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One Road Out of Depression

252 点作者 wayofthesamurai超过 8 年前

31 条评论

crispweed超过 8 年前
I experienced some depression, as a teenager, and remember eventually finding a kind of &#x27;logical&#x27; (or perhaps &#x27;philosophical&#x27;) way out of it.<p>A key part of this was that, for me, depression is linked to lack of purpose. So there was this question hanging over me, &#x27;what is the purpose of it all&#x27;. Well the answer to that question was then essentially &#x27;why are you asking?&#x27;.<p>Putting it less glibly, if you are unhappy about your life, and need some purpose, then introspection about your unhappiness (exactly what are you unhappy about?) can be a way to find for yourself a kind of implied purpose.<p>And then, another part of it was the realisation that depression can actually make you more powerful, in some ways. To explain this a bit more, if you find yourself in a state where you are not so much able to be motivated by simple desires, then you are also not constrained by them. So, you are able to do do&#x2F;achieve things that you might not normally be able to do, because you would get bored, for example, or be distracted by the need to do things that make you happy.<p>And I kind of liked the idea, and aesthetic, of &#x27;just getting your head down and moving stolidly forward&#x27;. And, &#x27;if you can&#x27;t find something to do that will make you happy or interested, maybe you are then free to do something that is <i>right</i>&#x27;.
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patrickdavey超过 8 年前
When I got Depressed (capital D, though I was only 4 on a 10 point scale) the hardest part for me was accepting that I needed to take medication, that I couldn&#x27;t WILL myself better (not for want of trying I can tell you).<p>Maybe some people can think themselves better, but if you are properly depressed, and your doctor is suggesting medication, it&#x27;s not failing&#x2F;losing&#x2F;lessening to take the drugs to correct a chemical imbalance. And stay on them until you&#x27;re supposed to come off (not when you begin to feel better), as the last thing you want is to ping-pong between highs &amp; lows.<p>Of course, fix the underlying issue (if there is one) when you can (i.e. see a psychologist and get proper instruction), but you want to get to a stable place first.<p>This is just my comment, a sample size of 1, but if it helps anyone else reading through this, so much the better.
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Briel超过 8 年前
I used to replay the same negative thoughts as well. Here&#x27;s how I broke free:<p>Reframe all your negative thoughts.<p>I used to obsess about past mistakes. Thought: &quot;I wish I didn&#x27;t do that.&quot; Reframe: &quot;If I didn&#x27;t do that, I wouldn&#x27;t have learned that lesson to be the person I am today. Or in the position I am today.&quot;<p>Stop worrying about problems that haven&#x27;t even materialized yet and very likely never will.<p>We waste tons of mental energy worrying about problems that never happen. If you don&#x27;t believe me, make a list of all you worries about near future events. Wait a week and see how many of them actually happen. You&#x27;ll find 99% didn&#x27;t.<p>This one was the hardest to put into practice: be kind to yourself.<p>A lot of people believe that if you stop criticizing yourself, you won&#x27;t learn. You won&#x27;t improve. You&#x27;ll become arrogant.<p>When you criticize yourself, you actually make it even harder to learn from your experiences &#x2F; actions. Why? Because when we feel badly, we&#x27;re not very productive about forming ideas on how to change and putting them into action. Instead, we seek distractions (sometimes really unhealthy ones) to try to make ourselves feel better.<p>When you do something that leads to a negative outcome for you, preventing that negative outcome from happening again is enough motivation to change in of itself. You don&#x27;t need to make yourself feel bad to learn and change.
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costcopizza超过 8 年前
The &quot;chemical imbalance&quot; theory has been losing steam for quite some time.<p>The British Psychological Society has issued this consensus statement: <i>There is actually no evidence for the current view – and we agree with many senior psychiatrists in saying that – we do have an overwhelming amount of evidence that even severe psychiatric breakdown is actually the end result of a complex mix of social and psychological circumstances. People who have suffered things like bereavement, loss, discrimination, poverty, trauma, abuse, domestic violence, in other words things that have happened to you.</i><p>From my experience, and many others, we have a script running in the background of our minds. Nonstop. This script is brutal, telling us we&#x27;re worthless, unable to do this, will always be alone, etc etc. It gets etched in our mind and we become it, and likely impacts all aspects of our brain chemistry. (Depressed patients are often deficient in many key areas Omega 3, Magnesium, Vitamin B, etc)<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.scientificamerican.com&#x2F;article&#x2F;is-depression-just-bad-chemistry&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.scientificamerican.com&#x2F;article&#x2F;is-depression-jus...</a>
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swimorsinka超过 8 年前
Author here. Thanks for all the comments, I&#x27;m surprised to see so much interest here on Hacker News. I figured this would be one of my posts that collected dust.<p>For the record, my way out of this happened to be psychological, but that doesn&#x27;t mean I&#x27;m against medication. It just didn&#x27;t happen to be my experience, so I can&#x27;t comment on it. I try to avoid topics I don&#x27;t know anything about.
