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ReMarkable Paper Tablet

179 点作者 mtaksrud超过 8 年前

36 条评论

linuxkerneldev超过 8 年前
For those feeling the impulse to empty their wallets, I urge caution. I just got done being burned by the kickstarter for the goodreader equivalent. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.indiegogo.com&#x2F;projects&#x2F;13-3-inch-android-e-reader#&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.indiegogo.com&#x2F;projects&#x2F;13-3-inch-android-e-reade...</a><p>I see no evidence that the team behind this &quot;remarkable&quot; product has ever completed anything of this scale.<p>Some of the claims are very suspicious. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;liliputing.com&#x2F;2016&#x2F;11&#x2F;remarkable-10-3-inch-writing-slate-goes-pre-order-379.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;liliputing.com&#x2F;2016&#x2F;11&#x2F;remarkable-10-3-inch-writing-...</a><p>&quot;reMarkable says the screen has 55ms latency for quick response from pen input&quot;<p>55ms would be impressive for an LCD. Even the iPad Pro has a latency of 60ms [1]. So a 55ms claim for an E Ink panel? Should raise one&#x27;s alarm detector.<p>[1] <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.anandtech.com&#x2F;show&#x2F;9766&#x2F;the-apple-ipad-pro-review&#x2F;9" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.anandtech.com&#x2F;show&#x2F;9766&#x2F;the-apple-ipad-pro-review...</a>
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pttrsmrt超过 8 年前
I was sold until this line:<p>&quot;Your thoughts, whether they’re words or sketches, are instantly synced to reMarkable’s cloud service&quot;<p>Imagine for a company only five years back to literally say that your thoughts are sent to their server. I welcome any product that understand we need less distractions and less help from so-called AI, but there are many reasons to be cautious about this one (preorder, latency claim and lack of technical details being some of them).<p>EDIT: After looking a bit more around, their technical claims does seem credible. Their CTO is&#x2F;was even a developer at KDE, so let&#x27;s hope they also will support open standards and personal servers. If so then it&#x27;s literally the device I&#x27;ve always been dreaming of!
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Qwertystop超过 8 年前
What I would consider the killer features for this, if present (as in, if guaranteed these, I would buy it):<p>- The ability to use it as a drawing tablet for another computer. It&#x27;s already a perfectly good large touch-sensitive surface meant for drawing, why should I need to buy a second one for Illustrator?<p>- ssh, and some way to connect an external keyboard. E-paper is excellent for a terminal, and this is big enough to be useful.<p>- Some way to use purely as a display, whether by some plug or by X-server broadcasting via SSH or some form of screen-sharing client. Most non-video uses of a computer (if color is not crucial) work just fine on e-paper.<p>- The ability to turn off cloud-sync. Sorry, but I&#x27;m not sending you everything I write. For some people that might even go deeper than a personal choice (NDAs, if they work on anything proprietary, depending on how they&#x27;re phrased).<p>So, basically, the ability to use it for its components and not just the singular agglomeration of them that you envision. I put that above even the ability to write your own software for it.<p>In other words, if ReMarkable has the following, I would have already pre-ordered, even if it&#x27;s got nothing else:<p>- an e-paper touch display<p>- plus Wi-Fi, USB, HDMI, etc.<p>- the ability to disable automatic cloud sync<p>- with four built-in programs:<p>-- ssh<p>-- drivers-for-use-as-drawing-tablet<p>-- VNC client<p>-- The reader&#x2F;drawing program demonstrated in the video, for use alone
kartoffelmos超过 8 年前
I&#x27;ve tried the prototype device, and I&#x27;m very excited that this is finally coming to market!<p>That said, and it might be nitpicky of me, but the choice of micro-USB for charging is a real annoyance. This is a premium device at a premium price point which I&#x27;m expecting to keep for many years. USB-C for portable devices is something that I&#x27;m considering a must-have at this point. Will probably wait for the first hardware revision.
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strgrd超过 8 年前
Wow, the latency looks really bad. You would think that by August 2017 we would be down to sub-frame latency for stylus input. At this point, I would rather use a stylus with a cord if it meant shaving off 10ms. As is, it&#x27;s just unusable. I know for people that have been in the tablet-input world for a while, 50ms sounds reasonable, but hand this to a kid, and they&#x27;ll start drawing all over the screen, waiting for the lines to catch up.<p>I&#x27;ll be interested in this when the latency and DPI can keep up with the pace of natural handwriting.
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anexprogrammer超过 8 年前
I really want this to succeed. I&#x27;d love to buy one. There&#x27;s been quite a few failed attempts.<p>From FAQ &gt; own special operating system Codex &#x2F; We might however release an unsupported SDK for best developers<p>That&#x27;s disappointing. I assume &quot;best developers&quot; means corporates. I&#x27;d have hoped for a fully open SDK as you&#x27;re not able to use anything from Android etc. There&#x27;s probably no end of utilities solo coders would piece together. I&#x27;d probably be looking at whether I could make a few apps myself.<p>I&#x27;m a <i>little</i> disappointed at no lighting, it&#x27;s made a big difference to my eReader. No doubt LEDs would add much to cost.
