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Donald Trump could dismantle net neutrality

162 点作者 throwawayIndian超过 8 年前

19 条评论

ci5er超过 8 年前
Well, sure. In theory, he could do anything by fiat within the bounds of established regulatory discretion. Of course, I wouldn&#x27;t worry too much about all of the stuff that &quot;Trump <i>could</i> do&quot; until he gets around to doing it. He talks a lot. And, I suspect he won&#x27;t have time to do all of the stuff that people worry about him <i>potentially</i> doing...<p>As frustratingly slow as congressional action is -- it&#x27;s more resistant to being hand-waved away.<p>The lesson that a lot of anti-Trumpers appear to have taken away from this election is that the electoral college is bad because it lets people who don&#x27;t live on the coasts have a say too. I would prefer that the lesson were: &quot;Gosh! The President has too much power!&quot;
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luso_brazilian超过 8 年前
The part of the Net Neutrality debate that is so often disregarded (and probably the reason conservatives oppose it vehemently) is that it gives FCC (an unelected body of government, part of the executive branch) power to legislate.<p>Not passing judgement or touching the merit of the whole subject but it is a very consistent position of the right in the United States to oppose regulation passed down by unelected officials of the executive branch instead of legislation created and approved by the legislative body through their elected representatives.<p>It is a similar phenomenon to the one occurring in Europe with its maximum exponent being the Brexit process, also motivated in a lot of ways by the perceived interference in the day to day life of the British by regulations passed down by unelected officials of the European Union instead of legislation created and approved by the local legislative bodies through their elected representatives.<p>In America, opposing FCC mandating net neutrality through regulation is akin to other similar rejections of &quot;legislation by the executive&quot;:<p>- DEA or Department of Health legislating controlled substances<p>- FAA legislating personal drones<p>- FCC legislating TV language and obscenity<p>- ATF legislating gun ownership, possession and storage<p>- Treasury Secretary legislating penalties for failure to enroll in government approved healthcare (Obamacare &quot;Tax Penalty&quot;)<p>It is all part of the same phenomenon, people pushing back against what they perceive as a federal overreach in areas that deny people proper representation in contesting the regulations imposed.<p>Trump got elected on that exact platform by the detractors of such overreach and it is only natural that he is going to follow the desire of his electoral constituency.
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Animats超过 8 年前
Probably.<p>Trump has announced two appointments to the FCC, Jeffrey Eisenach and Mark Jamison.[1] Eisenach has a paper arguing that ISP&#x27;s should not be subject to any antitrust regulation.[2] Mark Jameson wants to abolish the FCC.[3] &quot;Telecommunications network providers and ISPs are rarely, if ever, monopolies&quot;, he&#x27;s written.<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theguardian.com&#x2F;technology&#x2F;2016&#x2F;nov&#x2F;22&#x2F;obama-net-neutrality-regulations-under-threat-trump-fcc-appointments" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theguardian.com&#x2F;technology&#x2F;2016&#x2F;nov&#x2F;22&#x2F;obama-net...</a><p>[2] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.aei.org&#x2F;publication&#x2F;broadband-competition-in-the-internet-ecosystem&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.aei.org&#x2F;publication&#x2F;broadband-competition-in-the...</a><p>[3] <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.techpolicydaily.com&#x2F;communications&#x2F;do-we-need-the-fcc&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.techpolicydaily.com&#x2F;communications&#x2F;do-we-need-the...</a>
MichaelBurge超过 8 年前
I don&#x27;t think Trump cares much about net neutrality in particular, but it wouldn&#x27;t surprise me if he abolished or severely cut back the FCC.<p>The big deal to me is mostly the last-mile infrastructure, which is more of a local&#x2F;state issue anyways. If the telecom companies mostly handled the backbone, losing the government enforcement doesn&#x27;t even seem that bad.<p>Regardless of what happens at the federal level, California and New York are completely controlled by Democrats, so HN commenters should find it relatively easy to push through state net neutrality laws. And bigger companies like Netflix can probably bribe the smaller states by promising to set up a call center in Montana or something in exchange for net neutrality laws in that state.<p>Frankly, this current system where an unelected official gets to pick and choose the scope of his agency is a bit silly. I wouldn&#x27;t mind if the whole agency is cut out, if its scope changes so wildly depending on who&#x27;s President.
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ainiriand超过 8 年前
My opinion is that for the Trump supporter this is not a bad thing, per-se. It is going to be masked under some coat of security mixed with a bit of corporate capitalist liberty. And also, a lot of people is going to make a lot of money filtering and analyzing data.
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maxxxxx超过 8 年前
It&#x27;s pretty safe to think that the Republicans will do exactly what corporate lobbyists will them to do. I am not sure what the telcos&#x27; agenda is but this what most likely will happen.
qb45超过 8 年前
&gt; Obama’s attack on the internet is another top down power grab. Net neutrality is the Fairness Doctrine. Will target conservative media.<p>Is this really the best quote out there on Trump&#x27;s intentions regarding NN?<p>To be honest, it looks like he took it for some other kind of regulation altogether and just used it as a pretext to bitch about Obama and censorship. If anything, NN forces all ISPs to &quot;carry&quot; conservative media.
dogma1138超过 8 年前
Will dismantling the legacy also include scaling back the drone and surveillance programmes? Or is Obama&#x27;s legacy is only the good parts?
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cmurf超过 8 年前
Net neutrality involves less regulation and thus less barrier to entry. That government requires IsPs to collect data on usage, and store it for several months is a huge burden and cost to any would be small competitors.<p>The loss of net neutrality just increases walled gardens. And there will be a patch work of exceptions instead of broad neutrality.
