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1247 点作者 mangoman超过 8 年前

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elicash超过 8 年前
I worked at a grocery store for several years, and one thing I recall is customers CONSTANTLY putting items back in a random aisle, rather than where they found it.<p>I wonder how this tech deals with that? Maybe they figured that out, too. But I was amused in the video when I saw the customer putting it back where it belonged, because that&#x27;s not how I remember that going...<p>All that said, this is fantastic and exciting.<p>Edit: I also hope they&#x27;re already thinking about EBT cards and WIC.
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Merad超过 8 年前
I hate it when companies offer a &quot;how this works&quot; section that doesn&#x27;t actually tell you a damned thing about how it works.<p>* How does my Amazon account get associated with the items I take?<p>* How are items detected when leaving the store? If my friend and I walk out side by side, how does it know (if it does) which items are mine and which are hers?<p>* What happens when someone picks up an item and leaves without first doing whatever check-in&#x2F;registration&#x2F;setup is necessary?
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Someone1234超过 8 年前
Companies have been discussing &quot;checkout-less&quot; stores since forever, but nobody has been brave enough to do it due to the perceived threat of shoplifting.<p>And while shoplifting is a legitimate threat, are non-shoplifters going to be turned into shoplifters without a checkout? Are normal shoplifters stopped by checkouts? These are the core questions, and until it is tested nobody will know for sure.<p>Target is getting awfully close to this. With their Cartwheel app you&#x27;re meant to scan all your items as you shop (so it auto-applies coupons and discounts); but they haven&#x27;t taken it to the next logical step and allowed you to provide your Cartwheel output at the checkout for checking out.<p>I will say that the way Target has implemented smartphone barcode scanning makes me think that there might be a future in all this. It is extremely painless, they just need to stop kicking you out of the scan screen when it finds a discount (i.e. it doesn&#x27;t kick you out if no discount is found, but does when a discount IS found, that&#x27;s problematic for efficiency reasons).
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delegate超过 8 年前
Look, I know this might not be a popular view here on HN, but I think this is useless. And bad.<p>I&#x27;m not talking about the technology behind it (I think it&#x27;s an amazing achievement)..<p>I live in Barcelona and I have at least 5 medium-sized supermarkets within 5 minutes walking distance from my home. Plus there are several smaller shops that sell fruits and vegetables.<p>I know all the people who work in these supermarkets. The cashier in the supermarket downstairs always sings a quiet song while she scans my products, she knows my daughter and she&#x27;s always nice and friendly.<p>The cashier in the other store talks to the customers. She stops scanning and starts talking while the line waits. Some customers might join the conversation. I know she has an old cat that eats an unlimited amount of food if allowed to do so...<p>There are similar stories about other shops in the neighbourhood - they come to work, they serve the people in the neighbourhood, they go home. They do this until they retire.<p>These people like their jobs because we respect them for what they do, so they feel useful and they work hard.<p>I don&#x27;t mind waiting in line for 3 minutes. Or 5. It&#x27;s never longer than that, even if the cashier discusses the latest news with the old lady.<p>The humanity of it has value for us here and that value is greater than the time we&#x27;d save by removing the people from the shops.
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vyrotek超过 8 年前
They will most certainly be tracking a lot more than just you picking up your item. The data they collect about shopping behavior will be interesting.<p>Like, how long I hesitated before I picked up something, what I had already in my &quot;cart&quot; at the time, what deals I looked at but passed on, etc.
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nihonde超过 8 年前
This strikes me as yet another over-engineered workaround for a problem with society. In Japan, I rarely wait in line at a grocery store or convenience store. If I do, it&#x27;s a short wait, and my interactions with the staff often brighten my day a little bit.<p>Why is Japan different? For one thing, they use a checkout system that is designed to move lines quickly. Two employees can work concurrently, one ringing up a customer and the other handling money exchange with another customer. Customers do their own bagging in a seperate area. The POS system takes cash in and spits out the correct change, and also handles IC cards, credit cards, Apple Pay, etc seamlessly and usually without requiring anything more than a PIN at most. And of course, customers can prepare exact change or get their cards out and place it on the tray while the cashier is still ringing them up. And the final, most important element is the people--polite, attentive, careful, and professional. Cashiers are trained to call out every item and price, and offer extras such as ice packs for cold items, dry ice for ice cream, utensils for ready to eat items, and so on. A quick, efficient, pleasant interaction that ends with a bow and a gracious thank you goes a long way toward encouraging everyone to treat each other well. And, by the way, the money that would be sunk into Amazon&#x27;s infrastructure and inevitable support services goes to keeping people in jobs.
