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With Station F, Paris will have the world’s biggest startup campus

205 点作者 programLyrique超过 8 年前

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pi-err超过 8 年前
Kudos to the team who made it happen. I&#x27;m French and happy this comes to life.<p>I still have the feeling this is more of a stunt to bring attention on Station F than on the startups themselves. Beyond the buzz, there is very little vision. It&#x27;s a giant intensive farm in a denser, currently-under-redevelopment neighborhood.<p>In this super dense setting, they&#x27;re piling up various talent for sort-of-low-cost rents, hoping to raise unicorns thanks to nearby campuses, increased VC flow in Paris and general attention towards startups. This strikes me as a formula thought out by people who have never actually been in a successful startup (Roxanne Varza has been successful at _talking about_ startups, never at actually building things).<p>One outcome is that all those points successfully connect together. Another, more probable outcome is that it will turn out impossible to keep focus, talent and purpose in a giant, open space (also probably soon to be under-maintained judging by French standards).
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Voodoo463超过 8 年前
I am very happy this is happening, but I remain pessimistic about this. I have been in Paris many times and even lived there for a bit. As far as cities go with job infrastructure, Paris is non functioning. The city itself is inherently flawed in job growth and management. There is a lack of variety in jobs. There ARE a variety of jobs, but the disparity between amount and desire is huge.<p>When I was in Paris the only people I met were those majoring in Finance, the amount of computer programmers or engineers at the universities were extremely low. Why? Because the jobs just aren&#x27;t there. Paris is and has always been a hub for Money. People then majored and specialized in Money. It is where the Money is; Money is where the jobs would be.<p>Don&#x27;t let the media blitz carry you away at the announcement of Station F, it is a media wave designed to tell people, &#x27;look... we are diversifying our economy&#x27; as Berlin and London have also been attempting (rather... ineffectively for Germany). The media blitz is a way of telling individuals in France (and all of Europe actually) that this is where tech jobs can be found... so make the decision to major in tech.<p>What I imagine will happen is: many people from Eastern Europe (strong scattering of micro tech scenes without sufficient exposure) will flock to Station F to take advantage of it&#x27;s proximity to all of the local funding that can be found in Paris. Paris is a place like London and New York where people park their money for expansion. Station F is just another place for these people to park their funds.<p>We could be seeing the beginning of a rocking station F, or, we could be seeing the beginning of a very large media hype designed to encourage diversifying the economy that will be the beginning of a very slow &#x27;meh&#x27; Station F.
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vonnik超过 8 年前
Station F is a well-meaning project that may succeed. The French government plays a large, interventionist role in the nation&#x27;s economy, and infrastructure projects like this are one way it can express itself. I lived in Paris for over a decade, and I happen to disagree with both the hype and some of the criticisms in this thread.<p>While Paris is the economic center of France, it is <i>not</i> where the money is. That would be London, NYC or Shanghai. Maybe Brexit will drive finance back to France, but France started driving them away with the early 80s nationalizations of Mitterand.<p>I think Station F could present a great, regional hub for EMEA. France and other European countries turn out amazingly talented technologists. But those same countries don&#x27;t always provide an environment for them and their businesses to thrive. That is partially due to how people invest in Europe, partially due to how governments regulate, and finally to a discomfort with marketing in France itself.<p>There are holes in the European funding ladder moving from pre-seed to IPO that drive European entrepreneurs to Silicon Valley. Those holes are due to a lack of investors who are willing and able to identify opportunities at every stage and take a risk. Most European money is old, and it prefers real estate. If that money allots a percentage for VC, a lot of it will end up with Silicon Valley firms, because the top ones have unrivaled track records and the money does require a plane ticket to travel. And the SV VCs see all the best European entrepreneurs come through to pitch anyway.<p>The second problem is regulation, and something close to that which I don&#x27;t quite have a word for. The best analogy would be to compare the Napoleonic code, which attempts to legislate for all contingencies from the beginning, with common-law systems, in which a body of precedent rulings and thought develop in response to the world. My impression of France is that it creates analytically rigorous and often misguided policies, and seeks to apply them to quickly evolving situations. I believe that thinking also infects many decision-makers who affect tech, who aren&#x27;t responding and creating as quickly as they might in another cultural context.<p>Finally, tech needs hustlers and hype. New things must be sold. France has a history of inventing amazing technology before other countries, and not marketing it well (Minitel).<p>With luck, Niel&#x27;s Station F will address and mitigate those risks.
dreistdreist超过 8 年前
Renting a desk in an open office full of random people? Sounds like a horrible work environment.
