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How Police and Courts are Misusing Unreliable IP Address Information [pdf]

105 点作者 Jasamba超过 8 年前

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jMyles超过 8 年前
It&#x27;s great that the EFF has outlined this material in such detail, but, as with many issues of legal epistemology, we need to remember that the state has an interest in <i>not understanding</i> these things, and it will continue to fail to understand until political pressure forces a different course.<p>A similar example: the tests used to detect the presence of certain chemical substances (&quot;narcotics field tests&quot;) are laughably unreliable[0], but police agencies across the USA continue to use them, and courts continue to accept their results as probable cause.<p>It is not difficult to explain to someone, in under 5 minutes, why IP addresses are insufficient to determine either identity or location, but the state chooses not the understand this information.<p>That is its nature, and also the reason to be optimistic that it is subject to deprecation in the information age.<p>0: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.washingtonpost.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;the-watch&#x2F;wp&#x2F;2015&#x2F;02&#x2F;26&#x2F;a-partial-list-of-things-that-field-testing-drug-kits-have-mistakenly-identified-as-contraband&#x2F;?utm_term=.fd172f07aa99" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.washingtonpost.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;the-watch&#x2F;wp&#x2F;2015&#x2F;02&#x2F;26&#x2F;...</a>
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grecy超过 8 年前
I have to wonder if the following would have any impact:<p>1. Create something, copyright it and put an insane value on it (movie, book, music, something)<p>2. Put it on torrent sites.<p>3. Spoof the IP address of a ton of high profile people - hopefully executives at he kinds of places the sue for this crap.<p>4. Download that copyrighted content with the spoofed IPs, and make sure it&#x27;s &quot;Monitored&quot; by one of the companies that monitor this junk<p>5. Sue them all for downloading your copyrighted content.<p>6. Likely in court they&#x27;ll argue that an IP address does not equal an individual, thus ending this nonsense once and for all.<p>Thoughts?
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riskable超过 8 年前
Another aspect of IP addresses in court cases I never understood is in regards to copyright infringement. When someone shows up in court with a log showing your IP doing &quot;something bad&quot; how do you know the log wasn&#x27;t entirely fabricated?<p>I mean, it&#x27;s pretty easy to create a log showing any given IP doing whatever you want. I seriously doubt that prosecutors are demonstrating a chain of custody and immutability in regards to such digital evidence.<p>If it&#x27;s the government doing it you at least have the sworn testimony of the investigating LEOs but in civil court it seems like it would be merely the word of the prosecution which is basically no different than, &quot;it happened because I said it happened.&quot;
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AstroJetson超过 8 年前
HN from a few days ago. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=12559183" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=12559183</a><p>Article is about another real example of raiding the homes of innocent people based only on IP addresses.<p>It&#x27;s a real nightmare for the people involved. It&#x27;s scary that after all this time the legal system doesn&#x27;t really understand that IP address does not mean physical address.
wmf超过 8 年前
Previously: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=12558308" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=12558308</a>