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Amazon Worker Jumps Off Company Building After E-Mail to Staff

401 点作者 jw2013超过 8 年前

26 条评论

Futurebot超过 8 年前
Tyler Cowen has written a lot about this:<p>&quot;Individuals don’t in fact enjoy being evaluated all the time, especially when the results are not always stellar: for most people, one piece of negative feedback outweighs five pieces of positive feedback. To the extent that measurement raises income inequality, perhaps it makes relations among the workers tenser and less friendly. Life under a meritocracy can be a little tough, unfriendly, and discouraging, especially for those whose morale is easily damaged. Privacy in this world will be harder to come by, and perhaps “second chances” will be more difficult to find, given the permanence of electronic data. We may end up favoring “goody two-shoes” personality types who were on the straight and narrow from their earliest years and disfavor those who rebelled at young ages, even if those people might end up being more creative later on.&quot;<p><a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;marginalrevolution.com&#x2F;marginalrevolution&#x2F;2015&#x2F;09&#x2F;the-measured-working-man.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;marginalrevolution.com&#x2F;marginalrevolution&#x2F;2015&#x2F;09&#x2F;the...</a><p>Pervasive employee monitoring and feedback isn&#x27;t costless. Some people will improve, others will get fired&#x2F;quit find a new job, but there will be some who cannot take it at all. If losing a job wasn&#x27;t so punishing economically and status-wise, it would take a lot of, but certainly not all, of the sting away.
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rdtsc超过 8 年前
I was interviewing for AWS, and it was a circus. Completely disorganized. However, I have to say, I enjoyed the parroting back of &quot;the leadership principles&quot; part. It was like being in the Soviet Union again and singing praises to the great party leaders. Very much worth wasting a day over it.<p>However my nephew didn&#x27;t have such a fun time. He was working for one of their warehouses in Kentucky and they were ruthless to the workers like him. They had a snow storm, he got stuck in the snow and instead of being understanding they reprimanded him for it. He liked the pay but couldn&#x27;t take the humiliating treatment, so he quit.
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amzn-336495超过 8 年前
Amazon tries to trap people through control by visas, and they will go so far as to relocate people overseas to Seattle. They have a fucked up system where rank and file get the darwin treatment but management gets the rewards. They will pay bonuses around $250k, $500k, $1 million to senior managers, directors, and VPs respectively to abuse the shit out of employees. The &quot;PIP someone who is trying to get away from their abusive manager&quot; is their oldest trick in their book.<p>Something needs to be done to help people financially who are looking for a way out from the abuse.
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kafkaesq超过 8 年前
<i>The man had recently put in a request to transfer to a different department, but was placed on an employee improvement plan, a step that can lead to termination if performance isn’t improved, said the person, who asked not to be identified discussing company personnel matters.</i><p>PIPs are bullshit, and fundamentally degrading. Just tell people &quot;Maybe it&#x27;s your fault, maybe it&#x27;s our fault - but either way, it&#x27;s not working out&quot;, offer a (truly decent) severance, and move on.<p>(I know, I know, I know: &quot;because laywers.&quot;)
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sssilver超过 8 年前
Following some of the discussion on this thread, I am constantly reminded of a priceless advice I got from a senior friend years ago.<p>When thinking about an employer, above a certain size threshold, never judge a company. Always judge a department. You don&#x27;t work for a company. You work for a department. Above a certain (fairly small) size, the only thing you&#x27;ll share with the employees in the other departments will be the domain name in your email. Everything else will be coincidental.
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u489utaa超过 8 年前
Amazon screws employees in ways unseen in other companies. From the perspective of an engineer, this is a terrible place for people to work and grow. To list a few things:<p>- Equity vesting schedule is 5%, 15%, 40%, 40% over 4 years<p>- Relocation package is prorated for TWO years. If you leave after staying for a full year, you still need to return 50% of it.<p>- 401K matching only vests after working for 3 years. If you leave within 3 years, no matching for you whatsoever.<p>- No tuition reimbursement. Want to get a part-time masters in CS? Pay it yourself! - No catered food. No free soda. No free snacks. If you are hungry, you can eat at one of the shltty cafes.<p>- Obnoxious oncall routines. You are woken up 3:30am waiting for the event to be over. Why not automate things? Because replacing people is cheaper than building great software!<p>This is Amazon&#x27;s mindset TOPDOWN. The root of the problem is that the leadership does NOT care about employees or technology. This is a retailer and a powdered Walmart, what do you expect?!<p>SDE 1 and SDE 2 are simply the slaves working at a sweatshop. Some of my co-workers are hired without onsite interviews. They do some video chat and they are hired at Amazon. They don&#x27;t even know how to write bash scripts. Our team used to have technical program managers who can&#x27;t even write a Python script. With simple things like running a command line tool, he cuts a ticket and let the engineers do it.<p>The managers at Amazon pocket bonuses and don&#x27;t give a damn. They don&#x27;t carry pagers and when they do, they just page lower level employees. The only reason people take offers at Amazon is that they can&#x27;t get better packages from Facebook&#x2F;Google.<p>* I worked at AWS for 2 years.