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petercooper超过 8 年前
My &quot;road out&quot; was having kids and taking on a <i>lot</i> of responsibility (both family and business). It&#x27;s worked for 7 years now and I&#x27;ve never felt happier and mentally healthy, even if I am super busy and under a lot of pressure :-) I never thought I&#x27;d be the sort of person to thrive on pressure but it turns out I am.
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rickdale超过 8 年前
I am going to suggest something that is not usually suggested. But I have seen it work wonders. Find a place where it is legal, and grow marijuana. If it suits you, smoke it, but ultimately start a garden and grow the plant.<p>People refer to the medicinal values of marijuana, but the one fact that is scientifically proven that is often left out is that having a garden and working in a garden is good for your mental health. That is not speculation.<p>This part is speculation. I believe a marijuana is the perfect plant to grow if you are fighting depression. First off, potentially you can harvest every 60-70 days. That means every single day you have to take care of the plants, but every day they grow significantly. Problems one day are disasters the next and if you can just stick to it every day, there&#x27;s a harvest which can be rewarding monetarily or just intrinsically. If you are really good at it, you will find out that you are actually helping a bunch of people with all sorts of medical conditions. So the reward is comes fast, and then you can start again! Also, one more point, the grow lights can be another form of light therapy.<p>I have journaled about this stuff in the past, this is just a brief overview of my feelings of the hidden benefits of cannabis. Like the title states, this is just <i>One Road</i> and often the one less traveled...
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alexashka超过 8 年前
Cliff notes: guy raised in a family of over-achievers, worked himself to the bone while never taking the time to grow up emotionally, hoping achievement would fill the gap.<p>It didn&#x27;t, he had to face that fact and now that he&#x27;s let go of the false hopes of success fixing his life - he&#x27;s slowly but surely getting his shit together and is very glad to be doing so.<p>Perhaps the one thing missing from this article is how common this is - I see it all the time, in all walks of life. You have to address whatever is really bothering you, sooner or later. The more you put it off and try to band-aid it, the harder it will be later on.<p>A quote that I really liked related to this is - a year from now, you&#x27;ll wish you had started today.<p>That resonated with me.
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upstarter超过 8 年前
I was able to drop anti-depressants with 1 super-well-prepared LSD experience in nature. Since then, I do meditation daily, up to 1.5 hours at most (Jon Kabat-Zinn&#x27;s mindful meditation method). Plus, I redo LSD once every 6 months. This worked extremely well.<p>The pharma industry hates me for saying that. Not sorry.
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drhayes9超过 8 年前
I finally realized I was depressed when I couldn&#x27;t remember a time I wasn&#x27;t angry. I didn&#x27;t know that constant irritation and low-level anger are <i>also</i> depression symptoms. I remembered trouble sleeping and no energy and sadness, but &quot;anger&quot; was new to me. When I started getting pissed at other drivers and couldn&#x27;t be patient with my son, my wife said, &quot;Are you okay?&quot;<p>I wasn&#x27;t. I was depressed. I started taking medication and I slowly got better. I still had a lot of the mental habits of depression (&quot;How long has it been since I&#x27;ve showered?&quot; and &quot;Why aren&#x27;t I telling my friends what I&#x27;m going through?&quot;) but I worked on those. And I asked for help, from everyone who loved me. And they helped a lot. Who knew! ( =
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rl3超过 8 年前
Trying to work on a startup when your emotional gas tank is on empty is basically a cruel paradox. Doing anything productive is virtually impossible when you&#x27;re consumed with self-hatred.<p>By the same token, starting a startup because you have nothing to lose is generally a terrible idea, because the aforementioned tank is already empty before you even begin. Road trips seldom succeed when you have to push the entire way.<p>While the author didn&#x27;t make the latter mistake per se, his situation sounds more akin to having embarked upon a road trip with a single tank of gas, and no gas stations along the route.
