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Established education providers v new contenders

140 点作者 dhruvp超过 8 年前

17 条评论

dhawalhs超过 8 年前
The small infographic in the Economist article is based on the data published by us (Class Central). You can find such statistics and analysis of the MOOC space in 2016 in my article - Monetization over Massiveness: A Review of MOOC Stats and Trends in 2016 [1]<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.class-central.com&#x2F;report&#x2F;moocs-stats-and-trends-2016&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.class-central.com&#x2F;report&#x2F;moocs-stats-and-trends-...</a>
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pauljaworski超过 8 年前
I&#x27;m very lucky to have started learning programming before these companies were figuring out their business models. I took the very first Udacity courses when they were completely free and was able to launch my career as a software engineer with the knowledge I gained from them. I was making barely enough money to survive at the time and had no idea if I actually wanted to make a career out of programming. If I had been forced to commit such a large amount of money at the time, I highly doubt I would have continued forward with the classes, and worse, they would have started to feel like work instead of fun, which was the issue I had with traditional college in the first place.<p>I sincerely hope that there continues to be sources of high quality course materials available without the risk and stress of payment attached so that other kids can have the opportunities I had when I was getting started.
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TACIXAT超过 8 年前
I am really disappointed by my Masters program online courses because of the quality of the low cost online courses available on the web. I pay 3000 dollars a course for a professor reading slides and forced discussion. On the other side I have paid 27$ for 70 hours of very high quality content.<p>Professors in universities are not primarily educators. Many are contract or research focused. Teaching is their secondary job. Online courses have instructors who are designing courses and highly invested in the course quality. I think we need some pure educators in universities, otherwise they&#x27;re going to get burnt when the online courses figure out accreditation.
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flor1s超过 8 年前
I&#x27;m not sure if we see a return of the MOOC or just growth in various alternative formats, because the term MOOC actually has a very specific meaning which is not always reached by the services&#x2F;companies mentioned in the article.<p>I would for example consider Pluralsight to be just &quot;Online Courses&quot;, and the price tag on Udacity&#x27;s nanodegrees makes me wonder whether we can consider them to be truly open (I attended university in The Netherlands where the cost of tuition for a year is lower than the cost of doing a $200&#x2F;month nanodegree at Udacity for one year).
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shokunin超过 8 年前
&quot;However it is done, the credentialling problem has to be solved. People are much more likely to invest in training if it confers a qualification that others will recognise.&quot;<p>Exactly. Immigration officials don&#x27;t care how many MOOCs you have taken.
codingdave超过 8 年前
Rather than trying to fit MOOCs into the current paradigm, society may just grow to embrace more ambiguity in education. Traditionally, it was very linear -- elementary --&gt; secondary --&gt; college --&gt; graduate, and at some point you jump into the working world. Now, you still jump to the working world, but continue flexibly on a variety of educational goals, with or without accreditation, and with courses of varying quality. But people care more about what you can accomplish that what papers you hold.<p>Some people will still choose the traditional 4 year college degree and the cycle of deconstruction, analysis and reconstruction that it teaches, while others will forego that for a more pragmatic approach of MOOCs and the working world. Either way should be accepted.
kxyvr超过 8 年前
One auxiliary thing to consider with MOOCs and higher education is how it changes the power balance between administration and faculty. Faculty members own their course notes and take them with them when they retire or move universities. My understanding with MOOCs, and certainly it could be incorrect, is that the administrator of the MOOC owns the course and material even if the faculty member leaves. This leaves a clear conflict of interest for the administration because if MOOCs do take off in a substantial way, they can not only reduce the number of faculty, but reduce their negotiating power as well. That would shift power at a university.<p>Now, this has nothing to do with the quality of MOOCs. Mostly, it&#x27;s just to say that I think there are conflicts to be mindful of as certain people and organizations either support or not support these courses.
samblr超过 8 年前
For people who are passionate about learning - MOOCs have come as a blessing. In 2016: I&#x27;ve seen a VP grade candidate finish Andrew NG&#x27;s Machine Learning Course with good grades and certification on linkedin. And a desktop support person in our old office has got a new job as jr programmer.
ismail超过 8 年前
I recently found out a &quot;verified certificate&quot; is not actually verified in any way by Coursera.<p>It seems they have dropped the verification step they used to have before completing assignments [1].<p>Coursera have initiated this change without even an announcement or any communication. I feel it is a bit disingenuous to claim the person completing the course has been verified when they have done none of that.<p>[1] Typing &amp; PhotoID - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;learner.coursera.help&#x2F;hc&#x2F;en-us&#x2F;articles&#x2F;209818953-Set-up-ID-verification" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;learner.coursera.help&#x2F;hc&#x2F;en-us&#x2F;articles&#x2F;209818953-Se...</a>
pyoung超过 8 年前