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Heraclite超过 8 年前
For French entrepreneurs reading this: make it extremely easy and painless to start&#x2F;run&#x2F;shutdown a company in France.<p>I dream of being able to start a company by completing a form and sending a copy of my French ID. And all the rest (accountants&#x2F;HR&#x2F;law) would be handled by online third party services smoothly. Same should go for banking services associated with the company.<p>I think France has great potential but it needs simplification of processes. I&#x27;m not expecting the government to do it, hence my desparate call to other French entrepreneurs.
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wrren超过 8 年前
While I think that supporting startups is a good idea, creating a campus without a nearby network of rich investors is like sowing seeds in sand. I&#x27;ve been part of more than one startup in Europe and it is far more difficult to secure early-stage investment than in SF. Until Europe has an equivalent VC presence, SF will always have the edge. I hope that this campus will attract that sort of attention from investors but we have a long way to go.
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kbart超过 8 年前
I can&#x27;t imagine myself programming in such huge, open space full of people and distractions. Maybe it might work for sales, marketing or costumer support, but not for a type of work that requires concentration.
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staticelf超过 8 年前
Why would a startup with 1-5 people (as an example) even rent a place at all? I understand if you do any kind of hardware stuff, but for software companies it makes zero sense to me.<p>They could just as well be at home, saving that money and putting it in the startup instead?
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throwaway1892超过 8 年前
Nowhere on the Station F website was indicated the adress of the actual building, which is a glaring omission, for someone working near Paris and wondering where it is.
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fermigier超过 8 年前
It used to be called an &quot;incubator&quot; (see: <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.wilmotte.com&#x2F;fr&#x2F;projet&#x2F;411&#x2F;Station-F-Halle-Freyssinet-Incubateur-de-start-ups" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.wilmotte.com&#x2F;fr&#x2F;projet&#x2F;411&#x2F;Station-F-Halle-Freyss...</a>) now it&#x27;s a &quot;startup campus&quot;. This is probably more reasonable.
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jstoja超过 8 年前
Even though it just seems like a big open-space with less services included (people mentioning no free coffee), I would presume that more &quot;startup oriented&quot; services will be available. Paris has a super vibrant startup community and some small incubators are already in the city center, providing awesome followup.
Animats超过 8 年前
3000 people in one room in an old train shed. With occasional shipping containers. This is is their idea of a startup campus?<p>Someone else mentioned [1] Nantes&#x27; La Cantine. That looks more usable; it&#x27;s a big collection of little shops under one big roof. Looks like a repurposed mall. Repurposing an unused mall for this sort of thing might make sense. Rentable spaces of different sizes, good HVAC, power, and sprinklers, plenty of parking, not much heavy construction required.<p>[1] <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;jonathanwinandy.tumblr.com&#x2F;post&#x2F;3198051103&#x2F;ouverture-de-la-cantine-num%C3%A9rique-de-nantes" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;jonathanwinandy.tumblr.com&#x2F;post&#x2F;3198051103&#x2F;ouverture-...</a>
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kriro超过 8 年前
I hope they play &quot;My Way&quot; when it officially opens :D
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gadders超过 8 年前
I always thought the things that prevented Startups in France would be more to do with employment laws - rules about weekend working, very hard to fire people, etc etc.
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readhn超过 8 年前
Is 195 euros&#x2F;desk their solution? Really? Its going to bring in 1000 startups somehow? And why do they keep bringing up facebook? Its not a start up and could care less about other start ups succeeding (rightfully so).<p>Weren&#x27;t a bunch of high profile French actually leaving France because of HUGE taxes in france?<p>Any French here can answer this question?: for a start up making 5000 euros a month - how much would you pay in taxes?
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ungzd超过 8 年前
&gt; startup campus<p>&gt; with companies like Facebook and TechShop opening offices there<p>Is Facebook still a startup?
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ju-st超过 8 年前
Great idea, but no free coffee? And do the desks include monitors?
vmorgulis超过 8 年前
For those who are near Paris, there is a new HN meetup in january:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;hn.silexlabs.org" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;hn.silexlabs.org</a>
agumonkey超过 8 年前
Funny how quickly things change <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;duckduckgo.com&#x2F;?q=halle+freyssinet&amp;ia=web" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;duckduckgo.com&#x2F;?q=halle+freyssinet&amp;ia=web</a>
ldom22超过 8 年前
is it actually a train station? that would be awesome for the commutes of people that will work there
LeicaLatte超过 8 年前
&#x27;Startup campus&#x27; is a new marketing low.