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Ask HN: How did you learn about stock market/trading investing ?

61 点作者 yr大约 15 年前
Any good videos/books ?

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derwiki大约 15 年前
I learned enough to know it's a game not worth actively playing. Buy an index fund, do dollar cost averaging, and stay hands off. Why?<p>. Big shot fund managers can't consistently beat the market, and they do this 40+ hours a week -- why should you do better?<p>. Stocks should be a long term investment; the market has always had a positive return over any 20 year period. Index fund and don't worry about it.<p>. You'll do a lot better applying energy to your start-up or whatever you're working on than dwelling on ticker prices.<p>. You're probably not playing with enough money to make it worth worrying about<p>Ramit Sethi's "I Will Teach You To Be Rich" book is a great overview of personal finance. He convinced me to automate my investments and not worry about following the market day to day.<p>(UPDATE: fixed formatting, thanks davidw)
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solutionyogi大约 15 年前
The most important thing to realize is that trading and investing are different ball game.<p>I don't know much about investing but I did dabble in trading, especially penny stocks. No, I am not talking about those scam emails where they claim that their stock pick is going to go up 100% in a month. I am talking about realizing those penny stock scams and 'shorting' them to your advantage. I learned about shorting penny stocks from Timothy Sykes (<a href="http://www.timothysykes.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.timothysykes.com/</a>) and have made some money. There are quite a few other traders who share their knowledge through blogs. Few blogs which I follow:<p><a href="http://www.bigmiketrading.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.bigmiketrading.com/</a><p><a href="http://www.reapertrades.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.reapertrades.com/</a><p><a href="http://www.welcometothegutter.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.welcometothegutter.com/</a><p>And most important tip: Trading is very risky. The saying '90% of the traders lose money' is spot on. Realize that trading is an extremely difficult profession and be very careful if you do decide to take the red pill.
shughes大约 15 年前
By trying to incorporate programming into trading.<p>If you get an account with a company like Interactive Brokers, they offer an API. They also only charge $0.005 per share.<p>You can study a trading method called momentum trading, which is the idea of riding the curve for a very short period of time. For example, right after a financial statement is released, the company's stock is going to go up or down, depending on the statements results. You can write a program that immediately determines the direction the share price is going at the time in which the statement is public, then buy long or short depending on its direction. Then do the opposite when the program determines the up or down curve is leveling off.<p>Pretty interesting stuff, and it'll get you engaged.<p>As far as books, google momentum trading.
scw大约 15 年前
I'd recommend starting by reading this article about how Google approached educating its employees on investing: <a href="http://www.sanfranmag.com/story/best-investment-advice-youll-never-get" rel="nofollow">http://www.sanfranmag.com/story/best-investment-advice-youll...</a><p>And this talk by Charlie Munger on stockpicking and the art of worldly wisdom: <a href="http://ycombinator.com/munger.html" rel="nofollow">http://ycombinator.com/munger.html</a><p>The two major mental models which I've found helpful in understanding the market are the Efficient Market Hypothesis (EMH; <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Efficient_market_hypothesis" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Efficient_market_hypothesis</a>) which explains how the market acts under idealized conditions of rationality. Temper this with learning about Behavioral Economics (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Behavioral_economics" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Behavioral_economics</a>) which covers issues of human perception and how us semi-rational beings actually act, such as perceiving a loss of $100 as twice as painful as a gain of $100.<p>The Intelligent Investor by Benjamin Graham is a wonderful book, but reads densely. In more recent editions contains thoughtful side commentary by Jason Zweig which help break up the text and give a more modern perspective. A key idea is the separation between investing and speculation: set aside some percentage of your portfolio for speculating, and experiment with it, but investing for the long-term is the way to go in the absence of something which allows you to escape the financial gravity of the efficient market.<p>A Random Walk on Wall Street by Burton Malkiel covers efficient market theory thoroughly. The Intelligent Asset Allocator by William Bernstein for approaches to constructing long-term portfolios.<p>Lots more to say on this issue, but hopefully some of these starting points will get you thinking.
