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The Stillbirth of the Soviet Internet

42 点作者 kurrawong将近 9 年前
A socio-technical history of the Internet that will definitely appeal to many HN readers: Ben Peters, author of &quot;How Not to Network a Nation&quot;, discusses the history of Soviet cybernetics and computer networks on Sean&#x27;s Russia Blog podcast episode &quot;The Stillbirth of the Soviet Internet&quot;.<p>In the interview, Peters states the reason the Internet appeared in Silicon Valley and not near Soviet Kiev was that &quot;the capitalists behaved like socialists while the socialists behaved like capitalists&quot;. This challenges conventional notions about the relationship between society and technology and contradicts the often-stated belief about laissez faire economic freedoms and capitalism being necessary for the high-tech booms.<p>Peters also ponders what we might learn about current Internet state surveillance trends, such as the now-known NSA programs, by looking at the 1960&#x27;s Soviet project called OGAS (&quot;obshche-gosudarstvennaia avtomatizirovannaia sistema&quot;). Its full title in English unashamedly gives away its intentions: &quot;All-State Automated System for the Gathering and Processing of Information for the Accounting, Planning, and Governance of the National Economy, USSR&quot;.

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mrweasel将近 9 年前
A little off topic perhaps, but the book, &quot;How Not to Network a Nation&quot;, was a huge disappointment to me. It seems like the first third of the book is an attempt to convince the reader that &quot;cybernetics&quot; is actually a better word than &quot;networking&quot;. It&#x27;s extremely boring and don&#x27;t seem relevant.<p>It seems like the author either didn&#x27;t have access to technical information, or opted to skip implementation details. That&#x27;s really a shame, because I think that&#x27;s the part that most of the potential readers would be interested in.<p>In the end I skipped to the last chapter of the book, which is the only part that&#x27;s sort of interesting. Maybe I&#x27;m just disappointed because I expected the content to something different, based on the title and abstract.
Phithagoras将近 9 年前
Podcast post at <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;seansrussiablog.org&#x2F;2016&#x2F;06&#x2F;15&#x2F;the-stillbirth-of-the-soviet-internet&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;seansrussiablog.org&#x2F;2016&#x2F;06&#x2F;15&#x2F;the-stillbirth-of-the-...</a>
niccolop将近 9 年前
Slightly off subject, but when Khrushchev visited Silicon Valley in late 1950s, he was more impressed though by IBM&#x27;s canteen and it&#x27;s organization, than their computing systems.<p><a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.fastcompany.com&#x2F;3037598&#x2F;khrushchev-visits-ibm-a-strange-tale-of-silicon-valley-history" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.fastcompany.com&#x2F;3037598&#x2F;khrushchev-visits-ibm-a-s...</a>
dalke将近 9 年前
&gt; &quot;the capitalists behaved like socialists while the socialists behaved like capitalists&quot;<p>Where does France&#x27;s Minitel sit in that dichotomous world?
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damptowel将近 9 年前
Let&#x27;s not forget Chile <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theguardian.com&#x2F;technology&#x2F;2003&#x2F;sep&#x2F;08&#x2F;sciencenews.chile" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theguardian.com&#x2F;technology&#x2F;2003&#x2F;sep&#x2F;08&#x2F;sciencene...</a>
drwdal将近 9 年前
Can&#x27;t be worse than the DPRK network, where everything&#x27;s a giant centralized proxy.
my_first_acct将近 9 年前
Discussion of the book, including comments by the author: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=11610994" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=11610994</a>