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helipad超过 8 年前
Technology aside, shoppers are going to feel so weird doing this at the beginning.<p>There&#x27;s already social anxiety when people pay for things and walk past a security guard, or a security barrier. Whether it&#x27;s an airport, or a clothes store, or a ticket barrier, there&#x27;s always a nervousness about being called out.<p>It&#x27;s bad enough in the Apple Store where you can pay and walk out, this will take some real getting used to.
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blackaspen超过 8 年前
Here&#x27;s an ad from IBM circa 2006 predicting(?) this: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=eob532iEpqk" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=eob532iEpqk</a><p>Crazy to think we&#x27;re actually here now. And even sans-RFID.
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spyckie2超过 8 年前
Here&#x27;s my speculation on the technology behind it:<p>Tracking. A lot of tracking.<p>You don&#x27;t need deep learning and car sensor technology to do simple rfid tag pick up&#x2F;drop offs to detect what you have in your cart.<p>No, this technology probably fully tracking your every movement in the store. It may use rfid tags to detect what you have, but that is not the main tech.<p>When you walk in and scan your phone, a camera array will scan you to create a footprint on who you are and link it to your ID. Then your every movement will be tracked by various cameras throughout the store.<p>You walked 3 steps, took a step back and looked at the advertising on the right? We recorded it.<p>You went to the cereal aisle first? Picked up a box of cereal and then put it back in favor of another one? Yup, we recorded it too.<p>If this is indeed the case, then the correctness of what is in your shopping cart is going to be very, very high and there will be no need for an honor system, randomized checks, or other mechanisms to prevent inaccuracies.<p>Shoplifters will probably get away with the first shoplifting but will probably get profiled immediately and unable to do it multiple times.
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patrickg超过 8 年前
Not many comments about privacy. This is how I see it: You are identified when you enter the shop and amazon knows exactly the products you buy.<p>If you have the choice to buy or not to buy at the shop, that&#x27;s fine, it is your decision. But let&#x27;s imagine that in the not so far future, all shops in your neighborhood are like this. No way to go shopping whithout given exact trace of you, your location, the stuff you buy, the time you buy, the amount of food etc.<p>We all know that too much data is not good for us (yes, I am looking at you, my government).<p>While I like the idea of not standing in a line and wait, I really wish that these shops offer a prepaid anonymous card for those who don&#x27;t want to be totally tracked.
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bennettfeely超过 8 年前
What happens when my phone battery runs out while shopping in the store?<p>What happens if I don&#x27;t replace an item in the exact same place I picked it up? I&#x27;m charged for it I assume.<p>How do you purchase produce or vegetables, all these thing need to be packaged individually I assume. So much for concern for the environment...<p>Is the occasional line in a store really worth having your every movement tracked by Amazon and your image taken throughout your time at this store? Sounds like a store straight out of 1984.<p>Are you poor or without &quot;a supported smartphone&quot;? Forget about it.<p>Amazon is a company that tries new things and that&#x27;s good, but here we have yet another example of tech nerds &quot;solving&quot; a problem that doesn&#x27;t exist.
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owenversteeg超过 8 年前
How has nobody mentioned the worry that you&#x27;ll get overcharged? I&#x27;m sure computer vision isn&#x27;t perfect, however close it may be, and once you&#x27;ve left the store (presumably when you&#x27;d check your receipt) there&#x27;s no way to prove you didn&#x27;t take whatever you were charged for. I&#x27;d be pretty worried about accidentally &quot;buying&quot; something I didn&#x27;t actually take, even if that&#x27;s statistically unlikely. (Yeah, I know, it doesn&#x27;t make sense to worry about a 1 in 10,000 event, but people aren&#x27;t rational.)<p>Or, if they decide to side with the consumer and give you your money back, then that opens them up to theft - go in, buy stuff, &quot;oh I didn&#x27;t buy $expensive_item!&quot;, get money.
