Can Google or Facebook ever have a true competitor?

27 点作者 rms_returns将近 9 年前

I'm not talking about competition like DuckDuckGo or Bing. They might be good search engines, they might even write better search algorithms. Lets also assume that they achieved the monumental task of attaining the massive amounts of computational capabilities and data storage as that of Google, but they will never get the prime mover advantage that Google has, and you know why? Because you and me have already decided that whenever we want to search something, we will just visit Google.com. It has been this way since last two decades, but is it going to be the same always? If not, then what will cause us to move to a different search engine?The same could be said about Facebook in the field of social networking. It is the major giant network commanding about 70% of all visitors. Most people will never leave FB because their friends are already on FB. Lets assume that a company XYZ creates a site which has lots more features than FB, but people will still say, "hey, my friends are already on FB, so I have to be on FB". Isn't this sort of unfair for that new entrant XYZ? What can XYZ make to cause people to leave FB and come to its network?

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CM30将近 9 年前

Yes they could. It's always possible that another company could somehow do search or social networking better than Google and Facebook, find a really clever way of marketing their services and catch on before the former has any chance to catch up.It'd help if either got much worse at their core business (since that tends to be what dooms a lot of companies nowadays), but even a strong Google could have a competitor that simply offers people a much better and more user friendly service.But more likely is that they don't die to direct competitors. They die because they become irrelevant. Their 'true' competitor isn't another social network or search engine, it's something that completely replaces the need to have a social network or search engine.For example, if a company came along and figured out a way to give people results based on what they were thinking about without any direct input required, that could make Google's typical search box and results page and ads completely useless. They'd be like a horse salesman after cars were invented. Same with Facebook.

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niftich将近 9 年前

What counts as a 'true competitor'? You seem to be asking if there's a chance that someone will upend Google at search, and Facebook at social networking.But that's not how these companies pay the bills. They built massive ecosystems around their original businesses, and they use that ecosystem to mine data and serve ads. With this money, they've amassed social and infrastructure capital, so they can out-build competitors (Google Drive, Docs), branch out into other product lines (Google Cloud Services), or simply buy them out (Instagram, WhatsApp).To compete against them, you need differentiation and feature that appeal to a passionate audience. Snapchat, for example, attracts people who've seen or heard how damaging it can be to publically post on Facebook. DuckDuckGo appeals to people who don't want trails of their web searches making it into ads they see on websites. Dropbox works for people because they put out a solid product and aren't trying to force you to be part of a large, monolithic ecosystem.But it's an uphill battle. Facebook's preferred strategy is to buy out services before they become dangerous (they tried to buy Snapchat back when it was still known mostly for sexting), and Google's is to outbuild others. They form a very effective duopoly in a way.

hyperpallium将近 9 年前

FB has a "network effect" the value of the network increases with the square of the participants (i.e. the number of connections you can have). Similar effects occur with human languages, telephones, and the internet. It's a kind of natural monopoly, because once one gets big enough, no alternative can catch up. That's why we have the internet, and not internets.Google is different, because it's easy to switch search engines. One competitive advantage they have is "google suggest" - this takes massive capital investment in server farms to be fast enough, which is difficult for smaller competitors to match.NOTE: in Google's opinion, FB was a very serious threat (hence google+), because more information about users means better targetted ads. So they don't think they're unassailable.

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tjr将近 9 年前

I distinctly remember when "whenever I wanted to search something" I just visited altavista.digital.com. And then, somewhat reluctantly, altavista.com.Granted, they did not have anywhere near the deep and broad reach that Google currently has, but I would not think it impossible for someone else to come along and tilt things in their direction.

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Lordarminius将近 9 年前

> Can Google or Facebook ever have a true competitor? Unlikely. But never say never.Both companies, have built dominant market positions and have advantages that competitors will likely be unable to overcome.Peter Thiel even argues Google is a monopoly.> but is it going to be the same always? No. If it were, then the future is already fixed, knowable and stagnant.Unlikely :(> If not, then what will cause us to move to a different search engine? What can XYZ make to cause people to leave FB and come to its network?Three things.1.The company loses direction, is taken over by less competent management or implodes under its own weight e.g Walmart, GM, Apple. 2. Government regulation or public pushback creates conditions for its dissolution. Think Bell, Standard Oil 3. New competitors emerge. A giant slayer in this case, may initially not seem like a threat at all and may even operate in a different market space or industry from search or social media eg gaming, VR, IOT. Paul Graham has a good article on this.Btw, I think FB is dying and that's part of the reason they acquired Whatsapp. It will be obvious in 5 years and they'll be gone in a decade or decade and a half.So is Apple,at least in its current form.

