&#x27;s to do with passing kids who shouldn&#x27;t be passing, and then teaching the next year&#x27;s class as if they already know what they need to know. Every year they fall a little bit more behind, until finally they&#x27;re so lost it&#x27;s hopeless. It&#x27;s easy to take aim at algebra but what about the shaky foundation we&#x27;re trying to build it on? Of course, this would require a lot of kids to be held back, and that&#x27;s not an appealing solution. I think we need to assess where in our math education kids start to fall behind, and figure out what&#x27;s wrong there. Unfortunately for the kids, the solution will probably involve more multiplication&#x2F;division drill sheets, and more word problems to test those skills.<p>The article also points out the difficulty in starting a STEM degree without calculus. I started a STEM degree without calculus. I was lucky to get into the university I got into without calculus, and the calc 1 course was taught as a remedial class for all the folks who got 4s instead of 5s on their AP calc exams. This is where I had my own first brush with trying to build the next layer of mathematics education on a shaky foundation. It was very difficult, I nearly quit, and it fucked up my GPA enough I was still paying for it four years later at my graduation. I was 18 and had a bright future to look forward to in graduating from a respected university with a STEM degree, and it was nearly too much for me. I don&#x27;t see how we can ask 13 year old kids to do the same with algebra. We need to work out the kinks on the way there. When it&#x27;s time for them to learn algebra we want them to have all the tools they need so they can focus on the algebra, not on the arithmetic.<p>To be clear, I don&#x27;t have any solutions here. Just a lot of problems.
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kingmanaz将近 9 年前
&gt;Why Did San Francisco Schools Stop Teaching Algebra in Middle School?<p>Mandated equal outcomes coupled with racial diversity.
FuturePromise将近 9 年前
hmmm...<p>&gt; but ensures that all students enter high school with the same mathematical foundation<p>There&#x27;s a saying among conservative wags: &quot;The opposite of quality is equality.&quot;<p>That seems to be the case here.