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dirtae大约 15 年前
The Intelligent Investor by Ben Graham is a classic, and a good place to start. A Random Walk Down Wall Street is also a must read, even if you reject the efficient market hypothesis. Of course, there is a huge difference between trading and investing. These books are firmly about investing, not trading.
vaksel大约 15 年前
by losing a bunch of money.<p>personally I didn't find the games etc to be all that useful, you act completely different when it's real money on the line.<p>luckily I started out around the time the market started picking back up, so even when I made stupid bets they paid off.
iamelgringo大约 15 年前
I'm not a trader, I do index funds. But, I'm a news hound, and I love reading economic an financial news, which is why I started <a href="http://Newsley.com" rel="nofollow">http://Newsley.com</a>.<p>I went out to NY last week and met with the guys from <a href="http://stocktwits.com" rel="nofollow">http://stocktwits.com</a>. They're trying to revamp trading through social media. They have a really active twitter channel,and I follow a number of their twitter feeds.<p>They've also started streaming live video while the US market is open. They have a number of traders broadcast live while they are trading. It's a pretty cool concept. I wish them well.<p>If you looking for reviews of trading news, and companies, etc... there's <a href="http://www.investimonials.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.investimonials.com/</a>.
ezliu大约 15 年前
<a href="http://www.amazon.com/Options-Futures-Other-Derivatives-5th/dp/0130090565" rel="nofollow">http://www.amazon.com/Options-Futures-Other-Derivatives-5th/...</a><p><a href="http://www.amazon.com/Investments-Zvi-Bodie/dp/007293414X" rel="nofollow">http://www.amazon.com/Investments-Zvi-Bodie/dp/007293414X</a><p>are both very good general resources.<p>Investments is a very broad approach that covers a lot of markets and basics and how things work. Very accessible to complete beginners.<p>The Hull is an introductory text and a great reference source to keep handy. You'll need to be slightly mathy to get it, but I suspect most HN readers will feel at home.
davidkellis大约 15 年前
One of the best books I've read about investing is Vitaliy Katsenelson's Active Value Investing: Making Money in Range-Bound Markets.<p>Katsenelson argues that one should have a sell strategy in mind before purchasing a stock, instead of buying a stock and then holding forever, what he calls "buy and forget to sell".<p>His book is not about day trading, but he does advocate timing, what he calls pricing, a trade so that a stock purchase is made when it's a good value proposition and sold when it becomes more fully valued.<p>I hadn't heard the term Range-Bound markets before reading his book. He defines the term and uses it to help him make the argument that taking a more active approach to investing (i.e. buying and selling as opposed to buying and forgetting to sell) is a good strategy in bear markets and range-bound markets, and isn't a bad strategy in bull markets.<p>It's a very readable book. I'd suggest it to anyone.<p>Also, Katsenelson has his own suggested reading: <a href="http://contrarianedge.com/2009/10/28/books-that-will-help-gain-sanity-in-insane-market-part-2/" rel="nofollow">http://contrarianedge.com/2009/10/28/books-that-will-help-ga...</a>
maigret大约 15 年前
Through a recent HN discussion, I discovered the finance course from Robert Shiller at Yale, and this is really only joy to look at this lecture. You get the whole semester in video: <a href="http://academicearth.org/lectures/finance-and-insurance" rel="nofollow">http://academicearth.org/lectures/finance-and-insurance</a>
reidman大约 15 年前
I read Investing for Dummies back in 2004. It taught me all the basics I needed to know -- mostly lingo, since I had no clue what all the TLAs meant.<p>I had just gotten my hands on a few thousand dollars that I knew would otherwise be wasted on an unnecessary purchase, so I signed up with Ameritrade (back in 2004 when it was much less user-friendly) and had to read the book before I felt confident enough to actually place an order.<p>The book advised me to buy what I knew, and to only buy something I planned on holding for a long time. Luckily I had just tried out a Powerbook for the first time and was blown away, so I bought a bunch of Apple stock.
