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The disruption of Silicon Valley’s restaurant scene

67 点作者 kanamekun超过 8 年前

15 条评论

twblalock超过 8 年前
There&#x27;s nothing specific to tech about this. In any place where rents increase more than 60% in a few years, whether that increase is caused by tech or anything else, lots of restaurants aren&#x27;t going to make it. The same is true for many other small businesses with small profit margins, such as indie bookstores, for example.<p>On the other hand, I pass through downtown Palo Alto every weekday, and I see plenty of open restaurants. Many are able to succeed. It&#x27;s not like the area is a wasteland of tech offices with private cafeterias. There are more people in downtown Palo Alto eating and drinking now than at any time in the past.
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lukeschlather超过 8 年前
Like a lot of Silicon Valley&#x27;s problems, this really comes down to unreasonable height restrictions. When you have to choose between a 3000 sq.ft. restaurant and 3000 sq.ft. office space, the offices can pay better.<p>If the city would let people build large office towers they could put restaurants on the ground floor and this choice wouldn&#x27;t have to happen.
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danso超过 8 年前
Some context:<p><a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;sf.curbed.com&#x2F;2016&#x2F;8&#x2F;23&#x2F;12603188&#x2F;palo-alto-mayor-housing-interview" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;sf.curbed.com&#x2F;2016&#x2F;8&#x2F;23&#x2F;12603188&#x2F;palo-alto-mayor-hous...</a><p>The mayor recently made news about wanting to <i>stifle</i> job growth, as it far outpaces what he believes is acceptable housing availability:<p>&gt; <i>Burt: Palo Alto’s greatest problem right now is the Bay Area’s massive job growth. Cities are still embracing huge commercial development with millions of square feet of office space they can’t support. They’re chasing their tails. We started reining in office growth and put a cap on it. And then we began expanding housing in our downtown areas, which we’re in the process of.</i><p>What&#x27;s funny is that the mayor himself is a CEO of a tech company headquartered in Palo Alto downtown. Some of the things he says are infuriating (&quot;We don’t want to turn into Manhattan&quot;...as if PA were anything close to Manhattan) but as I understand it, he was the more pro-housing&#x2F;growth candidate in the mayor race:<p><a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.paloaltoonline.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;2016&#x2F;01&#x2F;04&#x2F;burt-returns-to-the-mayors-chair-in-palo-alto" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.paloaltoonline.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;2016&#x2F;01&#x2F;04&#x2F;burt-returns-t...</a><p>&gt; <i>The two votes mean that the council&#x27;s top two leadership positions will now shift from members with the heaviest slow-growth residentialist leanings to ones with less predictable voting records. While Burt has played a leading role in the council&#x27;s recent adoption of an office cap, its efforts to preserve retail and its reform to the &quot;planned-community&quot; zoning, he had also split from the residentialists in supporting several recent developments, including mixed-use projects at 101 Lytton and 441 Page Mill Road (Holman and Schmid had opposed both).</i>
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KKKKkkkk1超过 8 年前
&quot;It is a story playing out across Silicon Valley, where restaurateurs say that staying afloat is a daily battle with rising rents, high local fees and acute labor shortages. And tech behemoths like Apple, Facebook and Google are hiring away their best line cooks, dishwashers and servers with wages, benefits and perks that restaurant owners simply cannot match.<p>...<p>That may not be an issue for tech workers with access to free, farm-fresh cuisine in corporate cafeterias, but for everyone else here it is leaving a void between the takeout cuisine popping up around Palo Alto — picture bento boxes ordered on iPads at a counter — and $500 meals at high-end restaurants.&quot;<p>I consider the Bay Area as being affected by a Dutch disease phenomenon, meaning that all industries are crowded out by the one that has a comparative advantage, and that products and services that are not easily transportable undergo significant price and wage inflation.
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Animats超过 8 年前
First world problem.<p>Palo Alto&#x27;s University Avenue has enough good restaurants. Some are not obvious. Gyros Gyros has excellent fish platters and kabobs. There are several decent Chinese restaurants. Paris Baguette is OK.<p>It&#x27;s interesting that Palantir is leasing all the available office space. That&#x27;s unusual, but not unheard of. In the early days of Autodesk, they at one point had leased most of the office space in Sausalito. The city council was unhappy about this, so Autodesk moved to San Raphael where they could lease large office buildings.<p>I noticed yet another rug store opening on University Avenue recently. Someone must need an investor visa. The guy who owns most of the rug stores used to lease the upstairs to startups in exchange for equity. Now he&#x27;s a venture capitalist.
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temp20160423超过 8 年前
Are these restaurants just not that good to start with? If they were good, couldn&#x27;t they increase prices and then increase wages they offer to staff?<p>The article implies that the fast casual $10-15&#x2F;person places are doing fine. My impression of PA is that the fancier $30+&#x2F;pp places are also busy. It&#x27;s possible there&#x27;s simply less demand for the places at a price point in between (although there&#x27;s not really evidence of this in the article).
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DrScump超过 8 年前