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jtcond13超过 8 年前
Your periodic reminder that &#x27;retail salesperson&#x27; is the most common job in America (~4.5 million).<p><a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theatlantic.com&#x2F;business&#x2F;archive&#x2F;2013&#x2F;04&#x2F;the-10-most-common-and-10-least-common-jobs-in-america-today&#x2F;274526&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theatlantic.com&#x2F;business&#x2F;archive&#x2F;2013&#x2F;04&#x2F;the-10-m...</a>
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tom_pei超过 8 年前
So it seems that most people assume that this kind of shop is a replacement to major grocery stores. I dont think that this is what their initial customer base is going to be. I see this more inline with &quot;Fresh &amp; Easy&quot; kind of markets where on the go customers can just stop by for a quick bite or a quick pick up of resources like a 7&#x2F;11 or something similar. I can see that they may want to expand to supermarkets but I think this is more addressing the quick easy supermarket market and focusing on easy pickups rather then full fledged supermarkets for all grocery needs. I may have missed something but that would be the most logical and successful way for Amazon to introduce this technology.
excalibur超过 8 年前
What happens when you don&#x27;t have enough money available to Amazon to cover all the things you grabbed? Do they give you a window to return items before banning you from the store and&#x2F;or notifying police?
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JackFr超过 8 年前
What do you do with your children? What about your non-Amazon co workers who came out with you to get lunch? Do they stand on the sidewalk while you shop? Do you swipe them in? Do they get swiped in as guests (who then shoplift cupcakes?)<p>Don&#x27;t get me wrong -- this is exciting and impressive -- but needing to swipe in to enter a store is, I think, a very significant change to how we think of stores as public places.
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MatekCopatek超过 8 年前
When I started reading the description, I thought: &quot;someone finally delivered on that RFID pitch of just walking out of the store&quot;. Was surprised that it&#x27;s actually computer vision.
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halotrope超过 8 年前
So technically they built something to automatically detect shoplifting (but charge to customer in the process).<p>If this worked in generic stores they could make a killing with theft detection services.
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ChaseT超过 8 年前
NPR&#x27;s Planet Money podcast did a story two months ago with the inventor of the self checkout machine, Howard Schneider.<p>At the end of the end of the episode he was asked what his &quot;dream&quot; supermarket would be, and he said one where people don&#x27;t have to check items out. They walk in, grab something, walk out, and are automatically charged.<p>This seems to be exactly what Amazon has done. Pretty amazing to see the realization of his dream be announced only two months after his interview.
MertsA超过 8 年前
So what happens when someone asks a good samaritan to help them get some expensive item off of a high shelf? How does this deal with things like a couple shopping together, one with an Amazon account and one without where both of them are getting items off of the shelves?<p>Even if all of the video was monitored by a human I can still envision several pitfalls to this where it&#x27;s hard to know who to bill for what without interacting with the customer.
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tristanho超过 8 年前
&quot;Our checkout-free shopping experience is made possible by the same types of technologies used in self-driving cars: computer vision, sensor fusion, and deep learning.&quot;<p>Very interesting choice of comparison ha... I suppose this is Amazon trying to attract the tech crowd? It almost sounds satirical.<p>Not to downplay the tech -- this looks incredible.
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tdaltonc超过 8 年前
Is the basic idea that there are cameras everywhere and they watch and record everything you touch?<p>Now I can&#x27;t stop thinking about the behavioral analytics. Can they get rough pupil dilation data? I&#x27;m sure they can get facial expressions and maybe gaze tracking.<p>Next step is using kiva bots to rearrange&#x2F;restock the isles when no one is looking.
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syphilis2超过 8 年前
This has been in the eye of retailers for a long time (such as the bar code scanner guns some stores let shoppers use) in part because it makes it very easy for shoppers to (over)spend. Retailers are always looking to eliminate barriers to customers purchasing things. Amazon has a few convenient innovations that make shopping faster: one click purchases, subscription services, the dash button, and possibly one day a grab-n-go grocery. This post doesn&#x27;t intend to demonize Amazon, these are all innovations that make shopping easier, but I think it&#x27;s good financially for customers to be cognizant of how this convenience impacts behavior.
