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EU Announces That All Scientific Articles Should Be Freely Accessible by 2020

1205 点作者 emartinelli超过 8 年前

37 条评论

anonymousDan超过 8 年前
Why on earth do people think this is to the detriment of publishers? This will effectively just lock in their profits by forcing all eu grants to include the cost of payments to publishers to make research papers open access. It just means the taxpayer is now paying for open access instead of individuals having to pay up themselves. Note I'm not saying this is a bad thing, and it is possibly worth publicly subsidising this as an intermediate step, but it is far from being one in the eye for publishers as other comments here seem to think.
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thr0waway1239超过 8 年前
I sometimes wonder if companies like Elsevier are the patent trolls of the research publishing industry - with the same chilling effect on the spread of innovation. [1]<p>It will be interesting to see how this affects the quality of reviewing. I think the defendants of the current system (who usually say someone has to bear the cost of the review process) are going to be rudely surprised when the academic community embraces this with gusto. The parallel with OSS is interesting - somewhat in the same spirit as the programming community embraced open source, I think the benefit of open access is that the researcher evaluates the tradeoff between &#x27;capturing value&#x27; vs &#x27;making a difference&#x27;, without worrying about the external factor of &#x27;what does this external entity, which provided very little in terms of constructive input when the work was being done, allow me to do (with regards to publishing openly)?&#x27;.<p>But then again, I could be completely wrong, especially in domains like the physical sciences where I don&#x27;t know how the incentives align. I hope it works out well, and that soon this is the just the norm in all countries.<p>[1] <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;blogoftheisotopes.blogspot.in&#x2F;2012&#x2F;01&#x2F;elsevier-backlash.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;blogoftheisotopes.blogspot.in&#x2F;2012&#x2F;01&#x2F;elsevier-backla...</a>
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exceptione超过 8 年前
Although I did not contribute to anything of this, it makes me a proud European. :)<p>I wonder if the US will follow suits when&#x2F;if this happens. Any thoughts?<p>---<p>Edit: maybe it would be better to link to the original source instead [<a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;futurism.com&#x2F;eu-announces-that-all-european-scientific-articles-should-be-freely-accessible-by-2020&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;futurism.com&#x2F;eu-announces-that-all-european-scientifi...</a>].
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bobthechef超过 8 年前
Because I don&#x27;t generally believe altruism is a thing in politics, the majority of the article is just fluff and smoke. Scientific literacy? What a crock. Scientific papers aren&#x27;t for boosting the kind of basic scientific literacy the links to. They are generally written for an already literate audience (putting aside the poor quality of a great deal of science and scientific papers). The overriding pragmatic motive here is hinted at in the following sentence:<p>&quot;Ultimately, this decision comes as a result of a meeting by the Competitiveness Council,which includes the ministers of Science, Innovation, Trade, and Industry.&quot;<p>EU science, being what it is, needs to be more competitive. One way to become competitive in the face American or even Japanese competition is to take the open source&#x2F;free software route and make research freely available. This makes the research more accessible, unburdens relatively poor European universities from having to pay expensive journal memberships, increases the ability of EU institutions to collaborate, and allows the EU to attract collaborators from abroad by removing financial thresholds. And because science in the US has stronger ties to industry, it plays an important role in determining the economic prowess of the US. Poor entrepreneurs can also benefit from the move. The EU is likely aiming in a similar direction (though I personally know members of European academia who dislike the collaboration between academia and industry).
rerx超过 8 年前
I wonder if this will mean that European scientist will only be allowed to publish in open access journals or if it will be sufficient if copies of the papers are made freely available. The APS, who publishes the Physical Review journals which are some of the most important in physics, for instance already allows authors and their employers to post their papers online free of charge [<a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;journals.aps.org&#x2F;rmp&#x2F;copyrightFAQ.html#post" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;journals.aps.org&#x2F;rmp&#x2F;copyrightFAQ.html#post</a>]. In my field everybody already puts every paper onto the arxiv anyway, so open access is almost a lived practice.
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pjc50超过 8 年前
Note that the current publishing arrangements for &quot;open access&quot; can often involve substantial fees paid by the authors to the publishers. Arxiv is definitely an exception.
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pietro超过 8 年前
The EU hasn&#x27;t &quot;announced&quot; anything. There was a meeting between several influential people connected to the EU, and they reached an informal agreement on something related to freely accessible research. The &quot;announcement&quot; is nothing but the minutes of that meeting.
daveguy超过 8 年前
<i>Cough</i> sci-hub <i>Cough</i><p>Edit: a few of the links on the wiki page still link to it.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.m.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Sci-Hub" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.m.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Sci-Hub</a><p>They also have a Facebook page and an onion route.
