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Why Your Excellent Conference Talk Was Rejected

251 点作者 promptworks超过 8 年前

29 条评论

mivok超过 8 年前
A lot of the comments here are complaining about the last point in the article (the n00b), asking how on earth you get started if you have to have presented before in order to present. The article is telling you exactly how to do that:<p>- Speak at local user group meetings. Most of my local meet ups are constantly calling for speakers, and it&#x27;s an excellent way to get practice at presenting in a lower stress environment. It&#x27;s not always small audiences either, I&#x27;ve seen and given talks with 50 or more attendees at a local meet up. As for getting accepted, organizers are always in need of talks, and organizers are not getting 6 submissions per month, they&#x27;re usually lucky if they can fill every month with a talk, so you&#x27;re much more likely to be accepted.<p>- Maintain a blog. Writing articles on your blog is practice for writing a talk, and gives you a steady stream of ideas that can be turned into a presentation fairly easily.<p>I&#x27;m going to add a couple more:<p>- Give a lightning talk at conferences you attend. As well as giving you practice, you are also visible to all the attendees, including people who will be selecting talks at future conferences you submit to.<p>- Submit to smaller, more focused or more local conferences. You can&#x27;t expect to be accepted at huge popular conferences speaking in front of hundreds of people on your first try. Submitting to more focused conferences gives you a better chance of being accepted.<p>These steps aren&#x27;t going to make it so that you&#x27;re immediately accepted at large conferences, but they give you the start the article is claiming you need. And finally, if you&#x27;re rejected, don&#x27;t give up. Conferences do take chances on new speakers (although probably not all new speakers who submit a talk), and being rejected doesn&#x27;t mean your talk is bad, or that your skills are bad, just that you didn&#x27;t get it this time.
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edthrowaway超过 8 年前
There&#x27;s a possible ugly 5th heartbreaker: &quot;we love your topic and experience but you look too old and unhip for our hip frontend conference&quot;.<p>I&#x27;ve been rejected for conferences where every speaker that was accepted looked well under 30. At the least, no one had grey hair.<p>It&#x27;s frustrating to me because the very same conferences are highly vocal about seeking diversity, and do usually end up with some gender diversity (although non-Asian&#x2F;non-White speakers are almost always poorly represented). But there&#x27;s no age diversity: everyone on stage is between 20-30, or else goes to a plastic surgeon and dresses to look that age.
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baby超过 8 年前
Seems like a lot of people don&#x27;t understand the noob part. Let me explain:<p>Imagine you pay a lot of money to attend a conference. And I&#x27;m not even talking about flight+food+hotel as some conferences&#x27; cover are pretty high (blackhat). Now you go in a talk and discover that the speaker is just horrible. The topic might be interesting but you get nothing out of it because the speaker is just bad.<p>Now this is a problem because as an attendant you&#x27;re no happy, and this is the responsibility of the judges of the CFP. They need to work to protect you from these kind of talks.<p>I&#x27;d much tolerate beginners at smaller conferences, or meetups. This is where you can get experience before going to a bigger one. A one that might even give you money and pay for your travel+accommodation.<p>By the way, I think most of you people have no idea how bad talks can be. In more academic conferences, foreign speakers make a big chunk of the talks and some of them can&#x27;t speak english at all. It&#x27;s painful for everyone to sit through that kind of talk. (Note that I&#x27;m a foreigner myself, just saying that some of us are EXTREMELY BAD AT ENGLISH (not going to point fingers).)
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timtadh超过 8 年前
Honestly, applying to speak at industry conferences is a very frustrating experience. I have given lots of talks at my university, I have spoken at local meetups, and at one local free conference where the organizers knew me. Students and other attendees at my talks often tell me that my talks are good. However, trying to break into the &quot;conference&quot; circuit has been difficult as I have never gotten any direct feedback from anywhere I have submitted to and often wonder if they read my proposal at all. They sometimes even forget to inform you that your talk has not been accepted! It is a bit ridiculous.<p>In contrast, while I don&#x27;t want to paint a rosy picture of academic conferences, you always get detailed feedback on your paper&#x2F;talk that you submit. It may be biased, it may be frustrating, but at least you can tell that someone at least looked at your paper&#x2F;talk and gave you some feedback. Industry conferences never do this.