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NoGravitas超过 8 年前
I really like the idea. But I don&#x27;t much care for it syncing to the vendor&#x27;s cloud server. If it would sync in open file formats to my NextCloud instance, then that&#x27;s attractive.<p>Also, there&#x27;s definitely a balance to be struck between lack of distraction and lack of features. It would be a waste for this not to have an epub reader, for example. But while I&#x27;d really appreciate having email on it, that&#x27;s starting to get into distraction territory.
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heinrichf超过 8 年前
This is very reminiscent of the Noteslate vaporware: <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.noteslate.com&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.noteslate.com&#x2F;</a>
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rtpg超过 8 年前
For those who really want a PDF annotator, Sony sells a large mostly-equivalent of this, there&#x27;s the Sony DPT-S1<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;pro.sony.com&#x2F;bbsc&#x2F;ssr&#x2F;product-DPTS1&#x2F;?PID=I:digitalpaper:digitalpaperproductpage" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;pro.sony.com&#x2F;bbsc&#x2F;ssr&#x2F;product-DPTS1&#x2F;?PID=I:digitalpa...</a><p>This is a pro device, costs almost $1000. I don&#x27;t own one but a friend does... it&#x27;s very magical looking, and feels nice for the 2 minutes I used it.
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shostack超过 8 年前
This looks amazing. If you don&#x27;t mind, I have a couple questions...<p>- I know you&#x27;re not committing to certain things at this time, but can you confirm yet that a subscription fee will NOT be required for full usage? Ie. If I want to store locally or on Dropbox or Google Drive would something like that be possible? I hesitate to preorder without knowing how your full pricing model might be structured.<p>- Is the stylus unique to the device, or will any old stylus work? Also, will it need to be charged separately?<p>- Will there be the possibility of low frame rate animations? I could see that being super useful for diagrams.<p>- Can you share any insights into the current state of eInk technology with regards to color displays? Is it looking like something that might be commercially viable in the next 5 years? 10?<p>- As you acknowledge, this tech will likely be copied pretty quickly. How do you build a business moat around that?<p>Awesome stuff and excited to see how this turns out.
pjc50超过 8 年前
That looks rather lovely. The smart paper tablet that some of us have always wanted.<p>&quot;Better thinking&quot; might be an overstatement, but it is quite a hassle to doodle on a computer, and I do find that I think slightly differently while handwriting.
awalGarg超过 8 年前
Hi. I am a paper guy too. Until this thing hits the market wide, gets lots of positive reviews and has its costs reduced, does anyone have tips for managing lots of real paper? I feel like some organization tricks could help ease dealing with paper problems.<p>I use paper to sketch out thoughts and draw diagrams, and I don&#x27;t want unlimited papers. 5 pages a day is enough for me. I wish I could say I read books - I don&#x27;t. So I only have to manage papers on which I write things and refer to them quickly whenever possible. It works fine, but if someone has tips to help, please share. Thanks.
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shubhamjain超过 8 年前
This is huge! I don&#x27;t want to sound contemptuous but to me, paper feels like an inefficient artefact, just waiting to be disrupted by something that can incorporate the few remnant benefits which current range of E-Readers don&#x27;t cover. I have had Kindle since about an year and I can&#x27;t imagine ever going to paper books. I can instantly check words, read in the dark, or purchase whenever I like. The only thing I do miss is marking an important passage.<p>If notes, and highlighting work as advertised, will printed books have anything to offer other than aesthetic value?
akavel超过 8 年前
I understand the pen doesn&#x27;t attach in any way to the device? Only the Folio does attempt to help keeping them together?<p>The movies don&#x27;t seem to do a good job of demonstrating the advertised pressure and tilt sensitivity levels; I didn&#x27;t seem to notice any variation in line width.<p>It would be awesome if you could make Stylus Labs Write (<a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.styluslabs.com&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.styluslabs.com&#x2F;</a>) work on your device — or at least steal the ideas (esp. text moving) for your writing app.
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saboot超过 8 年前
Very much want one, if it materializes I will feel very jealous of today&#x27;s college students. This would have been a godsend, I would take notes in class, but organizing them was always a pain. I&#x27;ve lost several class notes I wish I kept.<p>Will hold out until actual products are given to the public, I&#x27;ve seen several pitches for this that haven&#x27;t materialized. Best of luck though, I will be waiting.
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amelius超过 8 年前
They need to solve the &quot;lag&quot; problem. Then I&#x27;ll consider buying one.
