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U.S. Judge Rejects Uber’s Proposed $100M Settlement with Drivers

54 点作者 Kaedon将近 9 年前

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yladiz将近 9 年前
So it&#x27;s murky with Uber, as far as classifying the drivers as independent vs employees. On one end, the drivers work their own hours, own their own car, and are &quot;kinda&quot; their own boss. On the other, they have to go through mandatory training as part of their job, have to keep minimum hours on the platform to keep their job, can&#x27;t solicit tips, and don&#x27;t have as much freedom to decide to decline a passenger (as far as I understand Uber will lower their internal rating if they don&#x27;t accept passengers, so they&#x27;re penalized when they&#x2F;lack freedom to decline a passenger).<p>I don&#x27;t know all of the specifics, but from what I&#x27;ve read Uber is taking more control from the driver than what a normal employer employing an independent contractor does and it really is hard to argue that they&#x27;re fully independent contractors. There is the argument that there should be a third classification for cases like this because the employment law is outdated, but generally speaking, I would be surprised if this goes to jury that Uber would win even with their amazing counsel. If they lost this lawsuit, their main business model would be severely hurt (fully driverless cars are not realistic for multiple reasons in the next 3-5 years, let&#x27;s not kid ourselves) and their valuation would take a big hit. Uber has an uphill battle with this if they have to go through the entire process, and has a lot at stake.
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dcgudeman将近 9 年前
&quot;Prior to the judge’s ruling, San Francisco-based Uber indicated it had a long-term solution to the debate about driver classification: driverless vehicles. Uber said earlier Thursday it plans to begin testing autonomous vehicles in Pittsburgh as soon as this month, featuring technology that would eventually make human drivers obsolete.&quot;<p>Well I guess that&#x27;s one way to accelerate innovation lol
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serge2k将近 9 年前
It&#x27;s 2016 and drivers have to sue to try and get basic employment benefits from a company. They have to first overcome a clause which tries to enforce mandatory arbitration to prevent class action lawsuits.<p>I use Uber, but I don&#x27;t like Uber.<p>&gt; Founders and investors say reclassifying contractors as employees could drive up their labor costs by at least 20%, upending their pricing models and making their services more expensive.<p>... too bad?<p>&gt; As employees they would likely have more stringent work schedules and other requirements like wearing a uniform and undergoing time-consuming training.<p>But it&#x27;s 2016. Tell them they have a cap of X hours per week and just track hours worked using your app.<p>A uniform? Why?<p>Time-consuming training? To do the job better? Isn&#x27;t that better for everyone?<p>&gt; Drivers would also be allowed to post signs in their cars soliciting tips from riders.<p>See, I think this should be the other way around. As &quot;contractors&quot; who is uber to tell them they can&#x27;t do that?<p>Fuck tipping though. The day I have to start giving Uber drivers tips is the day I start finding another service. Actually it&#x27;s not even that, it&#x27;s the convenience of the app. if I can toss in an extra little bit when I go to rate the driver I would be okay with that. I&#x27;m not subsidizing uber fares by tacking on 20%. I refuse. Raise your prices.<p>I still don&#x27;t get how uber can call their drivers contractors.<p>edit: To clarify on the tip thing. Some guy let me take my dog (in a crate) in his van on an uber trip. Helped me get her in and out (big dog) as well. I&#x27;d be happy to give him a good tip for that. I object to the idea that adequate service deserves extra. I&#x27;d rather just pay a fair amount (probably a bit more than now really).<p>edit the second: Wait, I thought the contractor status issue was already decided in california and uber lost? They get to pay a one time fee to get around the law?
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