carsongross超过 8 年前
Heartbreaker #6 - The Your Company Did Not Sponsor This Conference Topic<p>Heartbreaker #7 - The You Don&#x27;t Have Any Personal Contacts on The Conference Circuit And Aren&#x27;t Particularly Attractive Or Personable Topic<p>Heartbreaker #8 – The intercooler.js You Are All Doing It Wrong And You Should Feel Bad Topic
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BJBBB超过 8 年前
Have done reviews for IEEE, APEC, and ACM stuff. There can be many reasons that a presentation is not accepted. Some rejects are a simple instance of subject matter not matching the scope of the symposium. Or there can be some problems with the math and other technical issues. Another unfortunate and not uncomman issue is where the English syntax and&#x2F;or grammar is so poor that the meaning of the proposal is lost. And there can be the occasional submittal that is a bit before its time - it has happened to myself. Example is the IEEE (PSES and other societies) is probably at least 15 years behind the ACM on matters of software safety and test methodology. Members of the ISPCE tech committiee recently approached me about a session on software safety analysis for the 2017 symposium; yet my submittals for similar presentations were rejected at least twice during last 10 years, by this same group of people.<p>So a rejected presentation proposal may not have necessarly been a poor idea. Please do not take rejections personnaly.
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jazzyk超过 8 年前
There is a big elephant in the room here:<p>Most conferences have been converted to strictly money-making entities.<p>Here is how it works:<p>- a RFP is published<p>- you submit<p>- you get a response: &quot;Unfortunately, your proposal did not get accepted, however, we have a limited number of time slots for sponsors. If you become a silver sponsor...&quot; In other words, you can submit any crap, as long as you provide &quot;sponsorship&quot;.<p>This may or may not apply to DevOps Days, I don&#x27;t know enough about it. Also, the above does not invalidate some good points made by the author regarding selecting the right angle of the presentation, etc.
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wirrbel超过 8 年前
Can&#x27;t argue much with these criteria. Yet why &quot;previous presenter experience&quot;? If you are afraid of inexperienced speakers to deliver a boring talk, why Not just give them a 10-15 minute slot?<p>Them, I am reminded that many speakers tour many events with the same talk. I rather like the idea of having fresh speakers on stage over the 4th instance of the very same old talk.
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bcantrill超过 8 年前
Like many here, I totally and vehemently disagree with the fourth reason for rejection (the &quot;n00b&quot;): if someone has a proposal that is worthy of presentation, they should be given the opportunity to present -- regardless of their age or experience. There are many reasons for this, including the most obvious one that if every conference insists on experience, no one will be able to get that experience. But the reasons for not depending on prior presentations run much deeper: if you are going to evaluate a proposal based on the speaker&#x27;s prior presentations, you are tautologically unblinded in your review process. Having an unblinded review process is a grievous mistake: when conferences aren&#x27;t blind in their reviews, they end up confirming their own biases more than selecting the best possible work. (I have always felt this way, but my feelings on this were galvanized by my own experiences inside the sausage factory[1] -- and for the conference that I am currently organizing[2], we are emphatically double blind.)<p>I understand the problem of creating engaging presentations as well as compelling content, but there are ways to achieve this other than being prejudicial. For example, if you want to create an invited talk or two for those whose presentations the program committee particularly likes, great. And if you want to provide presentation coaching for those who you accept who haven&#x27;t presented before, even better. (I have provided this coaching informally in the past, and have found that a little coaching can go a long way.) But a blinded review process must be viewed as a constraint on the problem: to do any less is to deprive ourselves of the new ideas and presenters that provide us our collective vitality!<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.usenix.org&#x2F;conference&#x2F;atc16&#x2F;technical-sessions&#x2F;presentation&#x2F;cantrill" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.usenix.org&#x2F;conference&#x2F;atc16&#x2F;technical-sessions&#x2F;p...</a><p>[2] <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;systemswe.love&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;systemswe.love&#x2F;</a>
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dahart超过 8 年前
I&#x27;ve never been to a conference that didn&#x27;t have a high percentage of first time speakers. In many ways that is what provides the value of a good conference. One of the largest ACM conferences is SIGGRAPH, in which graduate students generally present.<p>As long as there&#x27;s content, and the speakers receive some communication about being prepared, practicing, and ensuring they will meet the time limit, how is there so much worry that it&#x27;s preferable to reject good abstracts than take the risk??<p>On top of that, it seems like risky presenters with good abstracts could easily be given the opportunity to send in a video of them speaking or have a phone call with a conference organizer.<p>Given these things, it&#x27;s seems sad to trivially reject based on inexperience, it hurts the conference more than the applicants, and of course gives the impression the conference cares more about style than substance. I realize that&#x27;s a rash decision making wild generalizations based on a small amount of text... OTOH that is probably how some of those less experienced applicants feel.
DrNuke超过 8 年前
Pretty harsh with the noob, we have all been there in a very distant past, aren&#x27;t we? Just accept the most promising noobs and pack them all into the same session with a navigate chair and a senior speaker ready to rescue every single talk.
