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Show HN: Stop the Bullshit

69 点作者 jnotarstefano超过 8 年前

18 条评论

sbuttgereit超过 8 年前
I find it fascinating how paternalistic this whole topic is, and &quot;Stop the Bullshit&quot; is part of this. The goal is not developing independent thinkers, but merely ensuring that blind trust is given to the &quot;enlightened people&quot;.<p>The whole idea behind this sort of filtering and vetting is not about teaching people how better to reason about the world and judging the truth of those that would tell you what is happening and why, but rather it says that most people are incapable of making those types of decisions for themselves and that an informed elite should be in control of what information is available to the plebs. Once you concede this, how far is it before we make &quot;fake news&quot;, or rather unapproved news, simply illegal? How long until news simply becomes propaganda?<p>There absolutely is a problem with &quot;fake news&quot; from all quarters and it is nothing new at all: whether that was &quot;bat boy&quot; at the grocery checkout, the sinking of the Maine, or the news and characterizations during the recent campaign. &quot;Stop the Bullshit&quot; and filtering efforts is not a solution to the problem, merely the creation of new problems such an even less thoughtful populous and a new set of arbiters of the truth that I for one won&#x27;t trust any more that the current ones.
centizen超过 8 年前
Very nice project, I will definitely be using it and will try to contribute in my spare time.<p>One recommendation I&#x27;d have is not to use the word &#x27;safety&#x27; in this context, it feels kind of overprotective. Perhaps the link should read &quot;Take me back to reality&quot; instead?
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allemagne超过 8 年前
There have been a lot of these projects lately. It&#x27;s clever, but I am not close to being convinced that fake news is a problem that we can engineer our way out of.
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mihok超过 8 年前
Interesting project, Is censorship the best coarse of action? Bare with me for a second, would it not be better to somehow overlay a meter or light indicating that this story is likely false. Even better, some sort of indicator that showed the # of sources (if any) and devised some sort of rating of quality&#x2F;truthfulness.<p>I&#x27;m against all the fake news in Facebook et all but if we dont teach people to be good at detecting it we&#x27;re just putting a bandaid over a broken bone so to speak. Am I being overly optimistic of society, that learning how to detect bullshit is better than doing the hard work for them?
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caymanjim超过 8 年前
Does anyone smart enough to install a browser plugin (much less visit GitHub) really need something to identify fake news sites?
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jknoepfler超过 8 年前
To people who believe this kind of project is &quot;paternalistic&quot; or that filtering out noise is somehow weak or irresponsible, I disagree.<p>Time is finite. It is impossible to consume all of the information that is published in the world. It&#x27;s not just a little impossible: the fraction of information that an individual can consume is very near zero. Most people who have worked in an academic or scientific field know that it is impossible to consume even a fraction of the domain-specific publications in their field, much less &quot;all the news that&#x27;s fit to print.&quot;<p>It makes sense, therefore, to have a strategy for selecting a subset of information that one trusts as &quot;worth considering,&quot; which might include a spam filter (just as email has, for good reason).<p>I personally very seldom read news articles shared online, because my experience has been that they are consistently of very low quality. Speaking for myself, I get big world event news from the Economist, which has earned some trust, and the rare nytimes&#x2F;wsj article that is about something it can&#x27;t possibly fuck up (anything outside the borders of the United States is generally beyond NYT&#x2F;WSJ).<p>Would I be wrong for filtering all of the shared news articles from my feed? The only reason I keep them there is that I skim Facebook to get a feel for what people are thinking about and feeling on a given day (to stay slightly &quot;in touch&quot; with people, even if I think they wallow in a world of self-serving garbage information and would be better served by finding something more interesting to occupy their minds).<p>A better criticism of this kind of filtering might that it is intrinsically arrogant, but I don&#x27;t think it is any more paternalistic or irresponsible than a spam filter for email.
CM30超过 8 年前
How is the clustering analysis going to work?<p>Because the current hard coded list of URLs is a start, but it&#x27;s not really a scalable solution to the issue.<p>However, from what I can see in this file:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;jacquerie&#x2F;stop-the-bullshit&#x2F;blob&#x2F;master&#x2F;discriminating-fake-news-from-real-news.ipynb" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;jacquerie&#x2F;stop-the-bullshit&#x2F;blob&#x2F;master&#x2F;d...</a><p>It just seems like it&#x27;s going to compare examples of articles included in the source files, as found here:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;jacquerie&#x2F;stop-the-bullshit&#x2F;tree&#x2F;master&#x2F;data" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;jacquerie&#x2F;stop-the-bullshit&#x2F;tree&#x2F;master&#x2F;d...</a><p>So how is it going to detect the difference between a real or fake piece from this?
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wrongc0ntinent超过 8 年前
While I like the friendly notification&#x2F;explanation, any tool targeting fake news should do a little better in establishing its own credibility. You want to persuade, not block. I&#x27;m not sure the dollar amount is enough. We see it in these very comments: show the user a sample of obvious falsehoods they published. This way you could probably come up with a threshold where you just give up.
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spejson超过 8 年前
I was working on something similar, but with a database that would contain credibility ratings from users and users would rate the website. The extension was supposed to display the rating and ev. warnings on top of the website.<p>Nice project. I may use it :)
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colllectorof超过 8 年前
You need a browser extension for this nowadays? Is the target audience so judgement-impaired that they can&#x27;t, you know, not click on obvious clickbait and think about what they&#x27;re seeing on Facebook?
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chiefalchemist超过 8 年前
Fake news isn&#x27;t the problem. People willing to think critically is. The problem is, no one wants to know their baby is ugly. So the bury their heads in their person echo chamber.
seanwilson超过 8 年前
My feeling is that people with good critical thinking skills wouldn&#x27;t buy into fake news anyway so wouldn&#x27;t need an app to help them and people that buy into fake news don&#x27;t want to improve their critical thinking skills so wouldn&#x27;t use an app to help them either. People like being surrounded by other people that agree with them.<p>Are there any examples of subtle fake news stories? My feeling is they&#x27;re really obvious especially if not being covered by major news sites.
alvil超过 8 年前
Define bullshit.
isuckatcoding超过 8 年前
This will be subjective at some point beyond the BuzzFeeds of the Internet.
invisible超过 8 年前
Nice! I love this idea. What happens when most sites that deliver news have at least some bullshit?
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eloel超过 8 年前
if anyone doesn&#x27;t want to use a clunky browser addon, you can just ask me. Like the author of the app, I too know what is true and what is not and I will guide you on what news is safe for you to read.<p>Please, let me do your thinking for you.
elipsey超过 8 年前
Zoom out one meta level: Show HN: Stop the Stop-the-Bullshit. A Fake Fake News Detector Detector.<p>Wait, but then we would need Stop the Stop the Stop-the-Bullshit.... um... but what if?!!
elihu超过 8 年前
How does it work? Is it just a blacklist?<p>&gt; &quot;Also includes a clustering analysis that could lead to an algorithm to automatically detect Fake News.&quot;<p>This implies that they want to do automatic fake news detection, but aren&#x27;t quite there yet. Is that correct?
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