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Petition for London independence signed by thousands after Brexit vote

105 点作者 programLyrique将近 9 年前

18 条评论

TorKlingberg将近 9 年前
Not going to happen, but I can see the sentiment.<p>The Brexit vote was basically rural England telling London to shove it. &quot;You wanted to be a cosmopolitan world city, but if us old people in the county don&#x27;t like what we see, you can&#x27;t have it.&quot;<p>As an analogy, imagine if the people in California that voted for Proposition 8 got really upset about the Supreme Court overruling them, and didn&#x27;t like all the non-native Californians immigrating to SF and LA, so they voted to secede.
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howlingfantods将近 9 年前
It seems like there&#x27;s a large possibility that this will be the beginning of the dismantling of the UK. Scotland is likely to have a second independence referendum and Sinn Fein is calling for a referendum for Northern Ireland to unify with Ireland. London seceding, however, seems unlikely.
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smoyer将近 9 年前
&quot;We need to break free of the dead weight&quot;<p>You also need to look at how they became dead weight and why they feel differently - I&#x27;m going to project a bit but I&#x27;m guessing they&#x27;d say that Londoners were out of touch with the rest of the country. It&#x27;s a shame that the ruling elites have become so good at disenfranchising their constituents.<p>Let&#x27;s take the idea of an independent London to a humorous conclusion. I&#x27;m imagining the rest of the country building a &quot;Trump Wall&quot; around London to keep the undesirable elitists contained in their fancy playground. Then heavy tariffs on imports and exports on trade. Those who live outside London but provide the rudimentary services will dramatically increase their prices (you still can&#x27;t make due in London without four maids and a cook!) which will, combined with tarriffs&#x2F;taxes levied by the non-Londoners will improve the GDP of the rest of the country dramatically.<p>So in the end, those who voted to leave the EU because they weren&#x27;t benefiting from the economy between the UK and the EU will start benefiting - the Londoners will have no choice but to share. And that&#x27;s all the proletariat wanted to begin with.
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Zenst将近 9 年前
I live in London, this is silly and seeing so many remain&#x2F;pro-eu people chuck toys out of prams and be frankly akin to upset children being told no you can not stay up past 9pm as it is a school night, play out in many forms.<p>Still, more people voted to leave the EU than voted for the current government, so can see how some things are viewed by the loosing side and some people sore losers would be putting it mildly.
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sjclemmy将近 9 年前
The problem with England &#x2F; Britain &#x2F; UK is representation. Every time we make any big political decision 50% of the electorate is marginalised and ignored for 5 years. We need a better system, one where representation is proportional.
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andy_ppp将近 9 年前
I would actually be in favour of this but we&#x27;ll almost certainly not get the choice.<p>Much like the London Mayoral Election it would probably include European Union Citizens in the vote to leave England so I&#x27;d say it has a fairly good chance of passing should Sadiq Khan decide a vote were sensible.<p>As another commenter said, there is no sensible way to organise society through direct democracy because of bad decision making on behalf of the electorate, but once pandoras box is opened it becomes hard to say no.
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carsongross将近 9 年前
I have absolutely no problem with this idea.<p>Europe once had free cities. Why not again?
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100k将近 9 年前
UK votes to leave EU. Scotland and London viving to leave UK to stay in EU. Anyone else feel like they&#x27;re living in a Ken MacLeod novel?
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pskocik将近 9 年前
Technology may well bring about a collapse of democracy as we know it. No longer are the mediocre and the below mediocre insulated from actual decision making for reasons of impracticability. In this day and age, letting everyone vote o anything is quite realistic and as democratic as it gets.
billyjobob将近 9 年前
Go ahead London, become independent. The City makes more profit than the rest of the country, so you don&#x27;t need them, do you? Then see how much the UK starts charging you for the food&#x2F;water&#x2F;power&#x2F;transport&#x2F;infrastructure it provides that you rely on to exist.
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BuckRogers将近 9 年前
The UK move is interesting. On London, of course the do-well Londoners want to be a part of the EU system. They&#x27;re doing well under it all. But what&#x27;s done is done.<p>From what I can see, the real focus should have been, long ago, making sure ALL of Britain was doing well. Not just London. That ship has sailed and now the UK will have to come together and ensure mutual prosperity or risk further divide.<p>On Scotland, it seems to me that Scotland already got their vote. I can&#x27;t see the UK allowing another one. There may be a SNP staged vote, but it won&#x27;t have any teeth without it coming from Downing St. So I&#x27;m dismissive of the Scottish indie idea at this point. It just didn&#x27;t pan out. Anyone who wants that, needs to at minimum, wait until oil prices rise again. But I don&#x27;t see any of it happening.<p>Scotland&#x27;s chance may have already been spent but Northern Ireland is in the best position of anyone. They&#x27;re in the best position of all the UK &#x27;principalities&#x27; to barter the best economic deal between either the UK or Ireland&#x2F;EU. They can basically become the New Scotland and do what Scotland was doing, pre-Scottish independence vote. The SNP made a big mistake pushing for their vote before the EU-UK referendum.<p>I expect Wales and England (outside of London) are pretty content with the outcome of the vote. They had the most to gain. Though I don&#x27;t think NI and Scotland are going to lose economic power with an independent UK, if they don&#x27;t start revolting.<p>Interesting how it all turned out, because this time London was in agreement with the UK states on the periphery. It was Wales and England who wanted out, and I think this was rational and the right move from a working man&#x27;s standpoint. The EU from what I&#x27;ve seen (I&#x27;ve lived and worked in the EU) is mostly beneficial the elites and people doing well. Most of my friends in France and other EU countries curse the EU a bit. It&#x27;s not just the Brits who are upset with the undemocratic system the EU put into place or the policies.<p>I watched all the Scottish independence debates with Alex Salmond vs Alistair Darling and was letdown by Salmond&#x27;s general performance. Also recently watched the Brexit &#x27;documentary&#x27; and was not impressed with the arguments put in place there. Especially the comparison to Switzerland which is the wrong example, for many reasons that I won&#x27;t go into here. The UK may become a Norway of sorts but not a Switzerland. Honestly, not sure I&#x27;d want to become a Switzerland given how they make a lot of their money.
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alansmitheebk将近 9 年前
What the hell is wrong with you people? Stop behaving like petulant children. This isn&#x27;t just a protest vote. It has real consequences. Even if you don&#x27;t care that you are fucking up your own economy can you at least be mindful that your stupidity is fucking up the global economy?<p>I thought we Americans were the dumb dumbs...
return0将近 9 年前
The best case for UK unity is to join the US.
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known将近 9 年前
An Independent Nation should not have more than 2 million citizens <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.m.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Complex_interdependence" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.m.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Complex_interdependence</a>
lettergram将近 9 年前
Yeah.. I don&#x27;t see this happening.
nikolay将近 9 年前
And rename it to New Pakistan?
draw_down将近 9 年前
Leaving the EU is bad, but leaving the UK would be good. Alright.
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aphextron将近 9 年前
I get that Brexit is an important topic. But can we keep politics out of HN? This place is the last bastion of sane, intelligent discourse I&#x27;ve found on the internet.
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