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I set up the petition for London's independence. Here's how it would work

72 点作者 sirteno将近 9 年前

10 条评论

mike_hearn将近 9 年前
This is some twisted logic if I ever saw it.<p>&quot;Leave campaign have no plan&quot;. Yes, they do, their plan is to re-assert border controls and negotiate the best deal with the EU possible from that starting point. You may not <i>like</i> such a plan, but it is one.<p>The fact that the contents of such a deal are unknown is entirely due to the fact that the EU refused to discuss or even contemplate any alternative to the status quo. If anyone was idiotic enough to actually try this idea, they&#x27;d simply hit the same problem: the EU would not talk to them, and they&#x27;d be left campaigning with no plan.<p>So if your criticism is based on &quot;out voters don&#x27;t know what they were voting for&quot; then well done, you&#x27;d put yourself in exactly the same boat.<p>Moreover, the same sort of anti-EU feeling that drove Brexit is not isolated to the UK. It&#x27;s rising all over Europe. What makes this guy think the EU will actually even exist five years from now, let alone be something actually desirable to be a part of?<p>In 2017 there are four votes that could potentially damage the EU, this is coming on the heels of a vote in Austria where the &quot;Austria first&quot; presidential candidate lost by just a few thousand votes.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;medium.com&#x2F;@octskyward&#x2F;ok-what-now-e3f64d38f7" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;medium.com&#x2F;@octskyward&#x2F;ok-what-now-e3f64d38f7</a>
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w_t_payne将近 9 年前
Prior to the current wild swings in the currency markets, the price of the UK pound was always pushed up by the intensity of the economic activity in the City of London.<p>This screwed the rest of the country over by preventing a proper devaluation of the currency; making industrial exports overly expensive, and generally destroying the competitiveness of UK industry.<p>(Of course, the generally shit state of UK management didn&#x27;t help much either).<p>The mispriced pound killed jobs and generally contributed to the economic malaise and sense of exclusion which helped to produce the resentment which produced this referendum result.<p>As the situation stands, the plummeting pound is going to help this a bit, but only to the extent to which the electorate have shot the financial sector in the head, and forced it to be exported to the Eurozone.<p>As I see it, a (very very limited) form of Londipendence may be our best bet at preventing the flight of jobs and financial services revenue whilst decoupling the pound from the deleterious effects of an economy overly skewed towards London and overly skewed towards financial services.<p>We&#x27;d get a more well-rounded economy, and we&#x27;d keep the financial services jobs and expertise in London.<p>Far from radical, I think its&#x27; the closest thing that we&#x27;ve currently got to a win-win situation.
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haakon将近 9 年前
It&#x27;s an interesting idea to entertain, if outlandish. See <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;bigthink.com&#x2F;strange-maps&#x2F;the-city-states-of-europe" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;bigthink.com&#x2F;strange-maps&#x2F;the-city-states-of-europe</a> (HN discussion at <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=11192948" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=11192948</a>):<p>&gt; &quot;The 21st century will not be dominated by America or China, Brazil or India, but by the city,&quot; writes Parag Khanna (1). The author of several books on global strategy, Khanna argues that (some) cities, as islands of good governance in an increasingly unstable world, will become the cornerstone of a new world order.<p>&gt; That new world order won&#x27;t be a &quot;global village&quot; of nation states, for globalisation is corroding national sovereignty. Rather, it will be a loose network of semi-independent city states, perhaps resembling the Hanseatic League and other medieval trading alliances.
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oldmanjay将近 9 年前
If there&#x27;s one thing I&#x27;ve learned from this debacle, it&#x27;s that in 2016, people firmly believe being an asshole is the best way to conduct politics.
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throwaway987611将近 9 年前
&gt; We all knew that a Brexit vote would unleash forces we didn’t understand – a series of rolling crises in high finance, macro-economics, politics and diplomacy<p>I find things like this shocking. That most of these articles are just shooting from the hip.<p>When Cameron first floated the idea of the Brexit. He did so, consulting all the civil servants in the country. You know, the ones who actually run the country and know exactly what needs to done should a leave vote happen.<p>There is no scrambling around, there is no forces we don&#x27;t understand, there is no crises in high finance, politics or diplomacy.<p>This is a country that had it&#x27;s own empire and had 200 civil servants to run India.<p>I constantly laugh at postings here that Germany is going to take Finance and the Tech center from London and that the UK Economy is going to collapse.<p>The UK did just fine outside of the europe before the EU turned into the EU. It will do FINE just outside of the EU.<p>What a lot of people need to remember. Is what Germany is going to do now. How will it AFFORD the monies that the UK was paying. The German people are the ones who are going to foot that bill.<p>Also, Hollande is on shaky ground. Le Penn may win and therefore will most certainly want her own Frexit vote.<p>Merkle, is on shaky ground, she&#x27;s up for re-election next year? What if she loses?<p>Yeah, interesting times ahead. But in some respects. The UK may actually be doing better.<p>Watch this space.
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anexprogrammer将近 9 年前
Welcome to democracy, serves you right. I&#x27;d have much preferred remain to win too. It&#x27;s hurting my northern wallet too.<p>One vote goes against him and he&#x27;s throwing toys out of his pram. Perhaps he should consider that the people who mainly triggered the exit have had a powerful rejection of their worldview, <i>by London and Westminster,</i> since the 1980s.<p>If the smug liberals had funded appropriate redevelopment for regions losing ship building, steel, coal or what have you, this mess could have been easily avoided.<p>I&#x27;m surprised it took 40 years of ignoring the issue for the mice to roar.
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esharte将近 9 年前
If London was as smugly left wing as he the author thinks it is then it would not have voted Boris Johnson as mayor for two terms. The same Boris Johnson that was the head of the Leave campaign.
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wrong_variable将近 9 年前
I think Scotland leaving would make it more likely.<p>Scotland has a population of only 5 million people - and London will soon have double of that.<p>Also London&#x27;s economy would boast in a massive way since 97% of its income goes to Westminster unlike New York, the mayor of London needs to actively lobby for things London needs. ( this is outside the boost provided by things like staying in the EU ).<p>Its also more practical - its far easier to secure London&#x27;s borders then it is to secure all of UK&#x27;s ( nothing stopping people from Spain riding up Cornwell in a boat )<p>Westminister could relocate to Sunderland since it would be the new heartland.
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wildmusings将近 9 年前
I have never seen so many loud sore losers after an election in my life. The globalist establishment has shown nothing but total contempt for people who don&#x27;t share their world view. I hate to be the bearer of bad news[1], but you&#x27;re not changing anyone&#x27;s mind. Everytime I see the WaPo or the Guardian push the false narrative of Leavers all being ignorant racists that have brought doom to Britain, the more happy I am that they won, the more optimistic I am about their future. Every time you try to usurp the will of the people, they become stronger against you. The people will have their way and the British people have a track record of success.<p>[1] Who am I kidding, I love it.
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lujim将近 9 年前
&gt; I’m a smug, bourgeois liberal who lives in North London – so the result felt like a powerful rejection of my entire worldview.<p>This sentence said just about everything I needed to know about the author. Being smug isn&#x27;t a badge of honor, and describing oneself as &#x27;smug&#x27; is as much of a red flag as a date that shows up late and describes themselves as &#x27;A jealous person&#x27; or &#x27;high maintenance&#x27;. They believe that they are so special and unique that annoying behavior is actually endearing. Heaven forbid something happens that shakes his worldview.<p>Edit: Apparently it&#x27;s ironic humor. This isn&#x27;t the first or last time I&#x27;ve underestimated just how subtle British humor can be.
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