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Peter Higgs: I wouldn't be productive enough for today's academic system (2013)

378 点作者 ramgorur超过 8 年前

15 条评论

mpweiher超过 8 年前
When I was first exposed to the research &quot;environment&quot; during my Diplom studies (undergraduate - graduate, early to mid 90ies), I immediately recognised that if you actually love research and knowledge, academia was the last thing you ever want to get into. No surer way to kill the spark.<p>Now that I&#x27;ve gone back to do my PhD, the only reason I can do something I consider meaningful is because I am not a regular PhD student. Interestingly, that&#x27;s also the feedback I get, though as &quot;helpful&quot; advice that while what I am doing may be both good and important, it is unlikely to lead to success in academia. With the implication that I should stop doing it and concentrate on something more reasonable. Fortunately, I am not particularly interested in success in modern academia, so I get to do something I consider both good and important.<p>A related issue is that there really is no such thing as a senior researcher. Instead, professors are turned into research managers, responsible for helping their charges&#x27; careers, who then also turn into research managers. Actual research appears to be mostly a still not entirely avoidable side-effect. (And this seems similar to the way the only real way to advancement in industry is to switch to management, all dual-track equivalence rhetoric aside).
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erikb超过 8 年前
I can feel him. It is not just in science, but in business as well. People want results, not understand their problems. And they want them yesterday, despite only telling you about it today. In some regards it&#x27;s just a trick to keep you working hard for them. But still it&#x27;s neither fun nor actually productive.<p>It&#x27;s great to work with freelancers though, since from the good ones you can learn how to handle that situation: Don&#x27;t give users, customers, management enough information to really control you, understand that you are the one providing the results or not, and don&#x27;t talk about your work but only about that part of the results that they actually care about. This way they don&#x27;t consider you unproductive or incompetent, but that they need you. They still hate you, but they hate you because they need you. And that you can use to actually solve problems, take the time you need, and thereby provide the results they really need.
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bvv超过 8 年前
Peter Higgs published about 5 scientific papers after his Nobel-winning work in 1964 until his retirement in 1996, none of which were particularly impressive. I think this is below any reasonable standards, not just below contemporary academic standards. Therefore, barring special circumstances like an exemplary teaching record, in my opinion Edinburgh University would have been right to sack him and replace him with a more productive person. In short: I don&#x27;t think that Higgs nearly getting sacked is an accurate indication that academia has too much of a &#x27;publish or perish&#x27; culture.
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robotresearcher超过 8 年前
We expect senior professors to train students. How do you train students? By getting them to do work and write papers. If they haven&#x27;t published by graduation time, they can&#x27;t prove they can get the job done. This is the main reason that senior people produce a lot of papers - they have a lot of students.<p>I&#x27;ve written a bunch of papers - I don&#x27;t care any more about quantity. But I want each of my graduating students to have a publication or two so they can get a job. So we turn out a bunch of papers every year, and no, not every one is earth-shaking, partly because roughly every second paper is a student&#x27;s first one and that&#x27;s what they were capable of at the time.<p>It&#x27;s easy to miss this kind of dynamic from the outside.
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wazoox超过 8 年前
Jean-Pierre Sauvage (chemistry Nobel price 2016) said exactly the same thing recently. Working without pressure for 30 years in a state funded facility was central to his achievements.
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leksak超过 8 年前
This may be a symptom of the hyper-connective world we live in today. You observe this phenomenon elsewhere outside of academia as well. There is an intense pressure to distinguish oneself from the greater body of people occupying the same industry as yourself.<p>Consider that a vibrant Github profile is essentially a prerequisite to be considered as an engaged professional in software engineering these days. It doesn&#x27;t matter if you have ethical qualms about Github, or spend most of your day doing... your day job.<p>A 22-year old shouldn&#x27;t have to fret about not having enough public repositories or not having contributed enough to open-source. I&#x27;d expect any craftsman to start producing their best work well into their career, and not at the start of it.
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SubiculumCode超过 8 年前
The core problem are grant procedures. Universities get a 20%+ cut of grants a professor eecieved. Therefore they wants professors who receive lots of grants. Grant awarders are judged on their ability to choose applicants that create value using those funds. An easy metric is papers produced. And those who publish lots of papers in the past is a good predictor of future production. So these are the applicants that get funded.<p>Another problem is the lack of funds for professor positions relative to the number of trained applicants. With so many qualified academics, departments have to use some metric to base decisions, and publications is more measurable (grant $$$) than scientific value.
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Odenwaelder超过 8 年前
He is probably right. The current academic environment is terrible and drives talented young researchers out of basic research. But still, it delivers. The question for me is, does it deliver more, less or the same amount of knowledge than during Higgs&#x27;s time?
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dschuetz超过 8 年前
I ditched my academics career and went into public service. I expected to do actual science, instead I ended up studying bad papers which cost huge piles of money. I feel sorry for the naive and the burnt-out young academics. Potential wasted all the way.
DrNuke超过 8 年前
A strong will is needed to do research in the dark, you are going to sacrifice a lot and as an outsider you will almost always be looked down, very often rightly so (because you miss the day-to-day peer review that at the very least avoids you methodological or execution mistakes).
guelo超过 8 年前
It was cruel and unusual punishment by whoever it was that recommended that a scientist who doesn&#x27;t watch television should watch that awful scientist insulting sitcom.
partycoder超过 8 年前
The problem is that universities and journals are ranked.<p>Rankings are based, in part, on metrics related to publications and citations and that&#x27;s the utility function they try to optimize.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Publish_or_perish" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Publish_or_perish</a>
transposed超过 8 年前
&quot;He has never been tempted to buy a television, but was persuaded to watch The Big Bang Theory last year, and said he wasn&#x27;t impressed.&quot;<p>... [<i>choppy panted laughter</i>]
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throwwit超过 8 年前
Eventually, the biggest consequence of a focus on incremental advancements may be that there will be no more &#x27;Einsteins&#x27; or Higgses in a role-model sense.
agumonkey超过 8 年前
A sign of the higher freq &#x2F; lower amplitude of todays era ?