Visual Studio 2010 released

Having used Visual Studio for 10 years and even written a book on it I can say I am totally tired of this huge and bloated IDE and can't wait until I am done with .NET work or MonoDevelop is good enough to switch. (it's getting close)

"A powerful IDE that ensures quality code", they say. Now <i>that</i> would be worth paying money for. If it were possible. Which it isn't.

I know that this might sound like an attack, but it's not. I'm just asking out of curiosity: If you want to code in Java, there are highly sophisticated IDEs you can download and code in for free (eg - eclipse). The same for Mac (Xcode).<p>When MS bought out .NET - was there any particular IDE or language development environment that was distributed for free to encourage (especially young) developers to code in it? Or did you always have to pay for Visual Studio?<p>I'm not slagging off MS. I'm actually genuinely interested in getting my hands dirty with some Visual C# now that Windows 7 is shaping up to be quite a nice OS to use. It just seems odd that I have to pay someone so that I can write stuff for their OS.

Can anyone describe how the Visual Studio 2010 IDE compares to 2008 IDE performance-wise?

Did they fix the bug that forces you to restart your app if you edit a function that has an anonymous/lambda/linq statement?<p>This has been by far and away my #1 complaint for over three years (<a href="http://blog.adamsmith.cc/2007/03/complaints-about-visual-studio.html" rel="nofollow">http://blog.adamsmith.cc/2007/03/complaints-about-visual-stu...</a>). It is a huge deterrent from taking advantage of most of C#'s beauties.

ultimate version available for a <i>completely reasonable</i> $12 000! <a href="http://www.microsoft.com/visualstudio/en-us/products/2010-editions/ultimate" rel="nofollow">http://www.microsoft.com/visualstudio/en-us/products/2010-ed...</a>

C++0x! Time to use auto, move constructors, and shared_ptr!<p><a href="http://blogs.msdn.com/vcblog/archive/2010/04/06/c-0x-core-language-features-in-vc10-the-table.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://blogs.msdn.com/vcblog/archive/2010/04/06/c-0x-core-la...</a><p>In fact, I've read existing STL-heavy C++ (returning std::vector&#60;std::string&#62; by value from functions, for example) will sometimes double in performance when compiling with a C++0x-capable compiler.<p>I wish the new historical debugger worked for C++.

found some concrete info from Scott Guthrie's twitter feed (he's the VP of the MS Developer Division).<p>-------------------------------<p>MSDN Subscribers &#38; WebsiteSpark/BizSpark members can download VS 2010 Monday morning.<p>The final release of VS 2010 &#38; .NET 4 will be available ~10am PST.<p>Free VS 2010 Express Editions + VS 2010 Trial editions will also be available for download.<p>-------------------------------<p><a href="http://twitter.com/scottgu" rel="nofollow">http://twitter.com/scottgu</a>

Wow. Coming from the Mac, I have never realized you had to pay, and possibly pay so very much, for dev tools on Windows. What kind of things does VS do that are exciting? I see they have a feature list a million miles long, but I can't get a sense of what VS does that eclipse or Xcode does not. Color me surprised.

Up voted, cause its news to me. I would like a review of .NET 4.0 or an overview of new features in VS 2010 sometime.

Is it safe to assume they haven't updated their C support from the 21 year old standard to the 11 year old standard?

Hmmm, express editions are not yet updated.

I don't expect too many people on HN are doing SharePoint work, but if you are, you need to get VS 10 now. They've added templates for a variety of projects, and single-click compile/package/retract/deploy/debug of your project.

Looks cool. I'm a ruby dev on osx, but ill be installing the demo and playing around with this thing for sure. I really like the innovations in .net 4.0 for dynamic languages.<p>Anyone know the status of ironruby within this release?

I know named and optional parameters are in there for C#.

Does anybody know when this will be available for download in MSDN subscriptions?

What's the cheap legal way to get it?<p>Empower is going away May 21st; Any other options?

Is it available at MSDN subscription downloads yet?

<i>A powerful IDE that ensures quality code</i><p>Isn't that awesome?

This sites switches to a mobile version when I browse there on my iPad. Maybe they haven't noticed the iPad release?