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couac超过 8 年前
This was a big announcement, but there was no action defined at the time of the announcement. I wrote about it several months ago, because I had many questions following this news: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;tailordev.fr&#x2F;blog&#x2F;2016&#x2F;05&#x2F;31&#x2F;our-take-on-the-recent-eu-announcement&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;tailordev.fr&#x2F;blog&#x2F;2016&#x2F;05&#x2F;31&#x2F;our-take-on-the-recent-...</a>.
d_theorist超过 8 年前
Here is what was actually agreed: <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;data.consilium.europa.eu&#x2F;doc&#x2F;document&#x2F;ST-9526-2016-INIT&#x2F;en&#x2F;pdf" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;data.consilium.europa.eu&#x2F;doc&#x2F;document&#x2F;ST-9526-2016-IN...</a> (PDF direct link)<p>The intention sounds good, but it seems like there is still a lot of detail to be worked out.
tiatia超过 8 年前
The EU announces? Didn&#x27;t the EU announce that EU roaming should be free by 2017? Last thing I read that now this has a dozen limitations, including a time limitation of 90days and only if the SIM has been used in the home country for a while. Ok. Now lets see how this turns out.
kahrkunne超过 8 年前
Doesn&#x27;t that just have the effect that everyone now has to pay for scientific articles? I mean, as a scientist, this benefits me, but I can see why your average Joe wouldn&#x27;t be happy to pay taxes so he can read articles he can&#x27;t understand...
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d3ckard超过 8 年前
Great change! Makes me proud of european institutions.
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akerro超过 8 年前
What if a paper was written by an international team with members from US&#x2F;Australia?
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lrmunoz超过 8 年前
After the final recommendation the European Commission has proposed about the abolition of roaming charges [1] I&#x27;m very skeptical about this type of announcement. Still publishers won&#x27;t probably be able to lobby as hard as telcos though<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.engadget.com&#x2F;2016&#x2F;09&#x2F;06&#x2F;european-commission-free-roaming-limits&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.engadget.com&#x2F;2016&#x2F;09&#x2F;06&#x2F;european-commission-free...</a>
r721超过 8 年前
Previous discussion: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=11787271" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=11787271</a>
stcredzero超过 8 年前
Some studies have concluded that there is now more social mobility in Europe than in the US. Now I see more and more &quot;bellwether&quot; laws and executive actions coming from Europe first. Does this mean that the US, being at the top of the hierarchy and in charge of the world&#x27;s largest empire, has now ceded innovation to the up and coming powers, much as Britain did to the United States in the 19th and 20th century?
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peter303超过 8 年前
Shift cost to author and grant agencies then. A couple of studies I have read says it costs about $1500 to review edit and publish an article. In addition several thousand dolars of volunteer time is provided by editors and reviewers. If the subscribers wont be paying, then costs will shifted to the author. Some free online journals already only charge the author.
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faragon超过 8 年前
Why are not already free? Most EU scientific institutions take tons of public money (even private scientific institutions).
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danjoc超过 8 年前
Does this include data sets used for publication? If so, is there a specified format for publishing data sets?
somid3超过 8 年前
This is such an incredible feat that I just want to trow a note here so I can reference in the future to show off. If the metric of global innovation has an exponential power, this act alone will likely increase that power by 10%
snvzz超过 8 年前
Why wait until 2020?<p>This should be effective today, while giving a few month grace period at most.
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EGreg超过 8 年前
Does freely accessible mean copies can be hosted by anyone anywhere?<p>I would say that fingerprinting is still useful, to knowthat the original information hasn&#x27;t been tampered with.<p>Why do we need publishers again?
fithisux超过 8 年前
The next step would be to make all drivers open source by 2020.
carapace超过 8 年前
(Thin sans-serif body text means you hate your readers. Making it grey means you <i>really</i> hate them.)
quirkot超过 8 年前
The demarcation problem just became the most important problem in publishing
MrForken超过 8 年前
Hmm the word Should is an indicator of where this is going
MrForken超过 8 年前
Notice the would Should in this headliner.
alekhkhanna超过 8 年前
Wasn&#x27;t this news 3 months back ?
yiyus超过 8 年前
This will be probably be postponed to 2022. Then, in 2021, they will say that papers will be free only for 90 days.
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aabbcc1241超过 8 年前
can we just put every paper on github ?
mordae超过 8 年前
JUST GIVE THE MONEY TO LIBRARIES!
pacificleo11超过 8 年前
arron swartz was right
hackaflocka超过 8 年前
Thank goodness for Europe.
dagurp超过 8 年前
*European Union
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zakk超过 8 年前
That&#x27;s incredibly stupid. The publishing of scientific papers has a cost, in terms of editorial service, proofreading, typesetting.<p>This cost will be paid by scientists, rather than by the readers. In other words, the papers will be free to read, but won&#x27;t be free to publish.<p>I know as a fact that smaller research groups struggle to pay current publishing fees, and as a matter of fact the EU decision will increase them, making the situation worse.
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denzell超过 8 年前
Why? whats next? Free newspapers.. free travel.. let&#x27;s close all businesses.
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