manmal超过 8 年前
There&#x27;s lots of good advice here already - let me add one, for the supplement lovers: Find a good probiotic and run with it for a few months. You might feel some benefits for mood after only a couple days. I&#x27;ve tried a lot of supplements in the last few years (any kind of vitamin, and some broadest-band multivitamins, even methylation stuff like Methyl-B12, Folate, active B6) - but the only ones that really made an impact were probiotics. My favorite probiotics are Mutaflor and Prescript Assist, both costing ~€1 per day - but they are so worth it. Call me a lunatic, but they affect my mood in different ways. Mutaflor makes me grateful for things, and P.A. gives me focus and a sense of purpose in life.
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bjoveski超过 8 年前
cache:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;webcache.googleusercontent.com&#x2F;search?q=cache:BycZQaCJ5pkJ:https:&#x2F;&#x2F;thinkfaster.co&#x2F;2016&#x2F;10&#x2F;one-road-out-of-depression&#x2F;+&amp;cd=1&amp;hl=en&amp;ct=clnk" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;webcache.googleusercontent.com&#x2F;search?q=cache:BycZQa...</a>
at-fates-hands超过 8 年前
My &quot;road out&quot; was pretty severe.<p>I had to move on from my social group who were not healthy (some of my closet friends at the time), I stopped drinking and partying entirely, I started working out, and started to plan out my goals for the next two years.<p>I completely closed ranks on my life - which was a major decision and started from scratch again. Probably the hardest decision I&#x27;ve ever made. Two years of being clinically depressed and I felt like I needed to jump start my life again.<p>It wasn&#x27;t easy, but in the long run it&#x27;s been well worth it.
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usmeteora超过 8 年前
It could be OCD, or it could be the downfall of most young men (many of whom I&#x27;m friends with) when they leave tech companies in bay area to strike out on their own: &quot;for fame and fortune&quot;. Thats your problem.<p>You need to do it because you are passionate about the problem you are trying to solve and genuinely interested in the work you do.<p>You were frustrated with the rest of your life because you were looking for it to supplement your job, because you werent excited about it for the right reasons.<p>It&#x27;s not just a problem with you, so many high level VCs are sick and tired of seeing really smart engineers come up with ideas that clutter the system with another food delivery service or the &quot;next facebook&quot;.<p>When you are aiming for fame and fortune, youre aiming to emulate people who have already come up with original ideas, instead of focusing on your own originality.<p>That&#x27;s why the bay area is filled with so many &quot;me too&quot; ideas while the rest of the world has multi billion dollar low hanging fruit begging to be worked on. Because they exist in neighborhoods that arent cool or hip, that do not resonate fame or fortune, when it is precisely when you leave the things you are trying to emulate that you find what you are looking for.
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drzaiusapelord超过 8 年前
My road out, even though its still rocky as my treatments are not perfect, is getting checked for sleep apnea and getting treated for it. I wonder how many depressed people have an undiagnosed sleep disorder. Its incredible what just one or two nights of poor sleep quality can do to a person, let alone years.
jackhack超过 8 年前
A resource for tech workers struggling with depression:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;forums.osmihelp.org&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;forums.osmihelp.org&#x2F;</a> (the former DevPressed.com ) &quot;We are a non-profit org (just applied for 501c3) that works to improve mental wellness in the tech industry.&quot;
rapjs超过 8 年前
Great article.<p>Currently fighting to claw out of my own depression.
