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All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

1493 点作者 impish19超过 8 年前

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hipshaker超过 8 年前
Isn&#x27;t this hackernews??<p>So many &quot;but what if this and that and this...&quot; &amp; &quot;and yeah let&#x27;s see if it can handle X &amp; Y&quot;<p>This is the iPhone 1 of self-driving cars! That&#x27;s akin to saying Apple should have waited to release their phone until iPhone 7 &quot;because of this &amp; that &amp; this...&quot;<p>Don&#x27;t we have to start <i>somewhere</i>?? Aren&#x27;t there supposed to be a big user base here who understands that it&#x27;s an evolutionary process - we build the plane before we build the rocket before we shoot people into space?<p><i>Oviously</i> the perfect self-driving car is still some way off, but I for one am thrilled this race is on!
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luma超过 8 年前
I think what people are missing here is an understanding of how these systems are tested and deployed at scale. While I have no involvement with Tesla I do have first-hand knowledge of similar programs at tier 1 automotive suppliers.<p>The suppliers provide (or are looking to provide) an electronics suite to car manufacturers. The car manufacturers want the system to be safe lest they be sued out of existence. One part of that will include contractual requirements for the system to have clocked n-kilometers on the highway in full (or partial) operation. For example, one project had a requirement for car(s) with full sensor data recording and partial automation enabled for 1 million kms.<p>The automotive suppliers will outfit a handful of, say 2019 model year test cars with the proposed sensors in the correct place and drive them around roads and highways in the specified conditions. Outfitting the cars can be expensive with prototype hardware, collecting the resulting data is a pain, and as a result the suppliers I&#x27;m familiar with run a (relatively) small number of cars for a lot of miles to record all that data.<p>The point of all this is to collect sensor data for resimulation as models are developed and trained. If an exceptional event occurs, they can modify the driving model, then &quot;replay&quot; the new model against all prior collected data to make sure the change doesn&#x27;t do something unexpected elsewhere.<p>This process takes a lot of time (years) to pursue in this manner. What Tesla is doing is deploying the hardware in the field, then using the deployed systems to collect data to be used for the development of the automation platform. Instead of a couple of test mules they can use every single car they sell and let you drive it around for them while they record the results. Data collection that would take years can happen in weeks. This is a brilliant shortcut to the process and it puts them a couple years in front of the competition.
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Animats超过 8 年前
More cameras. Better sonars (very short range). Better radar processing, but apparently the same old single radar at bumper height. Still no windshield-height radar. No radar scanning in elevation. No LIDAR.<p>That&#x27;s a better, but still weak sensor suite. It&#x27;s probably enough for freeway driving under good conditions. It&#x27;s far below Google&#x27;s sensor suite. Or Volvo&#x27;s.<p>Now they just have to write software smart enough to not plow into stationary vehicles on the shoulder. There are videos of three separate Tesla crashes where the Tesla plowed into a vehicle partially blocking a lane.<p>There have been several announcements of low-cost solid-state LIDAR units for automotive. Quantergy announced last year, but didn&#x27;t ship.[1] Innoviz announced this year to ship in 2018.[2] Advanced Scientific Concepts can&#x27;t get their costs down.[3] (They have a great unit that costs $100K; the Dragon spacecraft uses it during docking.) Those are all-solid-state devices. There are also some companies trying to use MEMS mirrors, like TV projectors. Eventually somebody will get 3D LIDAR technology working at a low price point, but it hasn&#x27;t happened yet.<p>[1] <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.quanergy.com&#x2F;products&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.quanergy.com&#x2F;products&#x2F;</a> [2] <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;spectrum.ieee.org&#x2F;cars-that-think&#x2F;transportation&#x2F;sensors&#x2F;israeli-stealth-startup-innoviz-promises-100-solidstate-automotive-lidar-by-2018" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;spectrum.ieee.org&#x2F;cars-that-think&#x2F;transportation&#x2F;sens...</a> [3] <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.advancedscientificconcepts.com&#x2F;applications&#x2F;automotive.htm" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.advancedscientificconcepts.com&#x2F;applications&#x2F;autom...</a>
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thesimon超过 8 年前
If you go to the order page of the Model S, it says for the &quot;Full Self-Driving Hardware&quot;:<p>&gt;Please note also that using a self-driving Tesla for car sharing and ride hailing for friends and family is fine, but doing so for revenue purposes will only be permissible on the Tesla Network, details of which will be released next year.<p>Interesting decision.
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simonsarris超过 8 年前
How interesting. So up-coming Tesla drivers temporarily won&#x27;t get fancy features.<p>For a time, new Tesla buyers again become early adopters. But unlike traditional early adopters, who take a trade-off (on price, or features, or polish) for being first, these adopters are promised the features when they are ready.<p>The nay-saying around Tesla is immense, even in these early HN comments. Obviously there&#x27;s some risk here, but man. Tesla is sowing the seeds of the future.
