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Peter Thiel Speaks at the National Press Club – Live Stream

116 点作者 cjdrake超过 8 年前

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cconroy超过 8 年前
It would be interesting to get a list of thoughtful people supporting Trump. So far I have:<p>- Peter Thiel<p>- Scott Adams<p>- Nassim Taleb??<p>Who else?<p>Most thoughtful people I follow pick against Trump and more or less believe he is a threat to the Republic. I tend to agree with them mainly because of his attitude toward the press (even though I agree they are biased against him) and his proclivity to violent rhetoric.<p>Edited: formatting<p>Edit: I also want to clarify the biasedness of media was based on Wikileaks coverage and the [0]social media blackout after the Comey&#x27;s letter to congress. I acknowledge their coverage of him probably helped him.<p>Edit: It is possible Taleb does not support DT, there is no direct evidence of this. I added &#x27;??&#x27; to him. See this comment <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=12838352" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=12838352</a><p>[0] <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.zerohedge.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;2016-10-29&#x2F;social-media-blackout-fbi-emails-are-not-trending-twitter-facebook-buzzfeed-or-snapc" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.zerohedge.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;2016-10-29&#x2F;social-media-blacko...</a>
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cylinder超过 8 年前
Really appreciated how he espoused how Boomers&#x27; optimism borne out of an exceptionally easy and comfortable life has been dangerous for the country. I&#x27;ve long felt the same about American optimism, but have been happy to see that it&#x27;s become much more mainstream to admit America needs a managed decline of its empire this year thanks to Trump and Sanders. Boomers have pushed the American culture of blind optimism into a reality distortion field which draws the country into various bubbles: stock market bubble, housing bubble, war bubble, etc.<p>Also enjoyed his statement that America needs to be a &quot;normal country again.&quot; I have been trying to convey this sentiment due to my understanding of other countries. Most Americans probably don&#x27;t understand how abnormal the US and its government are in many ways. He says, a &quot;normal country doesn&#x27;t run a $500 billion trade deficit, intentionally run a broken government, five simultaneous wars.&quot;
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jonathanstrange超过 8 年前
I cannot take anyone seriously who calls himself a libertarian. For Christ&#x27;s sake, learn something about the various traditions of right- and left-wing libertarianism, study the basics of anarchism (e.g. Stirner), and read some Adam Smith.<p>Libertarianism is either mislabeled right-wing liberalism, which has a long-standing tradition, or it turns out to be no more than a fairly inconsistent mix of classical liberal and anarchist ideas peppered with some generic right-wing gun-nuttery and diffuse anti-government sentiment. You know, in the end somebody has to pay for the military, police, firemen, ambulances, roads, drinking water, sanitation, food safety, consumer safety (like not getting electrocuted by your vacuum cleaner), schools, hospitals, ...
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cm2012超过 8 年前
He said earlier that people are tried of being lied to by politicians. Meanwhile, only 30% of statements DJT makes are in any way true: <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.politifact.com&#x2F;personalities&#x2F;donald-trump&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.politifact.com&#x2F;personalities&#x2F;donald-trump&#x2F;</a>
louprado超过 8 年前
PT clarifies that the &quot;Wall&quot; DJT wants to build shouldn&#x27;t be taken literally. It was just a metaphor (metaphor is my word not PT&#x27;s) for a tougher immigration policy. Wow!<p>Are there really people still capable of holding an idealized model of DJT in their head while dismissing or spinning anything that doesn&#x27;t fit that model ?<p>DJT was my childhood hero so I understand the desire to stay hopeful and avoid thinking. <i>Never meet your heroes</i> feels applicable here.<p>Edit: typos
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gragas超过 8 年前
Well, there seems to be tremendous support behind what he is saying. The chat is exploding.<p>My favorite takeaway so far:<p>[Thiel on Trump] &quot;The media always takes him literally, but never seriously. I think his supporters take him seriously, but never literally.&quot;
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euroclydon超过 8 年前
That was a pretty effective comment Thiel just made: &quot;I think the press never takes Trump seriously, but they do take him literally, whereas his supporters take him seriously, but not always literally.&quot;
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kafkaesq超过 8 年前
Per HN&#x27;s guidelines, there&#x27;s no reason this post should be flagged. Anything (of genuine public interest) to do with YC&#x27;s accidental poster boy -- Peter Thiel -- is definitely fair game as conversation material.