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thisisforyou超过 8 年前
This article: (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.psychologytoday.com&#x2F;blog&#x2F;the-squeaky-wheel&#x2F;201510&#x2F;the-important-difference-between-sadness-and-depression" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.psychologytoday.com&#x2F;blog&#x2F;the-squeaky-wheel&#x2F;20151...</a>) seems relevant to the posted article, as well as some of the comments here.
pmoriarty超过 8 年前
Nutrition for me has been a big one. I&#x27;ve only very gradually realised the enormous impact my diet has had on my mood and cognition in general.<p>Sure, I&#x27;ve heard a million times before that a good diet, sleep[1], and exercise[2] have a great impact on one&#x27;s mood and brain function. And if I was ever challenged on it, I would have said that I believed it. But I never <i>acted</i> like I believed in it, until I actually started to change and improve each of these areas and felt the impact for myself.<p>So for anyone suffering depression (or other mental&#x2F;cognitive issues), I strongly recommend you take a very thorough and serious look at what you&#x27;re eating, and consider the possibility that you might be deficient in some nutrients that are good for you or maybe getting too many that are bad for you.<p>Nutritional advice is unfortunately all over the place, and it&#x27;s very difficult to find any kind of consensus on what&#x27;s actually good and what&#x27;s bad. Fortunately, you can simply experiment on yourself, and try various things that are widely regarded as &quot;healthy&quot; and see how they affect you (just thoroughly do your research first and <i>be safe</i>!).<p>Doing this does take motivation, something very depressed people don&#x27;t tend to have much of. So in whatever way works for you, you have to first get motivated enough to seriously want to make a change and do the hard work it takes to get there. Perhaps that way is medication[3] or therapy[4]. Once you have the real motivation to change, the really hard work begins.<p>In my case, all my life I had verious allergies which kept me from eating certain foods which I later found out were really critical for brain function. In addition, I was a really picky eater, and didn&#x27;t like to eat a lot of food which was good for me. That made it worse. Even worse yet, I didn&#x27;t take my diet seriously, and ate lots of things which I knew were bad for me and on top of that didn&#x27;t have a very varied diet.<p>All of that eventually caught up to me, and I suffered from a variety of medical conditions which I&#x27;m discovering are diet-related. I&#x27;m slowly making positive changes and am seeing impressive results. I&#x27;m still nowhere near where I want to be with my mental and physical health. But both are improving and I&#x27;ve finally gotten interested in diet and nutrition, investigating them, and am taking them seriously.<p>Thanks to improvements in nutrition, my mood has improved a lot, I am more motivated, and have a lot more energy than I used to. My physical health is improving also. As I eat more nutritiously, I hope to see even more benefits in the long run.<p>Some other tips which, I think, have saved my life over the years:<p>The most important one is the ability to gain perspective. A lot of depressed people tend to get stuck in a sort of tunnel vision and magnify their problems all out of proportion, thinking that theirs are the most important, only, and worst problems in the world. I believe my study of philosophy, psychology, religion, history, my experience in living abroad, and interest in the fate, outlook and suffering of others has repeatedly helped me to realize that my problems really aren&#x27;t so bad when compared to those of a lot of other people throughout the world and through history. Over and over again I&#x27;ve seen that it can always be worse, and in many ways even in my worst and darkest days, I&#x27;m very, very fortunate. At the same time I recognize that my pain is real, and can be very severe. But it will end. This leads to the next point.<p>Over the decades of my life, I&#x27;ve had many run-ins with depression. When I was young, it often felt like there was no light at the end of the tunnel, that the depression would never end, and that there was no way out. But eventually it did get better. This cycle has repeated many times for me now, but now I have evidence from my own experience that it always gets better. Time does heal all wounds. So now when I get depressed, I try to remind myself of that and try to keep perspective. I try to just make it to the next day.<p>I&#x27;ve found that meditation helps. It can help with mental and physical pain, and sometimes helps me to break out of of a cycle of feeling sorry for myself and dwelling on the past. But at the same time, I don&#x27;t believe it nor any of the other techniques here are a complete answer, as they can be a way of avoiding dealing with important issues, which should be dealt with in therapy.<p>Journaling helps. I&#x27;ve often felt a lot of relief by writing down what I&#x27;ve been feeling or thinking -- things that I had a hard time admitting to others. More recently, I&#x27;ve started using a portable voice recorder to just talk in to about the things that are on my mind, and do so much faster and more freely than I can write. That&#x27;s helped a lot.<p>There was a time when I was in therapy that I kept a dream journal, and analysed my dreams with the help of the therapist. I can definitely recommend that as a way of gaining insight in to one&#x27;s own mind.[5]<p>Talking with someone on a crisis hotline can help, but shouldn&#x27;t be used as a substitute for therapy.. more as an emergency measure. On the other hand, if you&#x27;re not in therapy and have no one to talk to, it can definitely be a lot better than nothing.