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verelo超过 8 年前
How has no one mentioned the gears in the background on this page yet? It&#x27;s a touch distracting, but there is some smart stuff going on to make them line up.<p>Sadly the CSS is optimized, which makes understanding its implementation a little tough, but i suspect it&#x27;d make for fun reading!
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eganist超过 8 年前
&gt; Heartbreaker #4 – The N00b<p>&gt; [...]<p>&gt; This presentation would have been accepted if we had seen speaker talked at local meetup groups, had a recorded presentation we could view, or maintained a blog so that we could foresee of how he would present his ideas and build an argument.<p>Perhaps we were outliers, but @buu700 and I were accepted to BlackHat and DEF CON with no prior speaking experience outside from a dry run of the talk to a single meet-up.<p>One delivery -- and the talk as delivered in both conferences ended up being far different from that specific instance. Now if the article suggests that just doing it once is fine, cool, but if it&#x27;s suggesting a track record of past smaller conferences, I&#x27;m inclined to disagree, as are the reviewers for the largest conferences.<p>It <i>helps,</i> but being bereft of it certainly doesn&#x27;t disqualify you.
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wernerb超过 8 年前
&quot;We found every submission to be of high quality. We will now explain why your talks are actually garden-variety by using landscaping metaphores&quot;<p>Jokes aside. The issues raised are very good, but I can&#x27;t help but think biased to a certain intended crowd. How does the panel(?) stay objective? Are the different views on topics and how to formulate the synopsis (exaggeration) perhaps relevant to a certain type of conference attendee and so deserving of a separate conference track?
jupiter90000超过 8 年前
From the viewpoint of a self-supporting individual (not having someone else foot the bill) who would only be interested in learning about new topics in a field, does anyone here think it is worth hundreds to thousands in cost to attend a conference, and why? Is there anything there one would definitely miss about advances in the field if not attending? Or is it more about (essentially) self-promotion?
pendext超过 8 年前
To add a personal anecdote, I was accepted to speak at a large regional conference as my first speaking gig. I explicitly stated I did not have any previous conference experience. I attribute this partially to having a relatively niche topic.<p>I was lucky enough to give the talk twice at a local user group prior to the conference, which helped with the actual conference talk, I am sure.
brightball超过 8 年前
Just to reinforce the last point regarding blogging and presenting locally, they are 100% correct. I&#x27;ve never actually submitted a talk for a conference but I&#x27;ve been speaking to local programming groups fairly regularly as well as blogging for the last 3-4 years. Regularly is a couple of times per year or slightly more often.<p>I don&#x27;t get paid to do any of it, I just really enjoy talking about this stuff. Through these talks and blogging I&#x27;ve been recruited by 3 different companies to contribute to their company tech blogs and I was invited to speak at a rather large and exclusive conference where I was the only speaker not from a HUGE company on the docket.<p>It happened because I was giving the talk locally, somebody affiliated with the conference drove in from about an hour away to hear it and then stuck around to invite me to speak. I never considered that conferences would recruit but apparently they do.
sakopov超过 8 年前
If you&#x27;re very new to public speaking but dying to give it a shot try submitting an entry to KCDC. It&#x27;s one of the biggest dev conferences in the Midwest and they do accept rookies with very little to no experience from all over the globe. A good friend of mine had his first talk at KCDC a couple of years ago. No blog. No github account. Just a very good topic and a willingness to push limits and share his passion. It&#x27;s also opened up a ton of other opportunities for him.
slantedview超过 8 年前
&gt; Heartbreaker #4 – The N00b<p>Everyone is a n00b at some time. But being a conference n00b doesn&#x27;t mean you&#x27;re not an expert on the subject of your talk, that your content is not original, that you&#x27;re not an excellent speaker, or that your talk would not be excellent. All it means is that you&#x27;re a n00b to public conferences. The wholesale discounting of candidate talks based on such narrow criteria is foolish.
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pimterry超过 8 年前
So many of these articles never cover what &#x27;good&#x27; looks like, only bad. What does their perfect pitch look like? Which abstracts blew them away? What topic surprised them most (in a good way)?<p>Both good and bad examples are important, but articles like this that include only the rejected outlines just feels quite discouraging.
partycoder超过 8 年前
Try to improve your talk by presenting it first in a meetup, get some feedback, and most importantly find the right levels of detail for each part of the presentation.<p>The topics need to also be aligned consistently around a larger theme, that is closed by a concrete conclusion that people can ideally apply in their life.
Roboprog超过 8 年前
It can be difficult to get &quot;hard data&quot; about a topic, as most of us certainly don&#x27;t have that available in our day to day work. The best you can hope for is to find somebody else&#x27;s academic research, and then riff on it in an understandable, enjoyable, manner, I guess.
