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Returning to Linux, not impressed

41 点作者 c3d超过 8 年前

15 条评论

alkz超过 8 年前
So, the author tries to run linux on apple hardware. then he goes on installing a GUI on a server, misunderstands the difference between rpm and yum, judges package managers by command length. Also mistakes GB for TB<p>This was a depressing read.
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binaryapparatus超过 8 年前
It is bit of a nonsense to pick one distro with specific UI and call it &#x27;Linux&#x27; in general.<p>I did similar thing with Arch recently, was long time user that switched to Mac six years ago. Then due to all the suspicious moves from Apple I installed Arch again and can&#x27;t be happier.<p>Linux is what you make of it, not what any distro thinks it should be. I am using xmonad and there is nothing silly looking on my screen.<p>If doing any usability tests, fedora&#x2F;red hat would be very low on my priorities list.
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jheriko超过 8 年前
i&#x27;m not sure why anyone would expect to be able to install linux&#x2F;windows&#x2F;anything on a mac without problems these days.<p>apple go to lengths to make it painful, and my experience of this is that they have gone to increasingly further lengths in increments over the last 5 years. you end up having to install some funky efi bootloader like refit or refind, even if you want to use bootcamp to install windows (i&#x27;ve never seen bootcamp work correctly on its own, although i have heard that it does work sometimes) - even then you end up having to hack things to get it to work correctly, or find that things like the trackpad or keyboard mysteriously don&#x27;t work properly if at all...<p>mounting your hdd into a vm in os x is often a necessity.<p>its a nightmare. apple don&#x27;t want you to do these things.
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lykron超过 8 年前
Everytime I read posts like this, I think I must be the lucky one. Fedora 25 on my laptop and desktop, and I&#x27;ve had no issues what so ever.<p>The author&#x27;s package manager complaints are unfounded. Complaining about yum, and yum being replaced by dnf? C&#x27;Mon, software evolves and sometimes you have to do a hard fork.<p>The complaints about NFS seem to be a backend issue, and not an issue with the client.
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INTPenis超过 8 年前
As a long time Linux user I am so proud that we&#x27;re comparing free Linux distros with commercial OS&#x27; like Mac OS X and Windows 10.
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fortytw2超过 8 年前
perhaps, &quot;returning to RHEL&quot; would be a much more accurate title. The author has totally understandable grips with RHEL that don&#x27;t necessarily reflect non-RHEL based linux distributions, nor are they problems that I have personally, despite running Linux (arch &#x2F; gentoo) on my daily drivers for years
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bjakubski超过 8 年前
It seems author consistently is using &quot;GB&quot; when he means &quot;TB&quot;. I don&#x27;t believe he&#x27;s running 4-bay NAS with 8GB of total disk space in 2016
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bmh_ca超过 8 年前
I just set up a linux desktop, first time in over a decade.<p>It was basically a nightmare. Ubuntu-based distros (including Elementary OS, which I had hoped to try) just wouldn&#x27;t find the network adapter owing to some obscure error that took hours to track down any information on.<p>Debian found the network adapter, but the USB devices wouldn&#x27;t work. I had to tweak the USB bios settings – sometimes it&#x27;d work with the keyboard, sometimes with the USB flash drive I was installing from, sometimes not at all. To make USB work reliably I had to set the BIOS to use USB 1.1. Oh boy. Slow, but it worked.<p>It took a lot of fighting to convince the computer to use the network settings I wanted it to. I basically spent as much time turning off whatever-the-hell it was trying to do (network-manager, I&#x27;m looking at you), and edit the settings directly.<p>It took about 11 hours to get the thing setup (including the time to download 4 distros). There were many other nuisance and time-consuming issues.<p>All that said, now that it&#x27;s setup it&#x27;ll probably run perfectly until it physically dies. The firewall setup, though reasonably complex, was straightforward with ufw. VPN was a bit of a nuisance, but predictable.<p>So it would seem that a lot of effort depends on choosing the right hardware, and I&#x27;m probably missing out on some of the newer distros abilities (not that debian is old, but Ubuntu &amp; Elementary OS clearly have had more resources put into the desktop-refinement).
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Mathnerd314超过 8 年前
Recent LWN article r.e. linux on mac: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;lwn.net&#x2F;Articles&#x2F;707616&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;lwn.net&#x2F;Articles&#x2F;707616&#x2F;</a>. In general it seems like a lot of pain for little gain.
xbmcuser超过 8 年前
If you want to run Linux get or build a PC that is compatible ie linux drivers have been released by the hardware manufacturer. Running Linux on a Mac where most drivers have been reverse engineered and then comparing it to OSX which was built for the hardware is a bit disengenous.
Gonzih超过 8 年前
So Ubuntu is not linux and Fedora is? Yes, running Linux on macbook is a hard job, but it&#x27;s doable. And all those minor issues have workarounds at the end. Older macbook you have higher chances that hardware was reverse engineered and kernel will support it better.
partycoder超过 8 年前
So you try one distribution and suddenly make a blanket statement over all the Linux ecosystem?<p>There are many more distros out there. I wonder if Ubuntu or ArchLinux might present these issues.
michaelmrose超过 8 年前
&quot;Red Hat provided me with a 15″ Mac Book Pro. Since this was one of their choices of machine for developers, I assumed it was well supported by Fedora&quot;<p>Why didn&#x27;t he google Mac Book Pro Linux?
formula1超过 8 年前
Great article. I remember when I tried toying around with fedora A while back, I thought that redhat would surely have a better product than debian. Its not just fedora. Ubuntu also has some frustrating issues in 16.04. I dont particularly want to install a nonfree operating system and I dont really imagine myself spending weeks trying to get an arch perfect. But sure do waste a lot of time in ubuntu :&#x2F;
pif超过 8 年前
I wonder: how greedy do you have to be to complain about something you choose freely and you got for free?
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