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scraft超过 8 年前
Interesting for two reasons:<p>1. It is a self driving car, it is so clearly the future, I wish it existed now, it is going to be awesome (in my opinion).<p>2. Despite knowing about and following news about driverless cars for a while, there was something surprisingly (to me) compelling about watching the video. It&#x27;s like you get a little taste of the full A to B that it can give you (door to door).<p>Who wants to speculate how long it will be until self-driving cars are common place in the UK? I need to know how long I have to save..!
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11thEarlOfMar超过 8 年前
&gt; Teslas with new hardware will temporarily lack certain features currently available on Teslas with first-generation Autopilot hardware, including some standard safety features such as automatic emergency breaking, collision warning, lane holding and active cruise control.<p>Not sure what to make of this. New buyers are getting less than current owners now, but expected to get much more later?<p>I can&#x27;t think of a precedent for this as a marketing approach in modern consumer products.
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spIrr超过 8 年前
From 00:50 to 01:10, why is the car driving in the left lane, when the right lane is clearly not turning? It&#x27;s strange to see this behaviour as someone living in Germany, where you are supposed to, by default, drive in the right lane if you are not overtaking another car or there is a traffic jam...<p>EDIT: also, did it turn into the wrong lane at 2:25-2:30? is this a security risk?
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bflesch超过 8 年前
Truly impressive. I wonder if the Model 3 will also be fitted out with all the sensors and cameras. If yes, I&#x27;ll definitely get one.<p>As a German citizen, it really bugs me that Volkswagen is incapable of this kind of innovation. I don&#x27;t see their roadmap play out like they plan it, because Tesla might beat them to market hard. I fear German regulation will jump in (again) to help them against Tesla.<p>Currently, the German government gives out electric vehicle subsidies (~5k per car), but it is limited cars less expensive than 60k. At the moment there is very low demand for this subsidy, because everyone who goes EV wants to go Tesla.
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jsherwani超过 8 年前
The video is incredible: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.tesla.com&#x2F;videos&#x2F;full-self-driving-hardware-all-teslas" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.tesla.com&#x2F;videos&#x2F;full-self-driving-hardware-all-...</a>
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hacker_9超过 8 年前
&gt; &quot;The person in the driver seat is only there for legal reasons&quot;<p>&gt; Person gets out and let&#x27;s car park itself<p>But seriously the tech is very impressive. The journey was rather simple though, and didn&#x27;t cover more difficult areas (inner city driving, heavy stop start traffic, roadblocks, road accidents and so on). I hope that Tesla test these things thoroughly because they&#x27;ve already got one death under their belt, it won&#x27;t take many more to put people off completely.
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mparlane超过 8 年前
How sure are they that this hardware revision is going to be what is required? I feel like at any point in time you can make an assumption about the hardware requirements to only discover in future that you could have actually done it with just a software update if the CPU had one more core. They&#x27;d have to be pretty sure this HW rev would meet their future demands for self-driving right ?
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KKKKkkkk1超过 8 年前
The former head of Google&#x27;s self-driving car project has said that self-driving cars are decades into the future.* Even if that&#x27;s too pessimistic, nobody today knows what a self-driving car will look like, what kind of algorithms it will run, and what kind of sensors it will need to get there. I&#x27;m afraid this pronouncement is another sign that Mr. Musk is taking his investors for a ride.<p>* <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;spectrum.ieee.org&#x2F;cars-that-think&#x2F;transportation&#x2F;self-driving&#x2F;google-selfdriving-car-will-be-ready-soon-for-some-in-decades-for-others" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;spectrum.ieee.org&#x2F;cars-that-think&#x2F;transportation&#x2F;self...</a>
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Walkman超过 8 年前
So you buy a &quot;regular&quot; car today which will be automagically converted to a self driving car when all the regulations and software catch up. That&#x27;s pretty cool. You can buy into the future today :D
EA超过 8 年前
Police departments around the country are going to see a loss of revenue. No more rolling through stop signs, illegal lane changes, or speeding tickets.
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dyarosla超过 8 年前
From the car purchase page, it seems that they are charging an additional $13,200 (combining the addons Enhanced Autopilot and Full Self Driving capability at $7,900 and $5,300 respectively) for the full experience:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.tesla.com&#x2F;en_CA&#x2F;models&#x2F;design" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.tesla.com&#x2F;en_CA&#x2F;models&#x2F;design</a>
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ahunt09超过 8 年前
The video was too edited for me to have confidence. There was a moment at about 2:05 where I was interested to see how it handled the termination and merging of the lane -- but then we cut away before that happened. Or at 1:30 when there&#x27;s no big sign post in the median, and then switching to left-rear camera, there we pass one. It&#x27;s a nice narrative on the future, but it&#x27;s far from proof of comprehensive functionality.