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scorown超过 8 年前
The title here and the title of article - completely different.
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jMyles超过 8 年前
The question is (or at least, soon will be) not whether a Trump administration has any particular animus regarding net neutrality, but whether the government will even have sufficient power to substantially dictate the direction of the particulars of the internet at all.<p>And the answer is, with increasing clarity, &quot;no.&quot;
nunez超过 8 年前
This is not for sure. Even the article says so.
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brilliantcode超过 8 年前
One thing for sure, a political leader in a democracy will only cater to the needs of his immediate key holders that run sectors of the country like the economy, military, etc., who in turn will only seek to fulfill the minimum amount of needs of the people that keeps them in power, nothing more nothing less.<p>The difference between a one party state is freedom of speech, human rights, a governing body that keeps the ruling party in check, and that using the military to squelch riots on national television would be political suicide.
pessimizer超过 8 年前
This is a positive thing. It turns out that we can&#x27;t run government by the Executive branch and various agencies just declaring stuff, we actually have to build institutions up legislatively and inform citizens of their purpose in order to create popular support that would punish legislators that don&#x27;t conform to desired norms. Obama should have cleaned house of corporate Democrats voting in the interests of their paymasters, but his elite upbringing and education inculcated an <i>actual belief</i> in the policy suggestions of the self-interested experts and corporate representatives who he considered his peers. We&#x27;ve already seen what an unfettered executive looks in the hands of a moron, and a elite corporate technocrat - how about a madman?<p>That being said, this article is pure propaganda and contains no information. Of course decisions made by agencies can be reversed by the combined efforts of the elected head of state and the legislature. That&#x27;s why we call it a democracy. The Post gives us no reason to think he has strong feelings about this other than<p>&gt; Trump vowed to “eliminate our most intrusive regulations” and “reform the entire regulatory code.”<p>and a single tweet<p>&gt; Obama’s attack on the internet is another top down power grab. Net neutrality is the Fairness Doctrine. Will target conservative media.<p>And to back that up, anonymous sources saying that it&#x27;s unlikely that Trump was lying about something that they haven&#x27;t even made a decent case that he said he would do or even feels strongly about:<p>&gt; &quot;It&#x27;s unlikely Trump was misleading the public, according to policy and business analysts. The new administration, they say, will instead delete from history the Federal Communications Commission&#x27;s unprecedented regulations for Internet providers.&quot;<p><i>10&#x2F;10 anonymous unquoted policy and business analysts agree!</i><p>This entire article is sourced to &quot;analysts&quot; and it&#x27;s about what Trump &quot;could&quot; do. What he could do with the support of Congress doesn&#x27;t need &quot;analysts&quot; it&#x27;s just a point of fact. The random analysts are just to make this sound like news.<p>Here&#x27;s a better headline for the article so everybody will know it&#x27;s shit and not worth clicking on:<p><i>Robert Kaminski, a Telecom Analyst at Capital Alpha Partners Says: &quot;Net Neutrality Has a Big Target On Its Back,&quot; Declines to Explain Further</i><p>edit: This isn&#x27;t fake news, it&#x27;s shit news. I&#x27;m not accusing the Washington Post of being a fake news outlet.
gaius超过 8 年前
Ah, the Washington Post, who gleefully published everything Snowden gave them, then called for him to be jailed. What do they know about net-anything?
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seibelj超过 8 年前
This is an unpopular opinion here, but I think net neutrality is too absolutist. If a company wants to pay to have all the data of an app be free for their users, that&#x27;s great in my opinion. I don&#x27;t want ISP&#x27;s to extort small players or artificially slow down anyone. But if a company wants their video streaming app to be zero-rated by paying all the data costs, that seems like a business decision to me. Some people would rather everyone suffer than letting the market innovate on data plans.
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transfire超过 8 年前
Can&#x27;t wait to buy those &quot;cheap&quot; bundled Internet packages. Wow! Look at everything you&#x27;ll get.<p><a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;i.huffpost.com&#x2F;gen&#x2F;1567010&#x2F;original.jpg" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;i.huffpost.com&#x2F;gen&#x2F;1567010&#x2F;original.jpg</a>
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stcredzero超过 8 年前
<i>The FCC&#x27;s newly passed privacy rules, meanwhile, force Internet providers to give consumers a say in how their most sensitive personal data is used and shared.</i><p>Whenever such issues comes up, I come out and advocate for the use of &quot;Reverse-DRM&quot; -- Instead of big companies using crypto against individuals, individuals should be using such tech to protect themselves against big companies. Often, people will counter by saying that laws are enough. However: &quot;Possession is nine tenths of the law&quot; and &quot;Opportunity makes a thief.&quot; Such laws are necessary, but those would be way easier to enforce and pass in the first place if consumers had some form of lock that companies had to circumvent. This election also shows that laws shouldn&#x27;t be the exclusive protection.<p>It is precisely the asymmetric nature of power between companies and individuals that makes the corporate use of DRM against individuals so horrible, and the individual use of DRM against corporations so potentially beneficial. However, there are so many online who simply knee-jerk against the idea of DRM without thinking about this, it will probably never happen.
dominotw超过 8 年前
Wapo king of fake news[1]. Also, Title edited for maximum click bait.<p>1. <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;original.antiwar.com&#x2F;thomas-knapp&#x2F;2016&#x2F;11&#x2F;20&#x2F;washington-post-vs-fake-news-pot-meet-kettle&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;original.antiwar.com&#x2F;thomas-knapp&#x2F;2016&#x2F;11&#x2F;20&#x2F;washingt...</a>
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