<p>Also, I try not to dwell on the past, and rather look to the future. I try to learn the lessons that are there to learn from the past, and then move on. Looking to the past with the aid of a therapist, however, can be very constructive, and I consider that to be quite different and a lot better than simply going in an endless loop over the same events in the past on your own, without making progress and without learning anything. It&#x27;s that latter, unconstructive type of dwelling on the past that I try to avoid.<p>I try to be happy with myself, enjoy my own company, spend a lot of time pursuing my own interests, and seeking out new ones. This helps to deal with boredom, low self esteem, and loneliness, which have at times been major contributing factors to my depression.<p>Helping others can be a great way to get out of your own problems, to recognize how bad others have it, to feel solidarity with them, and to feel positive about making a difference and being needed. I can definitely recommend volunteering as a way to help oneself feel better in all sorts of ways.<p>Finally, what&#x27;s helped me a lot is to keep busy with something (like work and&#x2F;or hobbies). I don&#x27;t think this is ultimately super constructive, especially if you keep busy at the cost of introspection and really facing your demons and dealing with aspects of your life you really have to deal with. But it can very effectively keep depression at bay -- at least it has done so repeatedly for me.. until I burn out and am forced to take a reassessment of my life and deal with the issues I&#x27;ve been putting off. So I only reluctantly mention it here. The best, I think, is to keep busy with something that&#x27;s really fulfilling and is really in line with your highest ethics, goals, and motivations. I haven&#x27;t found my way to that yet.<p>[1] - Sleep is super important, and I try to get as much as possible because I instantly see the effect on my mood and my mind when I get little or bad quality sleep for a long time. Getting enough sleep (ideally about 10 hours for me) is very difficult when working in tech, at most jobs, and I see sleep deprivation as one of the major downsides of working in this profession.<p>[2] - I&#x27;ve experienced great improvement in my mood when regularly doing intensive exercise, like strength training and aerobic exercise. Unfortunately, I&#x27;ve not able to make a long-term habit of it. It&#x27;s worked for me in the past, though, and I intend to get back in to it soon.<p>[3] - I generally see antidepressants as emotional bandaids -- they can temporarily stop the bleeding, but won&#x27;t treat the underlying illness. They can also have some very serious side effects. One person I knew had their emotions dulled permanently by antidepressants. Another underwent serious negative personality changes while taking them. There have been many reports of even more serious side effects, including worsening depression and suicide.<p>[4] - I&#x27;m a great believer in therapy. But there&#x27;s no guarantee that any particular therapy or therapist will work. It may be necessary to try a lot of different ones until you find the one that works for you. Effective therapy can also take a lot of motivation and commitment to do the hard work on your part for the therapy to work. A lot of people think that therapy is like having a tooth pulled -- you sit there and the doctor does all the hard work. But that&#x27;s not how it works. <i>You</i> are the one that has to do the hard work. The therapist just facilitates, guides, and helps you along the way.<p>[5] - Whether dreams have significance and what that significance is is controversial. Some people think they are just random or meaningless, just reflect what&#x27;s happened in the day, or are just a way your mind has of processing experience and reinforcing memories, but I think they have a deeper meaning and are a way for the subconscious part of your mind to communicate with the conscious part (a Jungian view). I could write another very long post just on dreams, but I&#x27;ll spare you. If you&#x27;re interested, read up on the Jungian view of dreams, and that&#x27;s close to my view. Jungian therapy in general is the type I prefer, though I have some problems with it -- in particular, I&#x27;m not very big on all the myth stuff. But apart from that, I find it to be the most insightful and beneficial type of therapy for me.
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adamc超过 8 年前
Just wanted to say thanks for this. Was feeling a little down, and this was just the ray of light I needed.
stevens32超过 8 年前
That sense of entitlement really makes it worse - the feeling that things should be better for you but they aren&#x27;t and it wasn&#x27;t even your fault.<p>Rosebush Inside by Sean Hayes helped put things into perspective for me when I was probably very lost.
ilikerashers超过 8 年前
Great piece. Be happy on your own terms, not ycombinators and startup marketing siren songs. The smartest among us are often the most vulnerable.
safini超过 8 年前
I don&#x27;t see any way out :(
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hackaflocka超过 8 年前
When I was unhappy I was always unhappy (eventually). Whether it was by myself or with other people. Smallco or Bigco.<p>IMHO, 5 things are essential. Everything else is secondary:<p>- Sleep &#x2F; resting the body-mind<p>- Exercise &#x2F; moving the body<p>- Meditation &#x2F; moving the mind<p>- Nutrition &#x2F; feeding the body-mind<p>- Access to high quality internet on a high quality computer with a good electricity network
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chenshuiluke超过 8 年前
I honestly couldn&#x27;t finish reading it because the article was so long-winded.