S_A_P超过 8 年前
So what do these cars do when the hit a puddle of mud and it covers all the cameras. Will there be a new form of vandalism where someone puts scotch tape over&#x2F;destroys the vehicles cameras and now your fancy autonomous vehicle is rendered incapacitated. Maybe this seems unlikely or ridiculous, but the dependence on cameras at points on the car that seem likely to get dirty and or damaged seems to be a risk to me.
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mentos超过 8 年前
I had hoped to see this technology occur in my lifetime, I said to myself &quot;I hope I live to see the day&quot; a few years ago. Here it is in 2016, obviously its just a highly controlled demo but it has connected the dots. I&#x27;m confident the technology is there and the hardest work will be overcoming legislation and politics.<p>But does anyone else find this bittersweet?<p>I had an awesome moment of pride for what Tesla and Elon have done here. The dream is now reality.<p>Followed by a moment of sadness. The dream is now reality..
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bitL超过 8 年前
All German car manufacturers are now fitting their cars with hidden passive sensors for collecting data related to human driving with the intent to use these data for autonomous driving. Their main problem is the cost of transmission, i.e. they are considering buying mobile networks&#x2F;towers and piggyback on mobile traffic. Then obviously feeding these data to huge datacenters with the projected flow of up to 2MB&#x2F;s from a single car.
mklarmann超过 8 年前
It was already announced before, that the hardware is included. And it was clear, that it is meant to be used for autonomous driving. And as they do not have autonomous driving yet, this is indeed just hot air... How would they know it is completed if there is no demonstration of it actually working?
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stefanv超过 8 年前
I wonder who decided&#x2F;approved the use of a song about death and funeral procession (Paint it Black by The Rolling Stones) in a video about &quot;driving&quot; without hands on public roads...
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amluto超过 8 年前
&gt; To make sense of all of this data, a new onboard computer with more than 40 times the computing power of the previous generation runs the new Tesla-developed neural net for vision, sonar and radar processing software.<p>40 times the performance of a Tegra 3 is not particularly impressive.<p>Also, I sincerely hope that this new faster computer doesn&#x27;t also run a web browser.
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jsingleton超过 8 年前
Direct link: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;player.vimeo.com&#x2F;video&#x2F;188105076" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;player.vimeo.com&#x2F;video&#x2F;188105076</a><p>This is also the video embedded in the main press release (discussion: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=12748863" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=12748863</a>) and this news article: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theguardian.com&#x2F;technology&#x2F;2016&#x2F;oct&#x2F;20&#x2F;tesla-releases-video-of-fully-autonomous-model-x-electric-car" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theguardian.com&#x2F;technology&#x2F;2016&#x2F;oct&#x2F;20&#x2F;tesla-rel...</a>
studentrob超过 8 年前
Is this video sped up to make it seem like the car is more capable?<p>It seems jumpy, and, for the speed at which the car is going and comes to a stop, there is not as much lurching as I would expect.
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marricks超过 8 年前
Quite interesting that while this is happening,<p>&gt; Tesla&#x27;s with new hardware will temporarily lack certain features currently available on Teslas with first-generation Autopilot hardware<p>Which makes sense, as they&#x27;ll be pulling in all that new data from the sensors. I guess people won&#x27;t be too disappointed owning a car that will eventually be able to be fully autonomous!
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JonoBB超过 8 年前
At just after 3.23, when the car is parking, it looks like that rear wheel is going to hit the curb, and then it suddenly cuts away to the next scene.<p>Maybe there was enough turning angle to miss it, but I dunno...it looked pretty close to me.
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bnycum超过 8 年前
I was thinking of this idea the other day when I came to an intersection where a stop sign had been hit. It was now bent in a way that faced the highway that did not have to stop. I was on a highway with no stop signs or lights for miles. What would the self driving car do in that situation? For both sides of the intersection.<p>Then I thought about another intersection by my old house. For years the cross street had to stop for traffic on the main street. One day I went to work, then I came home and it was all the sudden a 4-way stop. No database of stop signs could work either unless it was updated to the minute.
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NegatioN超过 8 年前
So, both Nvidia and Tesla are working on self-driving cars based on the sensory data mainly from cameras mounted on the car, which are then run through X number of RNNs to generate models to operate on? While Google pursues their LIDAR-approach?<p>What other players are operating in this space? And what&#x27;s their approach?
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pyb超过 8 年前
No bad, but it still needs to be taught to keep to the right. Unless this is how people normally drive in the US ?