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pulisse超过 8 年前
<i>If you&#x27;re a single-digit millionaire like Hulk Hogan, you have no effective access to our legal system. It costs too much.</i><p>This is not an intellectually serious speech.
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throwaway274739超过 8 年前
They really ought to be asking some tougher questions. At the end of the day, Trump is a man whose platform consists of removing the rights of large cross sections of the American public (Mexican-Americans, Muslims, women, etc.).<p>Supporting someone like that makes you a supporter of state sanctioned violence against those people and I think every institution -- the media, law enforcement, universities, businesses, etc. -- have a responsibility to denounce this in the strongest possible terms.<p>This is not simply a disagreement on tax policy, it&#x27;s about the fundamental human rights of millions of Americans. To see a supporter of this sort of hate receiving softball media treatment or condoned by respected organizations such as YCombinator is disgusting.
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angry-hacker超过 8 年前
Thiel is an interesting character but not the best speaker. I wonder how comes is she so successful despite looking not very convincing, neither dominative and confident person.<p>When the (boring) interviewer asked about the Gawker sex tape, he was literally sweating and looking for water with his shaking hands.<p>A bit disappointing talk, nothing too interesting. Basically, he says media takes Trump literally. Gawker&#x27;s case has nothing to do with the first amendment and he talks about the case from a very personal perspective -- destroyed lives, mobs attacking people -- doesn&#x27;t really answer from the law point of view.<p>Other answers were kind of dull, it&#x27;s difficult to understand his ideas. But I still feel like I would like to hear more. Maybe a better interviewer could open him up.
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uola超过 8 年前
Sort of expected a better interview when I heard &quot;The National Press Club&quot;. This is mostly &quot;What do you think about x? I think this and that&quot; read from notes.
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tim333超过 8 年前
I just listened to Theil&#x27;s argument for supporting Trump, roughly that there are problems in America - soaring health and education costs, stagnant incomes for many, excessive debt, financial bubbles, too many wars and denial of the above by politicians, which is fair enough.<p>He then suggests Trump has the correct policy to deal with this by restricting free trade, reducing wars, avoiding financial bubbles and government denial and returning to the efficient government that built the highways and launched Apollo.<p>The trouble I see with that is that Theil seems a bit over optimistic about Trumps ability to achieve that stuff. If you look at Trump&#x27;s record he tends to leverage up and go bust which is not a good model for efficient governance and bubble avoidance.<p>If you read Trump&#x27;s Gettysburg speech it seems rather unlike Theil&#x27;s picture of him <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.donaldjtrump.com&#x2F;press-releases&#x2F;donald-j.-trump-delivers-groundbreaking-contract-for-the-american-vote1" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.donaldjtrump.com&#x2F;press-releases&#x2F;donald-j.-trump-...</a>
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programminggeek超过 8 年前
He seems like a reasonable guy and his points about how close minded the diversity movement in SV is are interesting.
arcaster超过 8 年前
Currently in class, anyone been capturing the stream? I&#x27;d definitely be interested in an offline version.
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xname2超过 8 年前
The Clinton campaign&#x27;s strategy on Wikileaks is repeating that the emails could be fabricated. However, it is technically almost impossible. The tech community has been mostly silent on this issue. For example, I did not see @paulg twitter on DKIM verification.
misiti3780超过 8 年前
He speaks in a very similar manner as Mark Zuckerberg, that is the first time I noticed this.
rmcfeeley超过 8 年前
Watching now. Pretty surreal<p>Will he end on a positive note or send countless liberal techies to the self-medication cabinet this afternoon??
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whiddershins超过 8 年前
Why is this flagged?
postcarnival超过 8 年前
Is this being censored from the homepage? I&#x27;m surprised I&#x27;m not seeing Peter Thiel&#x27;s speech on the homepage of HN.. seems fishy
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