20tibbygt06超过 8 年前
What happens when parents walk in with kids? Does little Bobby need his own account for everything he&#x27;s going to touch and pickup?<p>What if I walk in with a friend on our way to somewhere else and they don&#x27;t have an account and I&#x27;m just getting something quick, do they not get in and wait outside? Everybody in the video was just one person or all had an account&#x2F;phone.<p>Overall, I hope this works and expands. Checkout lines can be a hassle at times.
kennystone超过 8 年前
The queues at stores have always been the worst part of the experience. You put stuff in a bag, which is effectively a queue, then you wait in a line - a human queue, then you de-queue your cart on a belt, which is another queue, it gets scanned item by item and then placed right back into a similar bag to where it started. Good job Amazon for finally working to eliminate the queues.
iainmerrick超过 8 年前
It&#x27;s amazing how this combines just about every cutting-edge trend and hot topic in technology, both good and bad:<p>- Elimination of low-level jobs<p>- Elimination of cash<p>- Deep surveillance (cameras everywhere, online tracking)<p>- Assuming it works, it will seem pretty magical!<p><i>(edit: formatting)</i>
sytse超过 8 年前
This is amazing, I admire Amazon for their boldness. It seems very practical for users. I assume that you can dispute charges with the app and that they store the footage of you to resolve disputes. I&#x27;m sure they&#x27;ll need some times to tune the algorithms. But disputing a charge via an app is better than to wait in line. Kudos to Amazon for innovating.
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teaearlgraycold超过 8 年前
Am I normally unaware of Amazon&#x27;s new products, or have they been releasing an abnormally high amount of new offerings recently?
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makecheck超过 8 年前
I wonder how much extra revenue a typical store can expect from the “impulse buy” sections at checkout counters? Unless the entire exit to the store is littered with impulse-buy displays, they might be losing that chunk of revenue and have to make up for it somehow.<p>Also, it already seemed more convenient to <i>not go to the store in the first place</i> (ordering online), especially for the kinds of items in packages that would work well at this type of store. The missing convenience was one that store employees could give you: let you pick out the <i>fresh</i> things you want (like produce and baked goods) and have someone box those up for you and even ship them to your house.
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rewrew超过 8 年前
A bunch of grocery stores here on the West Coast are replacing their self checkout lines and going back to checkers. They&#x27;re saying that it&#x27;s to &quot;improve the customer experience&quot; but people in the industry know (due to tests done by other retailers who bypassed the technology once they tested it, like Costco), its because of product loss&#x2F;shoplifting. I know it&#x27;s not apples and oranges but I do think that the loss margin is going to be so high on this that only Amazon will be able to eat this -- and I think they know this.
SCHiM超过 8 年前
Haha yes, hackers are going to have a field day with this!! I&#x27;m sure it&#x27;s good enough for users which don&#x27;t actively try to game the system through technical means, but I suspect it won&#x27;t stand a chance against someone who&#x27;s taken the time to understand and undermine the system.<p>On another more on-topic note, what an awesome time to be alive! :) When I was younger concepts like this were usually paired with flying cars and space travel in cartoons, but now it&#x27;s real.
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jakozaur超过 8 年前
Wow. So groceries without checkout.<p>I thought that at some point RFID would replace barcodes providing similar experience. However, this system claim to be based on cameras and image recognition.
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mrcabada超过 8 年前
This seems easy to outsmart or confuse.<p>What if I go with someone that doesn&#x27;t have an Amazon Go account grabs some stuff for me and throw it to me?<p>Or how about I go with someone that has an Amazon Go account too and we divide in two, he goes for the milks I go for the cereals. We meet just before the &quot;check-out&quot; and he gives me my milk I give him his cereal.<p>I&#x27;d need to know more about the technical stuff to know how it could be confused, or to know if it&#x27;s even possible to.
masthead超过 8 年前
If there&#x27;s an Amazon employee who has visited the store, please tell us the experience.
jedberg超过 8 年前
I suspect during the beta they&#x27;ve asked their employees to try and steal things amd move things to the wrong place -- really push the software.<p>At least I hope they did. I assume they are going into this expecting a loss while they work out the kinks.
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CodeSheikh超过 8 年前
Guys this is not good. As much as I love the convenience of pick-and-go, this eventually will prove out to be drastic for a variety of bad socioeconomic reasons, that most of us are already aware of. Small businesses were already suffering at the hands of Amazon Prime. Now Amazon Go wants to not only kick out those businesses out of the block but it also wants to take away jobs of small retail salesperson. Unacceptable. This can perhaps work at Amazon headquarters but I hope, I really hope it does not make its way to major metro cities like NYC and if it does then Amazon should promise to create certain number of jobs and revenue that it intends to displace. Just because an average reader of HN does not do such jobs or had held such jobs for only a brief period in his&#x2F;her life, this does not mean that lot of people don&#x27;t rely on such small time jobs for their livelihood.<p>Places I can see this working are with low footprints such as cafes at hospitals etc.<p>Amazon Go, please Go away.<p>Updated: Grammar correction.