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outworlder超过 8 年前
&gt; The man had recently put in a request to transfer to a different department, but was placed on an employee improvement plan<p>Having escaped from an abusive manager myself, I can imagine what this person went though. Managers that are skilled in the art are able to inflict pain without leaving much of a paper trail.<p>I did ask for (and got) professional help, including medication. There&#x27;s only so much stress 24&#x2F;7 that you are able to handle before you start to crack. Who knows what would have happened if I just tried to ride it out.<p>I&#x27;d have gone bananas if I had been placed in a PIP instead. This was one of the possibilities identified by my branch predictor, so I was collecting a mountain of evidence against said manager. Thankfully, it wasn&#x27;t needed.<p>(I realize that nowhere in the article it says a manager was the issue, but corporate pattern-matching gets pretty good after a while)
SuperPaintMan超过 8 年前
&gt;The man survived the fall from Amazon’s 12-story Apollo building at about 8:45 a.m. local time Monday and was taken to a Seattle hospital, police said.<p>Aside: That is a testament to the resilience of a body. The physics behind that fall would be astounding to analyze! I come from a long line of suicidal people we&#x27;re not jumpers, but swingers.
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ajkjk超过 8 年前
As has happened before on these threads, every opinion on Amazon is super negative. To balance things out I&#x27;ll chime in to say that I had a highly positive experience working there as an SDE for 3 years, and would estimate that most of my coworkers felt the same way.
madman2890超过 8 年前
268,900. That is the number of employees amazon has. According to this article, we should expect 25.2 suicides out of these employees.
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Tempest1981超过 8 年前
Do they still have the backloaded RSU vesting schedule? Something like 5%, 15%, 40%, 40% (each year)?<p>Does anyone else do this?
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Merovius超过 8 年前
Press code: Don&#x27;t widely report details of suicides, it creates a measurable uptick in simulative acts.<p>Internet: Let&#x27;s get this thing to the Hackernews frontpage!
gtirloni超过 8 年前
Very clever way to write the title and the article itself. You get the impression that 1) he is dead and after reading a bit more that 2) he survived a jump from a 12-story building.<p>From reading other articles, it seems he is alive and jumped from the 4th floor.
Buge超过 8 年前
Not too long ago an Apple employee shot himself in the office.<p><a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.usatoday.com&#x2F;story&#x2F;tech&#x2F;news&#x2F;2016&#x2F;04&#x2F;27&#x2F;body-apple-campus&#x2F;83598174&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.usatoday.com&#x2F;story&#x2F;tech&#x2F;news&#x2F;2016&#x2F;04&#x2F;27&#x2F;body-appl...</a>
msie超过 8 年前
When I was young I quit MS rather than get fired. Looking back, I wonder if I should have just walked away without an exit interview. Perhaps get several more weeks pay. I too suffered under a PIP that proved to be pointless.
bystander876超过 8 年前
I live nearby and was walking by when the EMT and fire department were called.<p>Hats off to those folks. It seemed like no time at all before they showed up and moved very quickly to help the injured man. I was really impressed.
jimmywanger超过 8 年前
It&#x27;s great how this no content article has been turned into a huge Amazon bashing thread that confirms everybody&#x27;s biases against Amazon employment practices.<p>The facts are: a guy put in for a transfer, got put on a performance improvement plan, threatened self-harm, and then jumped off a building.<p>There are no details why he requested a transfer, the reasons he got put on a PIP, and if he was mentally unstable or not, where these fairly common life events would cause him to contemplate self harm.<p>Nope, the pitchforks and the torches come out.
andy超过 8 年前
My thoughts are with this man. I was also put on an employee improvement plan at a company previously.
plandis超过 8 年前
You know what the worst part of my job at Amazon is? That I continually have to read about how terrible I am both on the internet and in real life (your average Seattlite seems to hate Amazon).<p>Just in this thread alone I&#x27;ve been accused of:<p>* Screwing employees over * Being a slave in a sweatshop * Insulted for not being able to use Bash (I can) * Disorganized * Not be trusted to talk about working at Amazon (lol) * Fostering a toxic workplace * A communist (my favorite insult)
khnd超过 8 年前
wow. i wonder if bezos is going to address this.
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auvi超过 8 年前
where can I find the text of the email?
omouse超过 8 年前
Toxic workplace? I think so.
zelias超过 8 年前
Is there a reason the text of the email is unavailable?
wcummings超过 8 年前
The Apollo building looks like an office. Guessing this person was a product person, I don&#x27;t think warehouse workers get the luxury of PIPs and changing teams. They were probably one of us.<p>Pour one out.
pproodd超过 8 年前
So, based on this thread, communism is the answer.
JoeAltmaier超过 8 年前
Amazon-bashing aside, this is an example of why &#x27;safe spaces&#x27; and &#x27;trigger-free zones&#x27; may be a bad idea. Colleges should train students in responding to triggers; exercise their self-control regularly in the face of adversity not stunt it. Somebody jumps instead of walking away, they have priorities drastically miswired.
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