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Pittsburghese Expertise: Dropping “To Be”

68 点作者 superchink将近 9 年前

15 条评论

untothebreach将近 9 年前
My wife talks this way all the time, and when we were first dating it really bothered me. Eventually I came across an explanation of the regional-ness of it on the internet somewhere, and I asked her if any of her family is from the Pittsburgh area. As far as she knows, they aren&#x27;t, but they are from Columbus, OH, which is just down the highway a bit.<p>I heard that Pittsburgh-ians also tend to use &quot;yinz&quot; for the second-person plural, which I find much better than a plain &quot;you,&quot; and much, much better than &quot;You all&quot; or &quot;y&#x27;all&quot;. (Though I&#x27;m now told it is not as commonly used as I assumed it was)<p>Anyway, I love reading about the various ways american english has diverged, given time and distance.
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exception_e将近 9 年前
I said &quot;&lt;jira ticket&gt; needs deployed&quot; when answering a question the other day at work and the person had to explain why that sentence is not valid.<p>I grew up about an hour away from Pittsburgh and work&#x2F;live in Pittsburgh now... what&#x27;s funny is that Pittsburghese is more prominent just outside of the city.
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laksjd将近 9 年前
The article mentions that &#x27;In some parts of England, you’d hear people use a phrase on the model of verbing: “The wine needs opening.”&#x27;<p>Is &#x27;needs verbing&#x27; really that uncommon? &#x27;Needs fixing&#x27; seems like a very common expression that fits that pattern. I guess the article might be trying to say that in some areas of England &#x27;needs verbing&#x27; is the default form but I&#x27;m still a bit confused by that sentence.
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yellowapple将近 9 年前
The idea of <i>needs verbed</i> being nonstandard is entirely new to me, and I live on the opposite side of the country from Pittsburgh, as has most (all, AFAIK) of my family. It feels right for things in my day-to-day work, like &quot;the server needs rebooted&quot; or &quot;the bug needs fixed&quot;, though for other things, like &quot;the code needs compiling&quot;, the <i>needs verbing</i> form feels more natural.
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mason55将近 9 年前
&gt; <i>In fact, it’s possible that you are just now learning, from this article, that needs verbed isn’t the way everybody says it.</i><p>I am from Columbus but moved to NYC awhile back. I am just realizing that at some point I switched from &quot;needs washed&quot; to &quot;needs to be washed&quot; and never even realized it.
brandonmenc将近 9 年前
I&#x27;m from Western Pennsylvania - an hour North of Pittsburgh - and can confirm.<p>Interestingly, I&#x27;ve unconsciously learned that &quot;to be&quot; sounds proper, and have been code switching most of my life without even realizing it.
tankenmate将近 9 年前
It&#x27;s just a case of re-using the past tense for the gerund instead of using the present participle tense.<p>Also, shouldn&#x27;t the correct collective noun be Pittsburgher not Pittsburghese? The name Pitt and the noun Burgh are both Germanic not Romance.
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alanh将近 9 年前
I discovered this thanks to a chance encounter on Duolingo (which is based in Pittsburgh, coincidentally). This commenter is from my small hometown in western Pennsylvania, and I in fact knew her in real life: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.duolingo.com&#x2F;comment&#x2F;236814$from_email=comment&amp;comment_id=11325709" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.duolingo.com&#x2F;comment&#x2F;236814$from_email=comment&amp;c...</a>
rplst8将近 9 年前
So according to the article, Pittsburghers and Western Pennsylvanians contstuct it the way those in England do. Huh, we speak Queen&#x27;s English n&#x27;at.
Piskvorrr将近 9 年前
To me (Central European&#x2F;Czech), this sounds like Russians speaking English: IIRC, in Russian, the verb &quot;to be&quot; is mostly implied (resulting in sentences seemingly <i>without</i> a verb), which they carry over when speaking other languages (&quot;Hello, I here. My car needs fixed.&quot;).
brandonmenc将近 9 年前
If anyone is interested in a humorous - yet frighteningly accurate - depiction of Pittsburgh and Philadelphia speech, watch the &quot;Pawnsylvania&quot; sketches from Kroll Show:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=3qeY0mIn1K0" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=3qeY0mIn1K0</a>
iopq将近 9 年前
It&#x27;s not dropping &quot;to be&quot;, it&#x27;s using a different participle. It&#x27;s kind of like substituting &quot;vaccinated&quot; for &quot;vaccinating&quot;.<p>&quot;To be or not to be&quot; would still sound exactly the same
Retra将近 9 年前
I&#x27;ve been doing this lately. But only because I can&#x27;t stand my phone&#x27;s keyboard. Actually, if I&#x27;m not writing professionally or for public consumption, I do far more egregiously &#x27;fun&#x27; things with my writing to make it more touch-screen friendly:<p>Convenience:<p>probably -&gt; prolly<p>__ing -&gt; __n<p>__ed -&gt; __d<p>I&#x27;m -&gt; I<p>and -&gt; n<p>something -&gt; summat<p>Purposeful misspellings:<p>your -&gt; yoor<p>maybe -&gt; mebes<p>work -&gt; werk<p>word -&gt; werd<p>programming -&gt; porkgramn<p>morning -&gt; mern<p>And randomly drop unneeded words.<p>&quot;The car needs washd, prolly do next fri mebes if I not busy porkgramn summat fo werk.&quot;
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kazinator将近 9 年前
Pittsburghers&#x27; heads need examined.
steven2012将近 9 年前
As a side note, the OP&#x27;s username &quot;superchink&quot; seems pretty offensive to Asians on Hacker News.
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