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oaktowner超过 8 年前
Interesting that they say &quot;Amazon Go is currently open to Amazon employees in our Beta program, and will open to the public in early 2017.&quot;<p>Generally &quot;beta&quot; implies that non-employees are using it. This is more of a dogfooding program (though maybe they wanted to avoid that term since they&#x27;re selling human food this way!).
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microDude超过 8 年前
Ok Amazon, why not do this?<p>Skip the whole stocked shelf thing entirely. Have a website setup that customers can build a shopping cart, then just show up and pickup their &quot;pre-bagged&quot; groceries. The benefits to this are obvious.<p>1) No shop lifting. 2) Car friendly (you could have multiple drive-thru pickup lines) 3) Convenience for the shopper (saved lists, common items, don&#x27;t have to walk around the store) 4) The store, could just effectively be a warehouse. 5) Possible to automate almost all of the work.<p>And before you say &quot;what about produce?&quot;. Well, you could have a automated &quot;imaging&quot; station upon goods receipt that customers could use when building their cart. Or, offer really good return policies. Either way, the convenience would far outweigh the produce problem.
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jonlucc超过 8 年前
It already feels very weird to me to walk into an Apple store, check out on my own phone, and just walk out with product. This will take some getting used to.
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lsiebert超过 8 年前
I think this potentially ignores the needs of disabled shoppers who rely on supermarket workers.<p>What if you have mobility issues and need someone to grab items for you? What if you have vision issues and need someone to read an ingredient list?
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SonicSoul超过 8 年前
I think this could work if cart or your app confirms your selection before checkout. Otherwise people would be too stressed out &#x2F; unsure about discounted items to roll the dice.
kowdermeister超过 8 年前
RFID alone is not enough. It must have some kind of video tracking component to it, otherwise I could easily fabricate a Faraday cage inside my bag and just leave with the goods.
dmvaldman超过 8 年前
Why is this a machine learning problem? Why not use some low-power tag for items, and scan all items on customer exit?<p>Personal opinion: Amazon is not interested in creating supermarkets&#x2F;wal-marts. Instead it wants to sell an ML solution to other brick &amp; mortar stores, and this current effort is to prove plausibility. Selling an ML solution, with cameras and software, is harder to compete with than a tagging solution (especially if based on open and accessible hardware).
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Keverw超过 8 年前
I love this idea! I hate how stores only have like 1 or 2 registers opened.<p>I wonder how it would react to a family shopping, is it tracking people or the bag? Hopefully it&#x27;d bill who ever has the bag in case your kid puts in a bunch of junk food. Supporting carts for larger purchases seems like somthing is missing.<p>But yeah I love this. I hope we move towards the future when repetitive jobs are all automated and we have some sort of basic income. So the human race can be more innovative and everyone can unlock their true potential instead of being a corporate drones for a job they never liked and can&#x27;t figure out how to get out of it.<p>Edit: Wanted to add real quick - as things do get more automated. I do hope there&#x27;s a easy way to get ahold of human in case of things acting up or if you just need some help. I know tons of sites seem to not even provide support or make it super hard to even find a contact. Amazon itself seems to have good support from what I&#x27;ve heard, never really had to use it but in general companies should focus on support also, with or without automation. Just seems like somthing generally lacking to me in the tech industry.
jaypaulynice超过 8 年前
I&#x27;m guessing it&#x27;s not as simple as they make it look in the video...unless the food tags have some kind of RFID&#x2F;Bluetooth to communicate with the phone in your pocket...maybe the grocery bags? Even with cashiers sometimes they don&#x27;t know what the price is...also some things are sold by the pounds...where is the scale? What if you pay then walk back in again? You get double charged?
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Sir_Cmpwn超过 8 年前
I only run open source software on my phone. I can&#x27;t wait for the day when I can&#x27;t even buy groceries without a proprietary app.
superuser2超过 8 年前
The futuristic supermarket I imagined as a kid was a warehouse-scale vending machine. Robotic carts roll down the aisles on tracks, and the shelves push the requested items out onto them. You show up after that&#x27;s done and collect your cart.<p>Probably need some human labor for the produce section.<p>This is interesting but the checkout line is nothing compared to the time in the aisles.
vit05超过 8 年前
What I do not understand is: Why do they need to know that it was me who got something off the shelf? They need to know when something has left the shelf, so they can refuel, and they need to know when something leaves the store, so they can charge.<p>But do they really need to know when you pull out an item and then give up buying it?