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Element_超过 8 年前
Will this new neural net and hardware be capable of advanced object detection?<p>For instance if a plastic bag or piece of cardboard rolls across the highway a human driver knows it&#x27;s safe to run over without stopping. Would a system like this just see an obstacle via radar and emergency brake?<p>Google has been working on this problem for longer and they have access to the largest image&#x2F;video datasets in the world to train their models. I wonder how google and tesla systems would compare.
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Darthy超过 8 年前
To be safely aware of its surroundings, an autonomous vehicle must have two types of sensors in each direction - this setup is not safe enough.<p>I would also have proof of 10 million kilometers of simulated rides with no accident, and a third party organization not under the control of Tesla who creates some really tough repeatable challenges, both simulated and in the real world, that a vehicle manufacturer has to pass.<p>Challenges should include:<p>- thin wire tensioned over the street.<p>- the combination of super heavy rain with lighting, thick fog and people suddenly running onto the street<p>- passing by a soccer field and ball bounces over the street. Car should stop because it can be reasonably expected that a child will run blindly onto the street after the ball<p>- have obstacles that minimally invade into the minimum clearance outline of the current planned course. Car should plot an alternative course if it is possible or stop. Obstacles should appear in the last moment possible and car should always do the right thing.<p>- proof that the car can always detect street boundaries, any obstacle, and especially humans. It should be 100% correct or side on the safe side every time. At night, in a rain storm with super thick smog and hail. I&#x27;m not joking.<p>These are the minimum limits before any self-driving car should be able to drive on public roads, imho.
mkagenius超过 8 年前
Amazing.<p>It does give a feel of bus&#x2F;train when the owner gets off and the car heads to its next job.<p>I wonder if you need to _buy_ cars when complete autonomous cars start to roll.
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shas3超过 8 年前
This is a sign of the utter commodification of hardware and the possibility that a majority of innovation in the future (with the exception of low-power wearables) lies in the realm of software and algorithms.
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dperfect超过 8 年前
It is quite impressive, but I&#x27;ll honestly have a hard time getting excited about self-driving cars until I see a demo of driving at night in a snow storm (heck, even heavy rain would be nice to see) around road construction, poor signage and faint lines on the road. Believe it or not, those kinds of conditions are fairly common in places outside of California, and until we have self-driving cars that can do really well in those conditions, this is basically just a fun demo in my opinion.<p>I&#x27;m really not trying to downplay the hard work and technical merit of Tesla; sped-up video and opportune edits aside, it is very cool. But I can&#x27;t help but feel that it&#x27;s a bit like showing off (to the world) your shiny new web app that only works in IE with ActiveX installed, only if your name is &quot;demo user&quot;, and only when the planets are in perfect alignment - or in other words, a functional prototype by anyone else&#x27;s standards. It&#x27;s a great achievement, but we&#x27;re certainly not &quot;there&quot; yet - if that&#x27;s what it&#x27;s trying to communicate. And yes, the &quot;Full Self-Driving Hardware&quot; headline certainly seems to suggest that (at least) the hardware is &quot;there&quot; now, and that it&#x27;s only a matter of software iteration to be done.<p>Before you respond with the typical &quot;but those are just nitpicky details&quot; or &quot;this is only v1; v2 will be able to solve those things easily&quot;, let me say this: going from this to a system that can handle challenging road conditions is <i>not</i> just a matter of software iteration. Since poor road conditions threaten the reliability of sensor data itself, we&#x27;re talking about a problem that gets increasingly more difficult. The most sophisticated software in the world can&#x27;t do anything if cameras and sensors are frozen or obstructed, and when signage and lines are lacking, the software must rely on more and more human-like levels of AI inference - not just about driving, but about the complex world in general.
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jasonallen超过 8 年前
When this becomes real, the next question becomes &quot;why own the car&quot;? What&#x27;s the benefit of having it sit in a parking lot for 8 hours until I&#x27;m ready to go home. Seems like the future will become more Uber-like, where I call up rides whenever I want, and don&#x27;t worry about parking, maintenance, etc....
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nateberkopec超过 8 年前
If I was Tesla, I wouldn&#x27;t have sped up the video at all. People are going to think this car drives like a maniac.
revelation超过 8 年前
<i>Teslas with new hardware will temporarily lack certain features currently available on Teslas with first-generation Autopilot hardware, including some standard safety features such as automatic emergency breaking, collision warning, lane holding and active cruise control</i><p>Right, so they are actually announcing that their new cars now have less automation capabilities. I can&#x27;t keep track with all the &quot;autopilot&quot; hardware they have deployed to date, MobilEye, BOSCH Radar, own software hacks, then this completely new one..<p>Not to mention that they have sold thousands of cars with the same Autopilot brand and &quot;fully autonomous soon&quot; messaging that will now likely never get there.