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vocatan超过 8 年前
Looks like we melted it -- or the server got depressed.
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icantdrive55超过 8 年前
My Psychiatrist has been telling me, for over two decades, &quot;All my patients are different.&quot;<p>It&#x27;s one of his better stock answers to questions.<p>I have never been truely suicidial, but I had, I guess, a panic attack in my twenties, and from the next day on I was a nervous emotional mess for years. I tried to go back to a professional school I was in, but just crossing the Richmond bridge was a feat in itself.<p>I knew my life would never be the same. Looking back--I&#x27;m not sure that was a terrible thing?<p>I spent my savings(financial aid, and dirty money) on Therapy. I got introduced to the right Psychiatrist--I think? (Yes--try to avoid drugs if you can.)<p>It&#x27;s ironic he brought up M. Scott Peck&#x27;s Book. The Road Less Traveled. It was required reading in a college speech class. Yea, I think the professor decided to become a Healer? The book has a great first paragraph. Maybe the best I have ever heard.<p>&#x27;Life is difficult--why not work hard in school, or work, and become someone with a great life&#x27;, or something along those lines. Then he goes into the second half of the book, &#x27;If you can&#x27;t disprove the existence of a god, why not embrace religion.&#x27;<p>I read the book, but I was trying my best in life. I was doing the hard work. I was doing what they(society) told me to do. I was young, idealistic, and wired pretty tight. I believed I could do anything, and up to my breakdown, I could. I was one of the more capable persons everwhere I went.<p>Then I busted a gasket. And I was a trembling mess. I needed two 375 ml bottles of wine, just to get through the door of a chitty&#x2F;easy job. I was a dizzy mess all day.<p>I&#x27;ve been in about a year of therapy, been on &gt;10 drugs. Looked into four Psychiatrists faces.<p>What worked? The more addictive drugs helped a bit. Exercise helped. I didn&#x27;t have a problem with a higher power, but that higher power didn&#x27;t help me, even on a Placebo level.<p>The biggest factor in my healing was time.<p>And yes--we don&#x27;t have much time, but it&#x27;s the only thing I can look back on with confidence. I hear about people committing suicide, and I always think they didn&#x27;t give it enough time. And yes, sometimes it&#x27;s years, but Everyone is Different. It might be a few months until you don&#x27;t feel like your in that cloud of misery? It&#x27;s usually just a few weeks though. Mine was unusual according to a professional.<p>I have a theory, and it&#x27;s just geared towards Americans, because I&#x27;ve never been anywhere else.<p>It&#x27;s this:<p>We are so conditioned to be great; we push ourselves too hard. We take on too much stress in our twenties&#x2F;thirties, and the brain which is basically geared(evolutionary) to procreate, and eat--sometimes just breaks down, and we get OCD, depression, anxiety, etc.<p>Most of you will be able to work towards having everything, but some of us will break down.<p>I really don&#x27;t have any advice, other than don&#x27;t beat yourself up. Work, or to school, but don&#x27;t work youself sick. Don&#x27;t try to have everything right out of high school, or college.<p>It&#x27;s just so hard to have everything in life. By the way, most people don&#x27;t have everything. Everyone I know is missing something. There&#x27;s the person with the great job, and can buy anything, but is all alone. And the reverse. We&#x27;re all kinda misserable.<p>My heart goes out to anyone in agony. Just please give it time.
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blahster23213超过 8 年前
Well, I mean, it&#x27;s too late for many. A lot of folks are only a few years away from a heart attack and have nothing to live for.<p>You&#x27;ve let down everyone and your dreams haven&#x27;t come true.
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kidager超过 8 年前
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dangraziano超过 8 年前
This server error is making me a little emotional.
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