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Uber Slayer: How China’s Didi Beat the Ride-Hailing Superpower

44 点作者 srunni超过 8 年前

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3pt14159超过 8 年前
This is just a Bloomberg PR piece. China has a plan for the internet: Don&#x27;t let outsiders control critical IT infrastructure &#x2F; personal data.<p>&gt; It was widely suggested in press accounts that the Chinese government helped Didi in its battle against Uber. Cheng rejects that, noting that as the largest ride-hailing company, Didi had to shoulder most of the regulatory burden and paid tens of millions of yuan to cover driver traffic citations and other fines.<p>Here in 2015 is the president of Didi talking about the strong government support they received:<p><a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;video.cnbc.com&#x2F;gallery&#x2F;?video=3000395252" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;video.cnbc.com&#x2F;gallery&#x2F;?video=3000395252</a><p>I&#x27;m not criticizing them, if I were China I wouldn&#x27;t want the USA in charge of that either, but let&#x27;s not pretend this was a level playing field.
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usaar333超过 8 年前
The article is rather light on details on what Didi actually did better, but from using Uber as a foreigner in China, I could see significant problems in Uber&#x27;s product execution:<p>1. The Android app continues to use Google Maps which is Great Firewall blocked, meaning I had to use a VPN to load uncached tiles.<p>2. Uber in turn IP blocks EC2, preventing me from using my main VPN while in app.<p>3. Entities on the map are shifted by the GCJ-02 offset (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Restrictions_on_geographic_data_in_China" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Restrictions_on_geographic_dat...</a>), meaning entities on the map are shifted by 0.5 miles (look at those cars driving on parkland: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.dropbox.com&#x2F;s&#x2F;hhkrjyka5uq0pfb&#x2F;PeopleUber.png?dl=0" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.dropbox.com&#x2F;s&#x2F;hhkrjyka5uq0pfb&#x2F;PeopleUber.png?dl=...</a>)<p>4. User support was absolutely non-existent. After I responded to an automatic email from the local community manager inviting me to ask any questions, I only received an automated emails telling me I won&#x27;t be helped.<p>5. Help pages in the app on Uber China tell me to see the Chinese translation, with no actual link to said translation.<p>While the foreigner use-case in China is niche, the sheer amount of obvious (and easily resolvable) problems I ran into suggests that Uber has organizational problems ensuring both drivers and customers have good experiences in foreign countries.<p>One blog from Jan 2014 highlights how bad the execution was at launch: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.larrysalibra.com&#x2F;5-problems-with-uber-in-china-and-why-i-love-it&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.larrysalibra.com&#x2F;5-problems-with-uber-in-china-a...</a> - the most absurd being that Uber (at that time) only accepted US-branded credit cards which few Chinese nationals hold.
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polemic超过 8 年前
Uber&#x27;s problems extend far beyond China. While the app is nice, its the cheap fares that bring the vast majority of users to Uber, vs competitors or plain ol&#x27; taxis.<p>Those cheap fares are artificially low, funded by SV money and ignoring regulatory issues. But money does run out (or investors want a real return eventually), and regulators either change the law (nullifying their advantage) or crackdown completely.<p>Uber&#x27;s network effects are almost non-existant. Every small geographic market has to be fought and won the hard, and expensive way. And when the money runs out and the fares go up, there is no market lock-in. Barriers to entry are <i>low</i>, potential competitors include anyone with a car, Uber just doesn&#x27;t have a way to lock in market dominance.<p>Which is probably why they&#x27;re rushing toward driverless vehicles as fast as they possibly can. Their own staff are an existential threat so they have to remove them as soon as possible. Except that puts them in direct competition with a whole range of extremely well funded, and well connected industry players.<p>So. Good luck Uber, this is just an example writ large of where Uber is heading in the not to distant future.
the_common_man超过 8 年前
For those crying wolf about protectionism...<p>In general, I think most nations should have more closed door policies like China. My country (which won&#x27;t be named) does not have a startup ecosystem anymore and we have become a consumption ground for one silicon valley startup after another. Instead of fostering local startups and paying some money (since many bootstrap and do not have big pockets), all the companies just take the freebies of silicon valley startups. We had a local chat start up but slack ate their lunch. Everyone here just uses the slack free tier. How do you compete against free?<p>Eventually, this has led to all the data of individuals and companies on US soil (or wherever those startups feel like stashing the data). We have no control or say over it. If we are to look for alternatives, there is none in our own country.<p>And for those who think the world is one giant land where everyone can roam freely, it&#x27;s impossible for me to move to any of the western world because of visa restrictions. And US has the harshest work visas on the plante.
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readhn超过 8 年前
I completely understand Chinese (or any other country) entrepreneurs, why let some foreign company come in and take all the money (ultimately a lot of it outside the country) when you can do the same internally. The idea is not a rocket science, all about execution. And locals know the specifics of China more than a bunch of silicon valley grads.<p>Cheers to these guys for making it work in China. And Good luck to Uber fighting strengthening competition all around the world.
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JumpCrisscross超过 8 年前
Giving an American company where your people are, where they are going and with whom they are likely meeting and traveling was a non-starter <i>before</i> we confirmed every Tom, Dick and Harry at a three-letter agency has the ability to stalk their - and anybody else&#x27;s - kids and ex girlfriends.
FT_intern超过 8 年前
through anti-competitive policies?
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jimjimjim超过 8 年前
china is a difficult market. if it wasn&#x27;t for the perpetual carrot of 1 billion consumers i doubt many would bother.
1_2__3超过 8 年前
Wait, so we&#x27;re supposed to believe this was some kind of merit or business acumen thing? Is anyone really that gullible?
bigdrum超过 8 年前
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