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ajmurmann超过 8 年前
About self driving cars in general: I am very concerned that self driving cars and speed limits are going to be a very annoying issue. I can see them drive way slow in semi-complicated situations annoying all other drivers. There are also many places in the county where it&#x27;s normal and seemingly expected to go 5-10mp&#x2F;h over the speed limit. Of course self driving cars will stay under the posted speed limit. I hope that in the long run we will be able to innovate on how we deal with speed limits especially once the human driven cars are off the road and hopefully illegal. But till then I can see lots of road rage coming from this.
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modeless超过 8 年前
So self-driving will be a standard feature of Model 3, not an option? Pretty cool if they can make it work. I&#x27;m skeptical that the computer (NVIDIA Drive PX 2 perhaps?) will have enough power to do it all without LIDAR.
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grondilu超过 8 年前
I think the most impressive part is the end, when the car looks for a parking spot.
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cs702超过 8 年前
Very impressive...<p>BUT the car was driving itself in ideal conditions, with high visibility in all directions and amidst light traffic.<p>What I&#x27;m really hoping to see is a video of the car driving itself <i>in more dangerous situations</i>, such as in the middle of heavy rain or thick fog that limits visibility, or at night on a dangerous stretch of highway with lots of trailer trucks zooming by, or surrounded by tired angry drivers on a major holiday in a popular route with bumper-to-bumper traffic.<p>When self-driving cars can successfully navigate those and other similarly dangerous scenarios, we will know the technology is ready.
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pauljurczak超过 8 年前
Hardware performance is not a problem for Level 5 autonomy - the software is. If Tesla insists on deploying full self-driving capability in the next couple of years, they will be litigated out of existence. We are a few decades away from autopilot to &quot;understand&quot; what it is doing. Right now it is just parroting the most common scenarios. This may be as good or slightly better than the average driver, but it still will result in many deaths, if deployed in hundreds of thousands of cars. Unless Tesla somehow shields itself from legal liability, it will be sued to oblivion.
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misiti3780超过 8 年前
Does anyone know how many people Tesla employs that are dedicated to working on the self driving software?
shawn-butler超过 8 年前
So, I am buying hardware I can&#x27;t use solely for the purpose of providing data to a for-profit company for free to improve its product for another generation of customers?
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x2f10超过 8 年前
I&#x27;m probably too late to ask, but how do self-driving cars handle 4-way stops? How does it know when it&#x27;s time to go?
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awqrre超过 8 年前
Good thing the car didn&#x27;t take off for a joy ride after dropping off the customer... might have became a legal issue.
RLN超过 8 年前
Looks like Tesla self driving cars &#x27;dry steer&#x27;, something that my driving instructor always told me not to do.
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mrkgnao超过 8 年前
&gt; While this is occurring, Teslas with new hardware will temporarily lack certain features currently available on Teslas with first-generation Autopilot hardware, including some standard safety features such as automatic emergency braking, collision warning, lane holding and active cruise control.<p>Um.
codeulike超过 8 年前
Here&#x27;s the video of it in action, an autonomous drive to the Tesla factory<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.tesla.com&#x2F;videos&#x2F;full-self-driving-hardware-all-teslas" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.tesla.com&#x2F;videos&#x2F;full-self-driving-hardware-all-...</a>
sixdimensional超过 8 年前
I feel like this video would have been even more awesome if Elon himself had been the passenger!
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JBiserkov超过 8 年前
Video is well done, the car seems amazing.<p>Offtopic: There seems to be a bug, the video being uploaded twice:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.tesla.com&#x2F;videos&#x2F;full-self-driving-hardware-all-tesla-cars" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.tesla.com&#x2F;videos&#x2F;full-self-driving-hardware-all-...</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.tesla.com&#x2F;videos&#x2F;full-self-driving-hardware-all-teslas" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.tesla.com&#x2F;videos&#x2F;full-self-driving-hardware-all-...</a><p>The second one redirects to the first. The first contains two links to the second, below and on the right &quot;Next video&quot;. I clicked for quite sometime until I figured what was happening.
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tn_超过 8 年前
This is very awesome and just one more step in moving towards a completely automated world. Everyone&#x27;s commutes everyday is just a gold-mine of mostly unused data-points. There are solutions out there right now like Waze &#x2F; Google Maps that&#x27;ll redirect users around accidents. Can you imagine how crazy it&#x27;ll be when our roads become even smarter based on individual users. For example, if there are people who &quot;logged-in&quot; to a road that enjoy driving faster, then this self-aware driving car can go in the lanes that avoid certain dangerous users.