The article is oddly silent on food truck competition. Food trucks avoid real estate costs, most employees, and are given free rein to compete with brick-and-mortar restaurants, even to the point of being allocated parking right on the same block in some cases. The result was easily predictable.
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jdale27超过 8 年前
It&#x27;s hard to imagine why anyone outside Palo Alto would care about the food scene in Palo Alto. As far as food goes, Palo Alto is a provincial backwater that just happens to have a few decent restaurants due to the unlikely concentration of rich people in the area. The continued cultural desertification of the peninsula and the south bay (there wasn&#x27;t really ever much culture there to begin with) is yet another effect of the tech monoculture dominating the socioeconomic ecosystem.
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Steeeve超过 8 年前
The result of this is extraordinarily poor service at some restaurants. And some restaurants are downright scary. Business is brisk at most places that I&#x27;ve been to - quality of food and service seems to have little to do with how much business they do. Some places have fantastic service and great food. For the most part, I think it really is a matter of competing for the right employees. Chains don&#x27;t do well in the area outside of the Stanford Shopping Center. (For instance, I stay away from Cheesecake Factory even though I really like them outside the area).<p>I find it strange that the New York Times would print something about Palo Alto restaurants. I&#x27;m sure the same scenario exists in several areas of NYC. High rents make it tough to bring in good employees for service jobs. At least PA has a student body to work with.
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DannyBee超过 8 年前
This is basically what should happen.<p>I&#x27;m also unsure what relation tech has to it.<p>Either restaraunts&#x2F;etc pay enough to make it possible for people to live there (and in turn, people living there pay for those things), or they close, eventually causing people to stop deciding to live in those parts (eventually helping to bring prices back down)<p>It happens right now that tech is a major industry in the area can afford to pay those people enough to live there.<p>But it&#x27;s also probably true that people would not like PA as much if every restaurant closes.<p>So, .....<p>This is the same as the cities having trouble attracting police&#x2F;firemen&#x2F;etc because they can&#x27;t pay enough.<p>Either the people living there will pay more, or they&#x27;ll be okay with no police&#x2F;firemen, or they&#x27;ll decide they don&#x27;t want to live in a place with no police&#x2F;firemen, which will help bring prices back down.
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ignasl超过 8 年前
Rules and regulations create market imbalances and no change later is possible because of special interests lobbying. Population is later brainwashed into blaming free market and &quot;evil&quot; corporations. Such a life in socialist dystopia. At least SV is not Venezuela and they really have first world problems. Just remove all the permits to build housing and the problem will go away in a few years. Of course special interests who already extracting very nice rents of their properties wouldn&#x27;t like that.
marmot777超过 8 年前
Are the staff that are hired away from the restaurants better off in a substantial way to off set the damage done to the restaurant owners and non-tech industry people. Yes, I do think it is an ethnical issue even though the market&#x27;s involved. :-)
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cyberferret超过 8 年前
Article is behind a paywall. Anyone got a precis?<p>EDIT: Not sure why this was downvoted? I thought it was reasonable to ask for a short summary of the article seeing as I don&#x27;t have a paid subscription to the NY Times? Or are people who don&#x27;t want to spend the cash simply excluded from the conversation with no recourse?
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eruditely超过 8 年前
This is because our impotent tech elite have failed to even solve the first issue they&#x27;ve organized to solve, housing!<p>We should ask for new elites, it&#x27;s always been ok to ask for new elites when they&#x27;ve failed. They literally installed a foreign elite everywhere they went who did not know the local population and always brought negative externalities with them.<p>The tech elite managed a feat that not even the financial elite have, they managed to get the locals to hate them everywhere they&#x27;ve moved in!
RangerScience超过 8 年前
I really like the formula! (Performance = Potential - Interference)<p>This reminds me of two recent things, and one older thing.<p>A) <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;killsixbilliondemons.wikia.com&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Meti&#x27;s_Sword_Manual" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;killsixbilliondemons.wikia.com&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Meti&#x27;s_Sword_Manu...</a> &quot;You must strive for attachment-non-attachment when cutting. Your cut must be sticky and resolute. A weak, listless cut is a despicable thing. But you must also not cling to your action, or its result. Clinging is the great error of men. A man who strikes without thought of his action can cut God.&quot;<p>B) I&#x27;ve been playing <i>a lot</i> of Holopoint, a VR archery game that keeps you in constant motion. I notice I do much better when I loose arrows without paying <i>that much</i> attention to the result of the shot... <i>if</i> I&#x27;ve started slow enough to get into the proper rhythm.<p>C) I&#x27;ve heard about a study on pottery student. One group was told they would only be judged on the best pot they produced; the other was told they would only be judged on the quantity of pots produced. In the end, the quantity group <i>also</i> produced the best pots.