Murkin超过 8 年前
We ran 2 large conferences and 2 large meetups and about 90% of CFPs get rejected for a simple reason:<p>Everyone are submitting to talk about the exact same subject.<p>&quot;Whats new in Angular2&quot;, &quot;Using Redux&quot;, etc.
gravypod超过 8 年前
&gt; We had several great pitches from people who have never given a talk before; we asked about presentation experience as part of submitting a talk and we did a little googling too. It’s crummy to turn away such a good presentation, but it’s also risky to entrust your conference audience to someone who has never presented before<p>I don&#x27;t care about how a presenter presents their information at a <i>technical</i> conference. If this was a conference for public speaking and entertainment I&#x27;d think it&#x27;s important then.
patja超过 8 年前
I was expecting the noob to be rejected for not knowing how to spell the word &#x27;amateur&#x27; correctly.
robertcope超过 8 年前
So, in order to be a presenter, I must have already been a presenter?
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imron超过 8 年前
I like the spinning cogs in the background.
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saurik超过 8 年前
Before any of the rest of this, I want to say that this is a useful article for people as conferences actually do think like this, but my comment is then to point out that not all conferences do, and that I generally prefer attending ones which don&#x27;t.<p>&gt; The premise is good, but the abstract is so short we have no idea where this is going to go. Even if the speaker were experienced and a known conference superstar, it is hard to give the presenter a speaking slot without more detail.<p>When you go to a performance by a standup comedian, you don&#x27;t read an abstract first: if there is even a title it is probably arbitrary or a gag.<p>When I go to a conference and am choosing to bother going to see a talk, I select talks based on who is speaking, not based on their abstract.<p>In my experience, a good speaker is interesting no matter what they are talking about, and otherwise the talk ends up being disappointing no matter how on point the abstract is to my interests.<p>You might then ask: &quot;but surely the good speaker is capable of making a good abstract?&quot;, but the best talks are also coordinated and topical and <i>deep</i>.<p>The person whose talks I <i>most enjoy and now never miss</i> is essentially incapable of making an abstract ahead of time, as his talk is based on his thoughts and passions at that moment, and are about topics so compelling that after the talk I would have a hard time summarizing it other than &quot;you really should have been there&quot;.<p>You might then ask &quot;but is the speaker actually good if the audience member can&#x27;t summarize the talk?&quot;, and I will claim the exact opposite: if you can replace the talk with a summary of the content and (maybe) the slides, you should not be wasting anyone&#x27;s time with a talk.<p>This is something both many conferences and many attendees fundamentally seem to not &quot;get&quot;: they ask for peoples&#x27; slides, as if they have meaning. One may as well ask for a photograph of the empty sets for a play they missed instead of a video of the performance, that is how much content you can recover from the slides and abstract of a good talk.<p>&gt; It’s crummy to turn away such a good presentation, but it’s also risky to entrust your conference audience to someone who has never presented before.<p>But this is also how you get extremely loyal speakers who will speak at your conference for free while refusing to even bother speaking at other venues. It is also how you manage to show your audience &quot;something new&quot; instead of &quot;the same old people that every conference gets to speak as they are the safe bet &#x2F; known quantity&quot;.<p>The absolute best regular conference I go to, by <i>far</i>, gets all of this: the couple that runs 360|iDev works with new speakers to hone ideas (many speakers I have talked to are incredibly grateful to this conference for giving them &quot;their break&quot;), but doesn&#x27;t even bother with an approval process for <i>known good</i> speakers, and they then aren&#x27;t afraid to have sessions at their conference with neither a title nor an abstract, just a name, a bio, and a &quot;placeholder&quot; title and abstract that are devoid of content. It is seriously the only conference where I really find myself interested to bother attending any of the talks past &quot;I guess I absolutely need to try to see this so I can talk about it with other people tonight <i>sigh</i>&quot;.<p>Expanding into the category of atypical conferences, XOXO takes the cake, but it is half-festival, was never sure if it was anything more than a temporary concept, and doesn&#x27;t really have a &quot;topic&quot; that is easy to describe. But, the Andy&#x27;s hand-nurture first-time speakers based on core attendees and prior speakers &quot;nominating&quot; people they really want to see give talks, many of whom are artists or bloggers who might even &quot;perform&quot; in various ways but have never given a talk. The schedule has names and bios, but not a single title or abstract.
jsprogrammer超过 8 年前
&gt;submissions were uniformly good<p>&gt;&lt;list of different reasons some submissions were not good [and in one case, <i>you</i> would have been picked if not for this not good quality]&gt;<p>please.<p>What are the chances this submission was brigaded to the top^ spot?<p>^<a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;hnrankings.info&#x2F;12725337&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;hnrankings.info&#x2F;12725337&#x2F;</a>
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