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edkennedy超过 8 年前
What I like about this is it encourages the European style of grocery shopping. That is, visiting a grocery store daily to make dinner with fresher foods. The longer the lines, wait, and commute, the larger grocery orders will get and the further people are pushed towards Costco style grocery purchasing.
ocdtrekkie超过 8 年前
My first thought is: I don&#x27;t have a supported smartphone.<p>The current checkout process entails the acceptance of common legal tender, but this process will require I have their app, and presumably allow it quite a bit of tracking permission.<p>A cool demo, sure, but I think I&#x27;ll stick to shopping like the normal folks.
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Blue3Wheeler超过 8 年前
I think this technology is something our society doesn&#x27;t need in this moment. Reducing jobs only because people can&#x27;t wait in the line is not a big step to humanity. We need to see what are the consequences for future generations instead of trying to look &quot;futuristic&quot;.
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Roritharr超过 8 年前
Interesting, i&#x27;ve read about these Store Concepts for years as Test Projects from Rewe in Germany, but they never rolled them out widely. Probably sticking RFID on everything was too expensive. This camera based solution might be better suited for a wide rollout.
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highprofit超过 8 年前
This is impressive. How did it know which products were inside the woman&#x27;s shopping bag? As customer grabs items how does it associate the items to that customer&#x27;s virtual cart instantly? Aren&#x27;t customers supposed to scan the products?
pjc50超过 8 年前
So it&#x27;s a surveillance scheme good enough to track every product on every shelf?
rad_gruchalski超过 8 年前
&quot;Four years ago we asked ourselves: what if we could create a shopping experience with no lines and no checkout?&quot;<p>And yet they&#x27;re not first doing this: <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.dailymail.co.uk&#x2F;sciencetech&#x2F;article-3465767&#x2F;Now-s-self-service-24-hour-unmanned-shop-Sweden-lets-shoppers-unlock-doors-scan-items-pay-using-just-app.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.dailymail.co.uk&#x2F;sciencetech&#x2F;article-3465767&#x2F;Now-s...</a>
hourislate超过 8 年前
I like to take my time shopping. Look around read labels, check what are people are buying.<p>The part that kills me is checking out. I have always wondered why the cart can&#x27;t scan your items and when you push it through a reader at checkout it just has everything totaled and charges you. The cashier can now bag your groceries. You could even have the cart recheck your purchase amount when the items are removed to be packed.<p>Someone out there hurry up and figure out the details :)
throw7超过 8 年前
This is bad. I can&#x27;t really support this because it requires a smartphone. And it literally looks like you must have the Amazon Go app to enter the store. No.
bluelu超过 8 年前
Maybe they also weight you when enter and leave the store. They can then cross check your weight with the weight of the items you have bought.
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sndean超过 8 年前
Other interesting possible implications of this:<p>1) The inability to pay with cash (or debit, or check, etc..). 2) No need to carry any form of money in the store.<p>Taken to an extreme where every store runs this way, will people have a need for cash, credit cards, or anything else? Why not just have your bank account attached to your Amazon (and every other account) and have money taken out directly?
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xaduha超过 8 年前
Supermarket retail has razor thin margins, last I heard. If it&#x27;s going to save money in the long run, then it&#x27;s the future.
glup超过 8 年前
If the justification for merging the produce stand, bakery, fishmonger, butcher, etc. into one is the efficiency of a shared POS and delivery system, this could provide the justification for splitting them back out, at least in upscale markets. Rather than cashiers, you would have &quot;consultants.&quot; And you get richer data for supply chain decisions.
agentgt超过 8 年前
I know this is fairly impossible in urban areas but I find myself shopping much more frequently in what I call grocery farms. If you live in affluent suburbias I&#x27;m sure you have seen them. They are basically high end grocery stores that sells the produce they grow along with other things they buy from other <i>local</i> farms. Some of the produce is grown inside and seasonal things are grown outside.<p>Yeah some of them are just for show and an excuse to sell high end stonewall kitchen stuff but others actually grow their own stuff or sell other farms stuff.<p>The problem with local food (produce and meat) is that they are often not in plastic containers (which I prefer). It looks like Amazon Go requires very prepackaged stuff.<p>I really would love to see someway to have more farm+grocery stores (that is grow right in the store or very near by). Figuring out a way (even if it requires some GMO) to grow food right in the store would be an amazing thing for the environment, health, and food quality.<p>The other things is I know people are in a rush with everything but over the last few years I find grocery shopping rather cathartic and I think people used to enjoy grocery shopping (you know go to the butcher and then to the baker kind of european lifestyle). It is shame we have to make something even more &quot;on the go&quot; that I&#x27;m not sure needs to be.