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amenghra超过 8 年前
I wonder how they balance their development process for the algorithms with the upgraded sensors vs the code that runs with older sensors as input. Do they maintain two different teams? Back port improvements?
kozak超过 8 年前
They have a pretty interesting description of their radar images: &quot;...because of how strange the world looks in radar. Photons of that wavelength travel easily through fog, dust, rain and snow, but anything metallic looks like a mirror. The radar can see people, but they appear partially translucent. Something made of wood or painted plastic, though opaque to a person, is almost as transparent as glass to radar&quot;.<p>So my question is, where can I find such images? Or can I buy such a radar and tinker with it myself? What wavelength are they speaking about?
nradov超过 8 年前
The Jalopnik review of the video was pretty critical, essentially claiming that the test was done under the best possible conditions and this doesn&#x27;t demonstrate that Tesla is getting any closer to automatic driving on more typical roads. (I don&#x27;t know whether that&#x27;s right or wrong, just thought it was an interesting analysis.)<p><a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;jalopnik.com&#x2F;teslas-proof-video-for-their-self-driving-tech-isnt-ver-1788018454" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;jalopnik.com&#x2F;teslas-proof-video-for-their-self-drivin...</a>
probe超过 8 年前
Can someone speak to Tesla&#x27;s approach of collecting real-world data, and Google&#x27;s approach of &quot;simulating&quot; roads and conditions and running self-driving models on that (so technically their vehicles drive millions of miles on simulated roads).<p>Intuitively Tesla&#x27;s approach makes more sense, but would love to hear someone with domain knowledge on how much of a difference it can actually make (after all, you need quality training data and Tesla may now have to navigate through significant more noise).
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fareesh超过 8 年前
1) If a self-driving car is involved in an accidental death. Is the justice system equipped to effectively hold a trial where information like logs, debugging information, etc. are discussed in court to validate whether or not there is any liability on the part of the manufacturer, considering the car is driving itself?<p>2) What happens in the case of bugs or system-level crashes? What is it about car software that makes it &quot;not broken&quot; compared to the other software we write?
tlb超过 8 年前
*braking (not breaking). You&#x27;d think car company staff would know how to spell a word representing 1&#x2F;2 of the control space of a car.<p>edit: fixed, never mind.
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jsingleton超过 8 年前
Video: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;player.vimeo.com&#x2F;video&#x2F;188105076" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;player.vimeo.com&#x2F;video&#x2F;188105076</a>
hokkos超过 8 年前
I wonder, do they upload all the camera videos taken during driving in grayscale low-res video through 4G to be computed though their neural net at Tesla ? What hardware do they have in the car to process the video, the Jetson TX1 can use up to 6 cameras or 1400 Mpix&#x2F;s, but they probably use low-res output for neural net usage. I wonder what drivers think of their privacy.
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vladimir-y超过 8 年前
When it will be possible to use Tesla having no driving license? So I just get in the car as a passenger, like a taxi, but without a driver.
nodesocket超过 8 年前
Was there an event or video? Seems strange that Elon delayed this announcement from Monday if it&#x27;s just a blog post (press release).
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WhiteOwlLion超过 8 年前
Seems like Tesla is moving forward with much regard for safety nor technical advancement. Disappointed Tesla could back up and park in one motion. It also went too far forward to back up. You don&#x27;t need to that much room. How is it going to handle itself on Market St when it finds a spot but the bus behind it has to go around?
krmboya超过 8 年前
I wonder how this will compare against geohotz&#x27; comma.ai aftermarket self driving kit that he promises to ship by end of year.<p>He calls his company&#x27;s technology level 3, which is more like autopilot, as opposed to level 4, which is a fully autonomous self driving car e.g. Google&#x27;s.<p>Does Tesla aim to eventually have a fully autonomous self driving car?
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tonylemesmer超过 8 年前
&quot;The person in the driver seat is only there for legal reasons&quot; - how do Tesla reconcile this with the &quot;summon&quot; feature? How can they market the summon feature and say the Tesla could find you on the other side of the country unless it has someone in the driving seat touching the steering wheel?
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achou超过 8 年前
Compared to the autopilot I&#x27;ve experienced in my model S, this video shows these features (and probably some more I missed):<p>- following a path from a map instead of following a specific lane of traffic.<p>- turns<p>- recognition of stop signs and light signals<p>- highway onramp and offramp<p>- self-parking that finds its own parking spot and works without driver in the vehicle<p>- better music than I have on my playlist
dyarosla超过 8 年前
Who&#x27;s providing all this hardware? EIGHT surround cameras and TWELVE ultrasonic sensors: Are they building this in house too? If not, that&#x27;s a lot of business to a supplier... all I could find about camera suppliers for Tesla was their former camera (tech?) supplier Mobileye.
