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Tim Berners-Lee just gave us an opening to stop DRM in Web standards

318 点作者 mynameislegion超过 8 年前

14 条评论

eveningcoffee超过 8 年前
Everyone who is ignorant towards the standard DRM in web browsers does not see the forest behind the trees.<p>It does not stop with movies or music.<p>If DRM is deeply integrated into the web then everything will get affected by it. Already today some publisher go to great lengths to try to disturb people from copying simple text and images. It will get only worse.<p>Currently the openness of the web has been very beneficial to the people willing to make an effort to learn the web technologies. I think that this has opened the field for many talented people. You can just inspect the page and try to learn how it is made by reverse engineering it. This will go away and you will get the inaccessible binary blob instead.
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gcp超过 8 年前
As others have pointed out, this amounts to nothing. At worst there&#x27;ll be no standard, at best there&#x27;ll be a standard not under W3C control.<p>That being said, Netflix was a big pusher for EME, as far as I know not because they wanted it, but because the studios they license from demand DRM. Yet, they seem to have lost most of their &quot;movie studio&quot; catalogue and are now focusing on originals.<p>Netflix guys, what about allowing us to see the originals even if we don&#x27;t have a CDM installed? That would kill DRM&#x2F;EME faster than hollow FSF &amp; EFF victories. FSF&#x2F;EFF guys, doesn&#x27;t this sound like a more promising campaign to you?
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lucb1e超过 8 年前
&gt; DRM&#x27;s dark history — from the Sony rootkit malware to draconian anti-circumvention laws — demonstrates that integrating it into Web standards would be nothing but bad for Web users.<p>This is where I get scared. What if DRM does not become a web standard? What is the alternative that companies will want to use instead?<p>That is for me the only reason why standardization might potentially be a good thing. Not because DRM is good, but because the alternative might be worse.<p>Everything in the past has been broken anyway. From CSS to AACS to HDCP[1]. I was hoping Firefox (and perhaps Chromium, but Google would probably not be so kind as to open source that part of the code) would have the DRM code built in so that we can spoof the whole thing with simple modifications. Better than having to reverse engineer Sony malware.<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Illegal_number" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Illegal_number</a>
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grogenaut超过 8 年前
EDIT: I&#x27;m not trying to bag on them, I just think they need to work on their messaging if they want to be effective:<p>That website seems about as in touch with people not of the same mindset as the back pages of norml&#x27;s website (once you got past the parts written by a pr person). It&#x27;s got a rotating banner to &quot;cancel netflix&quot; which links to a 2013 post about how netflix will make you use only certain browsers. Makes the site either seem disused... or &quot;tinfoil&quot; as I think most consumers love netflix.<p>(note I only used norml as an example because their site used to (and may still be) well articulated argument on the front which quickly devolves into what many people would see as weakly argued reasons for letting me get high. it&#x27;s why, in any movement, you put your articulate people out front even if they&#x27;re not the real driver).
oliv__超过 8 年前
&quot;Defective by Design&quot;<p>Sounds like pretty much everything that&#x27;s manufactured these days...
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Waterluvian超过 8 年前
Isn&#x27;t this just an arms race that they can never win? Regardless of source, encryption, format, etc. If a frame of a movie eventually makes it to my video card&#x27;s buffer, I can get at it, right? There is no end-to-end encryption from source into my brain.<p>I can only see this just being a colossal inconvenience for users, developers, and many many innocent applications.
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contingencies超过 8 年前
Vote with your money. Don&#x27;t buy Apple or Google devices, don&#x27;t pay for Netflix or similar DRM streaming systems, don&#x27;t buy Kindle books, don&#x27;t buy Steam games. Buy unlocked media only, and don&#x27;t forget to create some of your own.
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throw2016超过 8 年前
I think DRM is anti culture. Human history has been about sharing. We are a product of the whole. Cultural wealth has been passed down hundreds of years. Now the story tellers and singers do not want you to repeat their stuff, which put in perspective is not a very cultural thing to do.<p>And the only reason they can do this is because interests can congregate and technology can be abused but it seems morally and ethically questionable. You are not stealing anything, you are watching or listening to a product of our culture. You do not take anything away from anyone.<p>Its just a small period of 70 years before the internet when mass media and content creators could colloborate to &#x27;manufacture trends&#x27;, hits and disproportionate wealth.<p>Before that artists went broke and risked everything just to get their stuff published and out to readers and viewers. Obviously this is not how it should be but the whole &#x27;jetset star lifestyle&#x27; may not always be possible simply because you are an artist.<p>The problem is now that kind of &#x27;trend manufacturing&#x27; is much harder to pull off. But the entire industry from studios to artists have got throughly spoilt, got used to those disproportionate returns and are now throwing all their toys out of the pram.<p>Artists create but the rest of the world is also busy creating stuff. Engineers, industrial designers, scientists, programmers, eveyone is creating stuff. Can anyone just be &#x27;entitled&#x27; to extraordinary wealth just because they create. Maybe its their cost structures, business models and expectations that need to change.<p>DRM is just a tantrum backed by money, its rent seeking of the worst kind and our democractic institutions and systems are so compromised by special interests they will continue to get their way.