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koolba超过 8 年前
How do they know you&#x27;re you? Do you scan your phone on the way in &#x2F; out and get tracked via RFID or do they do facial recognition?<p>If it&#x27;s the latter there&#x27;s no way I&#x27;d use something like this. I love Amazon (as a retail customer) and AWS, but no way I&#x27;m self registering my face with them.
mrfusion超过 8 年前
This is really exciting. I&#x27;ve always wanted to see this.<p>It makes me wonder someday if money will be completely invisible.
shaydoc超过 8 年前
Seriously, this will basically make lots of low skill workers redundant. Yes it fabulous innovation, but surely automation along these lines is dangerous for the fabric of society. When I say this, I mean, whats the plan for dealing with all the lay offs caused by tech automation ?
8draco8超过 8 年前
Looks cool but one major question:<p>Who can go in to the store? If only people that have phone + app then technically I can&#x27;t go in with my wife, allow her to pick and choose her yogurt while I&#x27;m looking for a coffee, put our groceries in to one bag and pay for it from my account.
zouhair超过 8 年前
Nice and all but I don&#x27;t want a store to get my personal info just so I can shop at their place.
31reasons超过 8 年前
Amazon &quot;All Store Jobs&quot; Go! Not sure how new administration going to respond to this.
xs超过 8 年前
If I bring the whole family shopping with me, does everyone need a phone app and stuff?
learned超过 8 年前
I got excited when I thought this would be about Go usage on AWS, but this is way cooler.
mholmes680超过 8 年前
I would have liked to be in the scrum meeting, and proposed the David Blaine use-case.
yalogin超过 8 年前
This is what people expected when RFID technology came up. They somehow thought its going to be this panacea but quickly realized its not. Amazon might have the solution but I can&#x27;t say unless I see the implementation.
deusofnull超过 8 年前
What happens if someone sneaks into the store without an amazon account and walks right the hell out with whatever they want? Not a criticism, just curious what we speculate the theft prevention systems used here might be.
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carrja99超过 8 年前
Oh lame I was expecting this to be an announcement of Go support on AWS Lambda.
kristofferR超过 8 年前
It&#x27;s really weird that the prices are printed on paper labels. Why aren&#x27;t they digital?<p>I guess it&#x27;s not that big of an issue though, since this is a single store and not a chain. The employees need stuff to do.
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sytelus超过 8 年前
Amazon app currently already has barcode scanning. My guess is that they are replacing POS with app. If you think about it no one needs those arcane point of sell machines because smartphones can do scanning as well as payment processing. The only thing left is detecting unscanned items which is fairly well solved problem using RFIDs. May be later can be combined as well with measuring weight of person identified when entering.<p>This is brilliant as-in how no one else thought about it. Lot of small shops have limit on their open schedule because of staffing issues. I am assuming Amazon will set up few experimental shops and then sell technology to other stores. This can certainly revolutionize retail if they persist on executing right.
samstave超过 8 年前
So...<p>What if I have a large shopping run, like for Thanksgiving? I have a ~$400 cart worth of loot. Where will I sort and bag my goods?<p>They should make Amazon Go like a 7-11 rather than a Whole Foods.<p>Are the item prices any less?
nether超过 8 年前
That dreadful music... <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=11286858" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=11286858</a>
richartruddie超过 8 年前
I embrace and trust all that Amazon does. As Jeff Bezos is proud of saying (not direct quote): you&#x27;re not failing you&#x27;re not trying enough difficult things.
tmnvix超过 8 年前
If I enter the store with a product I purchased elsewhere or even earlier in the same store (say some bottled water), will I be charged for it when I leave?
warrenmiller超过 8 年前
The future is now! This advert 10 years ago: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;pmAr23yZP9Y" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;pmAr23yZP9Y</a>
bhewes超过 8 年前
I can see this being useful by freeing up staff to provide value added services instead of being stuck at the register. I can see stores having category experts.