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chillingeffect超过 8 年前
It&#x27;s sad how presenting such solid, undeniable evidence results in a downtrend in valuation:<p><a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;finance.yahoo.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;tesla-shares-just-took-dive-140327021.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;finance.yahoo.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;tesla-shares-just-took-dive-14...</a>
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sssilver超过 8 年前
Man I sure hope human-driven vehicles&#x2F;internal combustion engines won&#x27;t be deemed illegal in my lifetime. I still enjoy driving my motorcycle down the road, feeling the engine vibe on my fingertips, and hearing it click click rumble rumble vroom. This video made me worry.
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chx超过 8 年前
My stance is very simple: when I can buy a car in Vancouver, BC without a driver&#x27;s license I will be at the car salon door &#x2F; preorder page &#x2F; whatever, midnight movie release style to buy one and I won&#x27;t ask about the price. Just make it happen, please.
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relics443超过 8 年前
1. I want this!!!! 2. Too much anxiety, I&#x27;ll wait until they have a couple billion more miles
aerovistae超过 8 年前
Some of what they describe sounds like it&#x27;s going to take some real adjustment before it stops being annoying and starts being useful, namely the assumption of what you want when you get in and out.<p>&gt; If you don’t say anything, the car will look at your calendar and take you there as the assumed destination or just home if nothing is on the calendar.<p>Oh boy. If you get in your car, it will just assume it should start driving somewhere more or less immediately? What if you want to sit for a few minutes?<p>I know, I&#x27;m taking them very literally. Just saying, though.<p>&gt; When you arrive at your destination, simply step out at the entrance and your car will enter park seek mode, automatically search for a spot and park itself.<p>Again, what if I&#x27;m unpacking things for the car, or don&#x27;t want the car to go anywhere? I don&#x27;t want to have to pull out my phone and tap on something to stop it rolling away, or jump in front of it or something, or open a door.<p>Hopefully it obeys simple voice commands directed towards it like &quot;wait here for now.&quot;
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Gustomaximus超过 8 年前
Another reason we want better battery life on phones. I can imagine a scenario when your car goes and parks itself and you come looking for it without phone battery. Super cool though. Love how they are challenging such a significant and resourced industry.
andys627超过 8 年前
I&#x27;m curious to see when cities will start changing their zoning for this new reality. The most exciting to me is elimination of parking minimums - these add a lot to the cost of building anything and take up very valuable&#x2F;well located space.
rbf超过 8 年前
I wonder if our Model X that was put in production yesterday will have the new hardware..
geertj超过 8 年前
This does it for me. I have seen the future. Today I will register for a Model 3.
Overtonwindow超过 8 年前
WOW. SIGN. ME. UP! ...if I could only afford a Tesla. That was really impressive.
jsingleton超过 8 年前
The cameras look monochrome from the video. Or is this just editing?<p>If true then I&#x27;m surprised that colour data is not used. You would have to detect a red stop light from just its position rather than it also being red.
jdiez17超过 8 年前
Here&#x27;s a video of their full self-driving system in action: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.tesla.com&#x2F;autopilot&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.tesla.com&#x2F;autopilot&#x2F;</a>
eriknstr超过 8 年前
Direct link to video only: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;player.vimeo.com&#x2F;video&#x2F;188105076" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;player.vimeo.com&#x2F;video&#x2F;188105076</a>
anindha超过 8 年前
At 2m 25s the car on the wrong side of the road.<p><a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;imgur.com&#x2F;a&#x2F;7ZOMi" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;imgur.com&#x2F;a&#x2F;7ZOMi</a>
627467超过 8 年前
Personally I&#x27;m looking forward to how PRIVATE self-driving cars solves hunting for parking problem. It&#x27;s a great social problem to solve.
rocky1138超过 8 年前
What I want to see is a video compilation of all of the cool things it does when it encounters accidents and near-misses.
GeorgeAnka超过 8 年前
It&#x27;s crazy, I can&#x27;t belive that it will be works if will be only autonomous cars. It will be a lot of deadlocs.
codeulike超过 8 年前
These cars are actually robots. In disguise.
chrismealy超过 8 年前
No pedestrians, bikes, ambulances, construction, just dead surburban roads. The perfect car for the zombie apocalypse.
niftich超过 8 年前
Is this a formal model-year revision&#x2F;refresh, or just a midyear &#x27;minor revision&#x27; thing (despite being a major revision?) Are old models retrofittable? Will this hurt the resale value of existing Teslas that have the last generation hardware?<p>Is there an industry-standard (or governmental) safety test that these autonomous systems have to go through to evaluate their efficacy and performance in different scenarios?<p>(edit: clarified the first sentence)
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lai超过 8 年前
Does this mean we get self-driving capabilities without paying more for it as an add-on?
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rocky1138超过 8 年前
How does their autonomous car compare to nvidia&#x27;s?