wooptoo超过 8 年前
That&#x27;s a bit disheartening. Instead of having a basic standard to start with, we will now have none.<p>The issue that FSF and others appears to have is with the Content Decryption Module which is a binary blob at the moment. Standardising&#x2F;opening up the CDM spec could have been done afterwards.<p>If the W3C were a bit sneakier they could have played a bait-and-switch game on the content providers and push for a standard&#x2F;opensource CDM at some point. Why couldn&#x27;t there be an open-source CDM?
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ubersoldat2k7超过 8 年前
There seems to be lots of confusion of what EME is because people bring up images, text and games. First of all, EME is targeted to video and, to less extent, music streaming. Streaming video content to web browsers is, currently, a mess. There are many DRM schemes and each does its own crazy shit to try and make it work on everyone&#x27;s browser. It&#x27;s also expensive. So expensive that only big companies will target big platforms.<p>Also, EME doesn&#x27;t affect only web browsers, it also affects SmartTVs which are limited to a few DRM products.<p>What EME and CENC try to achieve is to add simplicity to this process and for open source products to be able to compete with closed source ones. Even small DRM products are moving on this direction because it&#x27;s impossible for them to target all platforms. On this regard, even an open source DRM scheme could be achieved and compete.<p>DRM, EME and CENC will happen, and this only hurts open source products like Linux and Firefox. But it will happen.
INTPenis超过 8 年前
Pardon my cynicism but there is no stopping this. Money talks, money is power, activists lack both the power and organisation of large corporations.<p>I foresee a near future where only a few in society will be able to use the internet safely. There will be subcultures, small segregated pockets of people who refuse the big corporate alternatives on the internet.<p>We&#x27;re already seeing this today, think about it. I&#x27;m speaking from a Swedish perspective but when piracy on the www was relatively new in the 90s you&#x27;d go to &quot;your guy&quot; with the CD-burners and they would give you the movie, game, software you needed.<p>Only a few people knew enough to keep up with the trends, the BBS, the FTP sites and the newsgroups. Though there was little to none legal problems there were instead technical problems to piracy.<p>Then we had the piracy golden age, from about 98 to 2015, or today even. When everyone and their grandmother pirated. It was so easy, and torrents made it even easier.<p>But now the biggest ISP in Sweden has started handing over personal information of their subscribers to foreign companies who are sending monetary demands to the customers if their IP is found on trackers. So instead of being taken to court, just pay the money right?<p>That&#x27;s just the start, it will only get worse because corporations have all the power.<p>But let&#x27;s look at another example less sinister than piracy. Let&#x27;s look at simple tracking and web security. Even there you have to be relatively computer savvy to keep up with the new tools, Adblock is out, uBlock is in, Noscript author is under fire, alternatives are often hosted on github.<p>See what I mean? Safe web browsing is being restricted to a few people savvy enough, or interested enough, to keep up with that scene.<p>So already, today we&#x27;re seeing what the future holds for the internet. Any privacy conscious, safe browsing will be pushed to minority subcultures using different platforms, tools and networks than the rest of the population.<p>The internet will be just another TV or Radio, with indie broadcasters fighting to remain free in a vast sea of big corporations.<p>We&#x27;ll most definitely always have open source browsers but the question is how well these browsers will support the new DRM internet that I foresee in our futures.<p>So pardon my cynicism when I see no positive outcome for DRM on the web. I see instead a majority of content under DRM protection, some of it being copied by a small minority in society and spread through other smaller networks of people who refuse the mainstream web standards.<p>How this is achieved is just a technicality. It is inevitable because there&#x27;s money in it and as long as there&#x27;s money in it corporations will pour money into lobbying to change the rules in their favor.
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pc2g4d超过 8 年前
I&#x27;m just not so sure the EME is so horrible. If companies want to deliver their content encrypted then they will do so.
oldmanjay超过 8 年前
The politics of desire always make for fascinating attempts at rationalization
Jaruzel超过 8 年前
Unfortunately, it&#x27;s peoples very nature to avoid paying for things if they don&#x27;t have to. Whereas I don&#x27;t support the wholesale DRMing of everything, I do support the Content Creators right to be remunerated for their work.<p>Without DRM, people will steal stuff without regard for the creators survival. This was seen most visible in the Pop Music industry. Piracy was so rife, that indie musicians were considered too big a risk for the labels, who turned to low-risk-low-cost &#x27;music factory&#x27; style churning out of the same low quality pap that the popular charts is now peppered with.<p>If we don&#x27;t protect artists (by this I mean, musicians, game designers, visual artists, program makers etc.) from the people trying to steal from them, there will be no quality content going forward, and the only form of entertainment will come from the mega-corps trying to peddle their wares in the guise of ad-laden media.<p>So, in my view, a standard cross-platform secure DRM model for the web is required. If you want to consume it, you should be prepared to pay for it.
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