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IanDrake超过 8 年前
Looks really cool. Hope you guys nail it.<p>I&#x27;m hoping to see more and more e-ink offerings. For myself, I would like a 50&quot; curved e-ink monitor for work, black and white is fine. I know e-ink has terrible refresh rates, but I&#x27;m working with code and consoles 90% of the time. I could put web browsers and other stuff on another monitor.
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Nomentatus超过 8 年前
Believe it or not, this is a product that could save an incredible number of lives over time, by allowing us to spend more time outdoors: <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;sunlightinstitute.org&#x2F;research-studies&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;sunlightinstitute.org&#x2F;research-studies&#x2F;</a>
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d3ckard超过 8 年前
This is simply awesome! For a long time I have waited for tablets to actually incorporate the most natural way for making notes and generally working with paper. Not going to preorder (waiting 8 months is kind of too long for me), but probably going to buy just after it comes out.
fest超过 8 年前
Few questions to the team:<p>1) Is the screen latency numbers applicable to full-page updates also? I.e. scrolling a page of text.<p>2) How decent is the performance when dealing with large PDFs?<p>3) Is the digitizer pressure sensitive? Does it only work with a stylus? If not, how good is palm rejection?
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aamederen超过 8 年前
For me, the keypoint is the haptic feeling. As a mechanical keyboard enthusiast, for me the physical &quot;feeling&quot; of the things I use in daily life is a very important and underrated aspect.<p>Most of the time I find myself switching between my pencil&#x2F;notebook and google docs. The feel of the pencil on the notebook, the friction, the feeling of pressing on the notebook is a matter of satisfaction which we cannot find on tablets. On the other hand, the flexibility of digital stuff is a must.<p>With iPhone 7, I am satisfied with the haptic feeling of pressing a button. A similar achievement on a surface would be revolutionary.
jason_slack超过 8 年前
I am a total paper person. I have notebooks, upon notebooks and still use a paper planner. I could get excited about this once it starts shipping.<p>If you have an iPad Pro and an Apple Pencil, I recently started using Nebo (by MyScript) and it is working well for me. Handwriting, multiple notebooks, etc. You must have an Apple Pencil to use the app.<p>For now, none of this will replace my paper, but I am hopeful someday.<p>ReMarkable Team - I&#x27;d love to share how I use paper everyday in hopes some of my specifics make it into your product :-)
stcredzero超过 8 年前
This is a lot closer, but still too far off the mark. It&#x27;s still orders of magnitude inferior in terms of lag, convenience, and reliability, while being orders of magnitude more expensive.<p>Thinking about the iPhone briefly, I think the Steve Jobs formula is to wait until the device can be less than an order of magnitude more expensive, only half as convenient, and about as reliable as the thing it&#x27;s displacing. I&#x27;m also wondering if Microsoft did actually make the right long term decision with regards to its Surface line of hardware.
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nmca超过 8 年前
I really, really hope these guys are successful. Want one v. much
dantiberian超过 8 年前
Can you talk about the resolution on the device? On the video, it looked to be fairly low, probably lower than the Kindle PaperWhite which I have. I&#x27;d be really interested in this for reading PDF&#x27;s papers and PDF tech books, but only if the text isn&#x27;t too jaggy.
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boznz超过 8 年前
Awesome... But I will wait for them to be shipped and the first reviews to be in before I commit
moron4hire超过 8 年前
What is the bottleneck on eInk display refresh rate? Is it a fundamental limitation of the tech, or is the slow refresh rate of devices like the Kindle a power-saving feature?
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deckiedan超过 8 年前
I want one.<p>If anyone feels like supporting this project, but doesn&#x27;t think they&#x27;d actually use such a device, let me know, I&#x27;d happily accept one to test &#x2F; use &#x2F; etc.
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gotrythis超过 8 年前
I&#x27;ve been waiting for this with a microphone as a LiveScribe replacement. That mythical device would never leave my side. Please consider for version 2.
jryan49超过 8 年前
I really, really want something like this but I&#x27;m too scared to pre-order one until a bunch of reviews come out first.
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Tepix超过 8 年前
So, it looks great but<p>a) does it have a backlight<p>b) can I sync it with my own server instead of some 3rd party cloud service?
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ommunist超过 8 年前
Marker looks like a Pencil. I like the concept. Could be godsend for urban sketching.
wheelerwj超过 8 年前
i don&#x27;t understand why its a steal at almost $400. my tablet does all of this better. except for drawing, which is significantly not as awesome.<p>i also don&#x27;t know how adding a fourth device simplifies life at all.
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nerdponx超过 8 年前
So a tablet-sized smartboard?<p>Who is the target market for a product like this?
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Solinoid超过 8 年前
from the close up this looks like etch-a-sketch magnet technology.
swayvil超过 8 年前
Is this the NoteSlate guys again?