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sharrs超过 8 年前
Wow this is awesome!
xadhominemx超过 8 年前
Fake video... Page Mill is not backed up onto 280
ghaff超过 8 年前
Tesla may also want to consider better copyediting of press releases: &quot;emergency breaking.&quot; Yeah, it happens. But it looks bad.
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cdelsolar超过 8 年前
Sorry but it absolutely needs LIDAR.
alinspired超过 8 年前
tesla might not be comfortable releasing new software for update hardware in production
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elchief超过 8 年前
Wow, what a bunch of negative nellies on here. I hope you people have mildly unpleasant evenings.<p>Congrats Tesla! That&#x27;s amazing.
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laktak超过 8 年前
How to steal some cars:<p><pre><code> - hack into a car remotely - tell the car to drive to your parking lot - repeat</code></pre>
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tempestn超过 8 年前
&gt; features such as automatic emergency breaking<p>Always an amusing typo. I&#x27;ll take the car without emergency breaking...
nsxwolf超过 8 年前
I&#x27;m going to buy a bunch of Teslas and sit home and watch the money roll in from my own private Uber.
kordless超过 8 年前
Shut up and take my money.
pyabo超过 8 年前
KITT I need you!
wehadfun超过 8 年前
oh shit!
hash-set超过 8 年前
I get that tech companies want self-driving cars really bad because they smell billions of dollars in &quot;disruption&quot; but no matter how good AI gets, I have a suspicion it won&#x27;t actually do better than a decent human driver can do. It&#x27;s not about processing speed, it&#x27;s about experience and reflexes, which granted, not everyone has.<p>Let&#x27;s see a self-driving car win a Formula 1 race--and even that controlled racetrack environment isn&#x27;t the same as the real world! It&#x27;s actually harder to drive on the typical American roadways than it is to be on a track.<p>And yes, I am aware that AI stuff is improving exponentially or whatever, but the more I think about this, the more I think it is mostly a pipe dream to grab headlines and be a &quot;look over here&quot; type distraction for the purposes of raising funding.<p>In terms of safety, people will still lose their lives, they will just die from different kinds of car accidents than the kinds we have now.
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tzakrajs超过 8 年前
The off-ramp scene seemed precarious like a pinball down a bumper lane.
notliketherest超过 8 年前
This is awesome! Talk about a huge training data competitive advantage over Google, GM, Uber, etc
honkhonkpants超过 8 年前
A little skepticism is OK here. I don&#x27;t think cheerleading is helpful. One possible interpretation of this video is Tesla is five years behind Google.
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andrewvijay超过 8 年前
Wow. Just wow. Amazing! Hope it changes everything forever. For a while I thought it was driving way too fast then realized that it was just fast played.
donohoe超过 8 年前
So, lets be clear then, you do not truly own the car.<p>Am reminded of ebook and movie purchases - you&#x27;re only just licensing the item. You own next to nothing.
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thesimon超过 8 年前
&gt;While this is occurring, Teslas with new hardware will temporarily lack certain features currently available on Teslas with first-generation Autopilot hardware, including some standard safety features such as automatic emergency breaking, collision warning, lane holding and active cruise control.<p>But not software and they don&#x27;t even have confidence in their current implementation?<p>It&#x27;s not surprising considering the recent announcements by the regulators, but that&#x27;s quite a step.
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untilHellbanned超过 8 年前
This company&#x27;s self driving cars are gonna have serious problems because their business roadmap is all over the place. This is not just wordplay, I&#x27;m serious.
nchelluri超过 8 年前
Did you see how close the guys hands were to gripping the steering wheel? Obvious he didn&#x27;t trust it completely :)<p>Still, very cool. And the presence of cameras everywhere should help navigate insurance&#x2F;accident stuff everywhere, I&#x27;d hope.
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flexie超过 8 年前
Are the cars going to look like Google&#x27;s and Uber&#x27;s self driving cars, then?<p>I never cared that much about self driving capabilities - I like to drive myself - and I certainly don&#x27;t want to shell out $35,000 for a car with what looks like a food processor or a police emergency light mounted on the rooftop.<p>IMHO, one of the best features of Tesla has been that they actually made EVs look like traditional cars. It might seem trivial, but many of the budding competitors still fail to do just that:<p><a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.autoblog.com&#x2F;2016&#x2F;08&#x2F;17&#x2F;vw-300-mile-ev-paris-auto-show-report&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.autoblog.com&#x2F;2016&#x2F;08&#x2F;17&#x2F;vw-300-mile-ev-paris-auto...</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.mercedes-benz.com&#x2F;en&#x2F;mercedes-benz&#x2F;design&#x2F;commercial-vehicles&#x2F;concept-cars-commercial-vehicles&#x2F;generation-eq-electro-look&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.mercedes-benz.com&#x2F;en&#x2F;mercedes-benz&#x2F;design&#x2F;commer...</a>
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