I am a huge fan of MOOCs. I strongly believe that these courses and this style of education will be one of the greatest by-products of the modern internet. I was a happy and eager participant in the &#x27;early days&#x27; (I took ~2 years off of work in 2013-2014 to re-charge, and took a number of online courses for fun), and here are some of my thoughts:<p>- Completion rate is a very poor metric to measure the &#x27;success&#x27; of the concept. I attempted more than a dozen courses, but only completed ~4-5 of them. But that doesn&#x27;t mean I didn&#x27;t learn anything. For a number of courses, I got a good way through the material (75%+) but got distracted&#x2F;side tracked (in one particular case, I was 90% of the way through a very challenging and interesting course[1] when a buddy and I decided to do a last minute trip to Mexico for some camping&#x2F;surfing. Needless to say, it was hard to find internet access out there). Of the courses I completed, at least two of those I had to attempt more than once. But regardless of the final outcome, I learned a ton. There were a few courses that I didn&#x27;t find interesting and walked away from, but for the most part, I learned something from every course, regardless of whether I completed it or not.<p>- By traditional metrics, I wasn&#x27;t the best student in college. There were a number of reasons for this, but a key reason was the inability to focus during lectures. I just hadn&#x27;t had enough life experience to learn how to optimize my ability to pay attention in class for multiple hours a day. In high school, the class sizes were small and the teachers were engaging enough to make it easy for me. In college (big public university) there were hundreds of students in each lecture and the professors were more interested in research than they were in lectures (with a few exceptions). I now know that I need the right balance of coffee, adequate sleep, and exercise in order to be able to sit through 4+ hours of very dry lectures, but it took years of hard won experience to find that balance. MOOCs are amazing because they let you optimize the &#x27;lecture&#x27; time to best suite your schedule and your &#x27;optimum time of focus&#x27;. And the forums were a great, asynchronous way to share knowledge between TA&#x27;s and students (as opposed to my college experience where you had 1-2 office hours per week, with a dozen+ students competing for attention). Had MOOC-like teaching material (video lectures, forums, online exercises) been available when I was in college, I have no doubt that I would have done way better.<p>- Considering how expensive traditional college is getting, I think a very cool and plausible alternative would be to allow students to spend a few years doing internships&#x2F;apprenticeships part time, and doing nano-degrees and MOOCs part time. A company could pay for the classes, as well as a stipend&#x2F;salary for the internship. I learned programming and statistics on the job (seems like it&#x27;s getting more rare these days for on the job training) but being able to take a step back and take more traditional classes on Coursera helped fill in some of the knowledge gaps that had been developing over the years. I feel like mixing both practical, in demand skills and theoretical knowledge at the same time could result in a much more engaging and deep understanding of the subject matter as opposed to the traditional way of all theory in college followed by all &#x27;hands-on&#x27; in the real world.<p>Anyways, a bit of rant. But it&#x27;s been a while since a MOOC post has made it to the front page of HN, and it&#x27;s a holiday weekend!<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.coursera.org&#x2F;learn&#x2F;programming-languages" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.coursera.org&#x2F;learn&#x2F;programming-languages</a> Back when I took this, it was just a single course. Looks like they broke it up into 3 parts. Would have been nice to have that option when I took it!
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posterboy超过 8 年前
The title is disingenuous, because the &quot;providers&quot; are the same universities &quot;providing&quot; traditional professors and infrastructure. What&#x27;s new is that top universities can compete at a larger scale.<p>Still, if they can provide further, then because they are standing on the shoulders of giants, so it&#x27;s not really a competition if the gigantic amount of competing unis has any relevance.
sidusknight超过 8 年前
Anyone have any MOOC recommendations?
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jupp0r超过 8 年前
I found the whole special report about lifelong learning to be very well researched. Sorry for the paywall link. <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.economist.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;special-report&#x2F;21714169-technological-change-demands-stronger-and-more-continuous-connections-between-education" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.economist.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;special-report&#x2F;21714169-techno...</a>
misterbishop超过 8 年前
MOOCs are the McDonalds-ification of education. It&#x27;s disgusting honestly. Western Capitalism is utterly failing to provide a decent, affordable secondary education even to its relatively privileged middle class, so instead they try to convince us that watching a few videos is a decent substitute.<p>We know how capital views education, just get a service job and watch the horrific training videos. That&#x27;s what Khan Academy is for aspiring skilled laborers.<p>Note that the conclusion is &quot;the credentialling problem has to be solved&quot;. Credentials are an attempt to commodify learning. So instead of pesky B.S.&#x27;s and M.A.&#x27;s you&#x27;ll get some print-at-home Happy Meal prize. No thanks.<p>According to The Atlantic, it would cost $62B&#x2F;year to make state colleges tuition free. Last month it was revealed that the Pentagon covered up a report showing how they failed to save $125B over 5 years simply in bureaucratic waste. So while The Economist is telling us how watching videos online is a reasonable alternative to a university education, the kind of funding that could revolutionize American higher education is basically pocket change to the War-makers.<p>The rush to online education is just one more way Capitalism is hollowing out the United States.<p><a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theatlantic.com&#x2F;business&#x2F;archive&#x2F;2014&#x2F;01&#x2F;heres-exactly-how-much-the-government-would-have-to-spend-to-make-public-college-tuition-free&#x2F;282803&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theatlantic.com&#x2F;business&#x2F;archive&#x2F;2014&#x2F;01&#x2F;heres-ex...</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.washingtonpost.com&#x2F;investigations&#x2F;pentagon-buries-evidence-of-125-billion-in-bureaucratic-waste&#x2F;2016&#x2F;12&#x2F;05&#x2F;e0668c76-9af6-11e6-a0ed-ab0774c1eaa5_story.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.washingtonpost.com&#x2F;investigations&#x2F;pentagon-burie...</a>
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sherlockgopher超过 8 年前
I read yesterday that MOOC are on an all time low with regard to subscription and the number of users finishing it, on account of them charging $$ and removing free certifications
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TwoBit超过 8 年前
I wish the author identified what MOOC means.
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mproud超过 8 年前
Could anyone provide a summary? tr;cr (Too restrictive; couldn’t read)
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