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Neurodiversity

74 点作者 itamarb超过 8 年前

12 条评论

astrange超过 8 年前
Everyone always wants to prevent cures for autism, but no one ever suggests inventing something that gives people autism.<p>(It was sort of a plot point in a Vernor Vinge novel. And Brave New World?)
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scandox超过 8 年前
I think we will start to limit our capability for diversity soon. Population control, anti-aging and direct genetic control will limit the opportunities for change. A case of our short term culture conflicting with our long term biology.<p>It&#x27;s a pity because we will be less likely to ever become something we can&#x27;t already imagine.
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scalio超过 8 年前
The author has a point. As long as we don&#x27;t understand how we&#x27;re built and functioning, modifying our code is a bad idea. Learning by doing is only applicable when the thing in question is expendable, which is definitely not the case with the human genome.
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cmrdporcupine超过 8 年前
I once used the term &quot;neurodiversity&quot; in a meeting with the vice principal and a resource teacher in the context of the behaviour of one of my children. The knife-eyes and suspicious looks were amazing.<p>Lots of _talk_ in the school system about acceptance and anti-bullying, but I think our society has never been so intolerant of the diversity it claims to covet.<p>(We switched schools and things are much better now.)
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duckingtest超过 8 年前
I don&#x27;t think it&#x27;s possible to edit autism out until it&#x27;s actually understood on a mechanical level. It&#x27;s likely that&#x27;s what&#x27;s now called &#x27;autism&#x27; in reality are several completely different things with vaguely similar symptoms.<p>Once it&#x27;s understood, I don&#x27;t think it&#x27;s going to disappear: positive forms of it (ie. milder Asperger&#x27;s) are going to become a niche option for parents, along with high iq edits of course. The &#x27;little Einstein&#x27; option on a menu.
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Pica_soO超过 8 年前
The actual question is- what is or was neuro-diversity useful for? Its a uncomfortable question, because the answers may insult conservative and progressive comfort zones.<p>The publicly condemned sadistic murderer, might be a perfectly adapted model-citizen for a society that wents savage every second generation.<p>The schizoid paranoid might be have been a model citizen in society ravaged by disease and bubonic plague, forming hate-filled sub-communitys, who would purge outsiders and self-quarantine.<p>The sexual-deviant might have been a model citizen in a society that had no real justice system, by being forced to uphold basic social contracts.<p>Autism would be a attempt of evolution to develop reliable automation and mass production in a medieval society in need of it.<p>All of this of course has to be &quot;triggered&quot; somehow, so there would be a feedback loop of mothers in the making, that create with the society they perceive, the counter measure of tomorrow. Have strife and stress? Next generation will have more psychopaths that see your genetic lottery ticket through that. Have a disease like the anti-baby-pill?<p>Lots of paranoid schizophrenic that want humanity to retreat into gated community.<p>Of course non of this is written in stone, it is always how nature turned out by supply and demand. What we make of this, is completely open to debate, but it has to be made upon a foundation of well researched knowledge, not upon a wishing well.
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sugarfactory超过 8 年前
Even though my intuition tells me that I should support neurodiversity my reasoning keeps failing to justify it without introducing &quot;diversity is unconditionally good&quot; as an axiom. I find it difficult to add it to the list of axioms I support because it seems like hypocrasy to endorse diversity considering the history of humans.<p>Almost every human has the ability to learn and speak language, which is unique to mankind. (What media often reports as an animal language is not a language in that it doesn&#x27;t have recursion -- the ability to handle it is, Chomsky and his supporters believe, unique to humans)<p>But shortly after language was born, in the very first stage of evolution of language, there must have been significant percentage of people who could not learn language. Where did they go? The answer is: they went extinct, failing to reproduce. And that&#x27;s why we all can learn and speak language. The ancestors of us are those who could speak it. By making it difficult to reproduce for those who couldn&#x27;t speak language, through the process of natural selection, we managed to build society where almost all of the members can speak it. Having autism in this era is analogous to being non-verbal in the early stage of humans.<p>With that said, endorsing diversity seems to be denial of evolution to me, denial of how we have come this far. It is by putting selection pressure on those who cannot adapt to society. And the sad reality is, you cannot stop it from happening. Autistic people will go extinct, even without the gene-editing technology, just like non-verbal people went extinct.
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robg超过 8 年前
I live with mental &quot;illness&quot;. With respect to the brain, the diversity is our story. The types and subtypes are challenges on how to live, past and beyond the diagnosis.
nrjdhsbsid超过 8 年前
I believe they&#x27;re right about neurodiversity overall but that doesn&#x27;t make a case for preventing gene editing so these people can better function in our society.<p>If you think about it, surely out of the counless gene variations possible in sexual reproduction some of them will most definitely be bad and even fatal.<p>In fact this happens all the time. The fact is that society is naturally tuned toward the average case and straying far in either direction usually causes a bad quality of life.<p>Humans have a tendency to mark everything as good or bad. Beautiful or ugly, smart or stupid. In reality everything is on a statistical distribution and for most traits you want to be in the middle. We shouldn&#x27;t be breeding humans to live 20 years or 200, as a social species it&#x27;s largely better to just correct the large outliers, even if it means losing our &quot;geniuses&quot;
wuhwgiuhguh超过 8 年前
It can be a-la-cart. We&#x27;ll find ways to make it possible to edit our genomes so that we can have:<p>* dark skin when we want it (for practical reasons or style)<p>* stripey zebra skin (just for this week, it&#x27;s a novelty)<p>* genetic tattoos (program your skin to make tattoos of your design)<p>* cuttlefish skin, glowing jellyfish skin (for parties)<p>* change eye&#x2F;hair color to match our clothes when going out<p>* change mental processing style for exams, getting jobs, learning languages (this week I&#x27;m autistic)
musesum超过 8 年前
TL;DR CRISPR will lead to fewer people on autism&#x2F;spectrum?<p>A friend mentioned his son is a bit &quot;Aspy&quot; - he said it with a bit of pride in his voice. Both father and son are brilliant coders.<p>Meanwhile, there&#x27;s Modafinil. Originally intended as a treatment for narcolepsy, others use it to improve concentration.<p>I wonder if neuro-configurability will lead to less or more diversity?
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WhitneyLand超过 8 年前
Like it or not Autistic people will be weeded out of society through fetal genetic testing or other interventions. It will be a net loss for humanity, but I don&#x27;t think there&#x27;s anyway to stop it.<p>It&#x27;s a paradox in that it&#x27;s nearly impossible to appreciate the value of neurodiversity until you build a close relationship with such a person.<p>My cousin Tony with Downs&#x27;s would have most likely been aborted decades ago if a test were available. What no one knew is that he would become so kind, good natured, and socialable it would bring incredible joy and love to literally hundreds of family members and friends. There won&#x27;t be too many like him from now on: <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.telegraph.co.uk&#x2F;news&#x2F;2016&#x2F;03&#x2F;22&#x2F;downs-syndrome-people-risk-extinction-at-the-hands-of-science-fe" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.telegraph.co.uk&#x2F;news&#x2F;2016&#x2F;03&#x2F;22&#x2F;downs-syndrome-pe...</a><p>The paradox is that most families with Autistic or Down&#x27;s children would tell you their lives have been greatly enriched. To outsiders it sounds like parents are in denial and blinded to their child&#x27;s predicament. But it&#x27;s not denial or sympathy, the value is beautiful, but invisible until you experience it.
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