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fitzwatermellow将近 9 年前

The one company I believe may be on a path to a position of true "anti-obsolescence" is Amazon. I consider the way people younger than me use it for everything. Then I consider my own Prime usage which is up perhaps 100-200% over last year. And even after that I look at the future innovation's Amazon is planning: 1-Hr delivery via drone, dev friendly alexa tasks from anywhere. And I can't think of anyone that can currently be termed a "true" competitor. And I am clearly not the only one to notice. $AMZN stock up %50 since Feb ;)

rajeshamara将近 9 年前

Only if Google / facebook stops inventing. Yahoo made a mistake of stagnation. Microsoft made a mistake of stagnation from 2000 to 2009 (Balmer period). Motorola made a mistake of stagnation. Apple is again making a mistake of stagnation. As long as companies not sitting on their arses and let the competition overtake them they will be fine.Also you can live without FB but cannot live without google. You can remain days not visiting FB but everyday you will search atleast one time.

mathattack将近 9 年前

I think No for both cases. Default monopolies can go out of favor very quickly, and new technologies can ramp up very quickly.On Facebook: Remember that Google got the whole world to sign up for Google Plus with their circles. They didn't do anything with it, but it was a clear sign that you can sign up a good portion of the internet.On Google owning search, if Apple goes downmarket in the phone market, they could crowd Google out of search on the phone. Or there may be some other new paradigm - searching out of apps, with a non-Google choice winning. And if the search algorithm is MUCH better, it could win. Bing doesn't need to be 5% better - it would need to be 500% better.

f_allwein将近 9 年前

Yes. When I worked at Google, people were very aware that their market position is not a given and could change any time - eg as people are far less locked in to Google than they used to be to Microsoft in the 1990s. Eric Schmidt used to point to an article from the late 1990s saying "the search wars are over - Yahoo won"...It wouldn't be easy obviously, but it is conceivable that someone comes up with something that is significantly better than Google/ FB, causing people to switch.

bwackwat将近 9 年前

Basically, I believe it will be much harder for a competitor to reach the same capital as Google or Facebook.Google and Facebook have massive networks, specialized storage strategies, proprietary protocols and hardware, and not to forget the actual data they have acquired. Lots of hard-to-acquire capital.On the other hand, I do believe that both products could be better. Competitors could have better products, but not for a long time more capital.

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atsaloli将近 9 年前

Every empire has its rise and fall. "To every thing there is a season ... A time to be born, and a time to die"

wallace_f将近 9 年前

Do you think a FB competitor that offered really nice encryption and privacy features would be successful?I'm imagining an app that let's you choose where to store data, let's you store your data encrypted and offers message encryption, and of course allows you to sign up anonymously and permanently delete data.I hate Facebook but I recognize it serves a useful function - I only use it because everyone else does.

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mavenxinc将近 9 年前

A year ago, I think you could have included Apple in this list and they have begun their spiral.

the4dpatrick将近 9 年前

Google and Facebook are not immortal beings infallible of mistakes. These two entities are companies comprised of people. At whatever level you look at inside these two organisations, you’ll see people making decisions. Whenever there are people involved there are bound to be some inefficiencies and mistakes made on the way. These inefficiencies and mistakes can be masked however because of the size of the organisation and the actual impact of a single decision made. Nonetheless a series of compounding “mistakes” could lead to these companies being open to other competitors.A strength of these two companies lies in the amount of talented individuals in these organisations. Google and Facebook both have a reputation to hire the best and brightest. If this is the case, then we can assume they’d have the raw ability to make right decisions. (debatable point) Given enough time and resources these people could do almost anything. This can be illustrated by the number of moonshots being attempted at Google.Another point of strength of these large companies is the ability to diversify. Diversification comes in handy when you’re in an ever changing world like we are in. Diversification comes in the form of external investments into potentially game changing industries and technologies (AR, BioTech, etc). Alternatively, change could come from within the organisations, albeit a little harder and riskier,These are a few of the strengths of large companies like Google and Facebook. Despite these strengths new opportunities and new competitors will still arise. Google is a search engine, but it has moved into email and other markets. Google had existed before Facebook, and Google had more resources than Facebook when it got started. Why didn’t Google takeover social networking instead?The OP posed the question about if Google will always be the default search engine it has acted as for the last two decades. In my opinion, this can change. With the advent of Amazon’s Echo and Siri, more and more searches are being conducted via these platforms. Both of these platforms use the Bing search engine. [1][2] If Bing did a better job [3], then it’s conceivable that more marketshare can be had by Bing. As human computer interface progresses, the act of visiting Google.com will become antiquated. This leads to opportunities for other search engines to gain adoption more or less transparently.Facebook is a social network we access via our web browser and mobile device. If VR becomes what is promised and more widely adopted, then social networking as a category will become redefined. Facebook is at an advantage because of the Oculus acquisition, but the VR space is still so young; There are no real experts in VR.TLDR; A series of “mistakes" made by these people comprised organisations could lead to true competitors. Strengths, like talented people and diversification, could counteract any risk to competitors. New platforms like Echo, Siri, and Cortana abstracts the use of the Bing Search Engine. VR could redefine social networking which opens more opportunities.[1] <a href="https://www.quora.com/Can-I-change-Siris-search-engine" rel="nofollow">https://www.quora.com/Can-I-change-Siris-search-engine</a> [2] <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/amazon/comments/2lsg9n/amazon_echo_what_search_engine/" rel="nofollow">https://www.reddit.com/r/amazon/comments/2lsg9n/amazon_echo_...</a> [3] <a href="http://thenextweb.com/gadgets/2015/07/08/alexa-y-u-no-answer/#gref" rel="nofollow">http://thenextweb.com/gadgets/2015/07/08/alexa-y-u-no-answer...</a>