sgoraya大约 15 年前
<a href="http://www.bogleheads.org/readbooks.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.bogleheads.org/readbooks.htm</a><p>Probably the best resource I have found online; the forums are great, the folks are really helpful with a lot of useful information.
splat大约 15 年前
<a href="http://www.investopedia.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.investopedia.com/</a> is a wonderful website with lots of basic financial information that spans much more than just trading and investing.
brc大约 15 年前
The first thing to do is decide whether you really want to invest the time and effort into learning. Realise that the people you are playing against are professionals who do it all day every day. That's not to say you can't develop an edge and beat them, but don't assume you can walk in with no experience and set the world alight. Nobody here would expect a novice programmer to sit down and write the most awesome web app in a weekend - the same principle applies.<p>In this thread I've seen 'day trade', 'don't day trade', 'index funds' , 'don't do index funds'. Realise that all this advice is contrary, and only applicable to the specific people providing it. What matters is finding something compatible with your belief system, not twisting your mind to try and accept somebody else's belief system. Because when the pain and stress arrive, if you're not fully aligned with your strategy, then you're going to make the wrong choice.<p>Once you've decided you're going to put some effort in, then you need to work out a strategy that aligns with your personality. This needs to evaluate things like:<p>- your risk tolerance<p>- your expectations of returns<p>- your starting capital<p>- your analytical skills<p>Everyone is different, and the only people who succeed are ones who find an approach that works for their personality, and then take the time to get rid of their mistakes.<p>As for books, here's what I recommend:<p>- Intelligent Investor by Ben Graham - the take away in this book is the 'margin of safety' concept<p>- Trade your way to Financial Freedom by Dr Van Tharp - the take away in this book is that active management by position sizing and risk setting dictates more of your return than your actual strategy.<p>- Market Wizards, The New Market Wizards and the Stock Market Wizards, all by Jack Schwager. These books are all a series of interviews with top traders in commodities, currencies, funds, stocks and probably something I've forgotten. By understanding how an incredibly diverse set of traders have made astounding returns in the same markets should make you realise that there is no one approach that works, there are only approaches that work for specific people.<p>Good luck, and pray your first trade is a failure, not a success. Because you need to learn the pain of loss and how to minimise it before you taste the sweetness of profit.
rmanocha大约 15 年前
I've recently started doing some investing (in both stocks and MF's) - in the Indian market. Over a 3 month period, I've had higher returns on my Growth MF's than on all the stocks I've bought.<p>I'm slowly starting to pull out of stocks and reinvesting that money into MF's - stocks take up too much time for it to be worth the effort.
sahaj大约 15 年前
start reading the financial news. the best way to learn about the stock market is to start paying attention to the financial news. there's a lot of data to be absorbed when you first start, but with time it'll become easy to read and understand the news articles and how they relate. also start paying attention to the major indexes, prices of commodities and currency. pay close attention to monetary policy set by the legislative body and find out how that may affect the general market or a specific market. pay close attention to the habits of the consumer - how she uses credit, her spending capacity, wages, etc.<p>just like most things in life, practice makes perfect. start practicing your trade/investment hunches. start with small wagers and increase them as you learn more and start to understand what works and what doesn't.
pathik大约 15 年前
I stopped day trading when I discovered that the time I spent tracking my investments and researching stocks was not worth the profits I earned.<p>I would rather buy an index fund or go long on certain stocks with excellent fundamentals.
known大约 15 年前
<i>Any good videos/books ?</i><p><a href="http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/forumdisplay.php?s=&#38;forumid=25" rel="nofollow">http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/forumdisplay.php?s=&#38;forumi...</a>
bluesmoon大约 15 年前
My girlfriend taught me a lot and then it was just by actually putting money out there and by talking to friends who were doing the same.
steve19大约 15 年前
The same way I learn most things: by making mistakes.
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