celticninja超过 8 年前
im not sure this is a problem that needed to be solved. The issue of ordering groceries has been solved by existing supermarkets, in my case i can order everything I need on a weekly basis from Tesco for a small delivery fee. The last thing i want to do is go back to shopping in store, there are smaller local shops for little items but i cant see me using Amazon go in lieu of my existing grocery store that delivers.
estrabd超过 8 年前
&quot;Alert, alert you are too poor to be in here.&quot;
ISNIT超过 8 年前
&quot;No lines&quot; I&#x27;m just imagining a huge group of people standing by the door waiting to download the app so they can buy eggs.
losteverything超过 8 年前
The packaging or company that creates products conducive to &quot;go&quot; (cashierless) will be required for chains like walmart.
mooveprince超过 8 年前
This is cool. Interested to know how customers can return their product once they come out of the store. Just place it back ?
richartruddie超过 8 年前
This is the future of the world. Great innovation that we&#x27;re excited to see. Whats not to love about this?
malditojavi超过 8 年前
Now the question is: would Bezos keep this tech for himself or give access to it to other big retailers?
kreisel93超过 8 年前
Will be useful in Amazon package centers for pickers
jefe_超过 8 年前
amazon go skydive - just hop on the plane!<p>amazon go swim - just dive right in!<p>amazon go kennels - just drop and drive!<p>amazon go restoration hardware - good luck!<p>amazon go lite - just grab and checkout and go!<p>amazon go guns - just grab and go!<p>i assume they will eventually open this up to other retailers &#x2F; service providers?
rmurthy超过 8 年前
What happens if my smartphone is switched off after I enter the retail warehouse?
hellbanner超过 8 年前
Does it use a phone app &amp; GPS&#x2F;NFC for knowing when to charge the customer?
acomar超过 8 年前
I wonder how they plan to deal with fraud... some kind of check-in process instead?
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dingdongding超过 8 年前
How does this scale. Would camera be able to follow 100 people at the same time?
smcg超过 8 年前
So how long before someone starts claiming this is the mark of the beast?
throwaway77127超过 8 年前
If the merchandise is as bad as the books they ship (faded pages, water damage, ..), no thanks.<p>I don&#x27;t need Deep Learning[tm] when I go to a supermarket. Also, they should really have integrated The Blockchain[tm] in the buzzwords.<p>Nevertheless, this is good for Bitcoin.
junke超过 8 年前
A lot safer than the &quot;Just Run Out&quot; low-tech approach.
Blue3Wheeler超过 8 年前
This encourages consumerism. It will be hard to take a count of what you&#x27;re spending. While I wait in the line I always rethink about what I&#x27;m buying, sometimes I realize I&#x27;m buying something I don&#x27;t need.
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anacleto超过 8 年前
Software is eating the world and Amazon is eating software.
josephby超过 8 年前
Why announce this 3 months ahead of the scheduled opening?
sevmardi超过 8 年前
Someone cares to explain the technology behind this?
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alvil超过 8 年前
I&#x27;m going to be depressed. Stamped Sheeps.
retube超过 8 年前
why is &quot;deep learning&quot; and &quot;computer vision&quot; required here? Surely a RFID tag on each item would suffice?
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ta11ey超过 8 年前
1 million Merits.
lexap超过 8 年前
Selfycart&#x27;s valuation just skyrocketed.
edward超过 8 年前
How does Amazon Go handle alcohol sales?
HillaryBriss超过 8 年前
I like the video. But I wonder where they put all the middle aged and elderly customers. Probably in the food.
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thesimpsons1022超过 8 年前
this is great! since the election my one purpose in life has been to automate every job of the &quot;white working class&quot; because of what they&#x27;ve decided to do to us. With this and Otto and Uber it won&#x27;t be long.
estrabd超过 8 年前
What Would Glenda Do?
kreisel93超过 8 年前
communism is on the way and everyone is happy :)
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cwkoss超过 8 年前
Can I wear a Jeff Bezos mask into the store to get free groceries?
kesor超过 8 年前
About time.
vlunkr超过 8 年前
As someone who regularly takes kids to the grocery store, this would be a nightmare. You&#x27;d get charged for every random thing your kid decided to pull off a shelf and stuff somewhere else. Unless their AI ignores kids or something.
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clifanatic超过 8 年前
So, you drive around trying to catch Amazons on your phone?
pierre_d528超过 8 年前
<p><pre><code> 1984 anyone?</code></pre>
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colept超过 8 年前
Shut up and take my money.
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